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[AlpineFresco]

I'll say similarly to Avery and NRJ.
On many things I'm easy-going, I like some differences because that's where I can talk with people, understand other opinions better.
But yeah, if your different opinion is, say, pro-Brexit, pro-Trump, anti-LGBTQ, you're causing needless, malicious damage and I'm not engaging with you. I'm not engaging with people who get chummy with people like that.

 

[Fugu_B]

Maybe we need a ‘Mind Bleach’ thread

 

[Suz_anne]

10.08.19

How good are you at relating to someone you completely disagree with? Can you understand an opposite point of view even if you don't agree?

I'm usually interested to hear an opposing viewpoint because I want to understand that perspective even if I disagree. Where I get frustrated is when the other person cannot articulate the rationale behind their viewpoint.

And I get very judgey about some of those opposing viewpoints - especially when our moral compasses don't align.

 

[Mei5ter]

Are you two trying to send me to the hospital?? I trip over nothing at all in normal shoes or barefoot...put me in stilettos and I’m like a baby giraffe just learning to walk

Well, in that case, and purely for your own safety, how about you wear them lying down?

 

[PrettyLilPussy19]

10.08.19

How good are you at relating to someone you completely disagree with? Can you understand an opposite point of view even if you don't agree?

I'm really good at it.

1. I find the way the people think and the reasons the believe what they do interesting.

2. I only benefit from hearing opposing views. It helps my opinions become nuanced and I'm better able to defend my position without just saying "you're an idiot and I cant even deal with you."

3. I don't just surround myself with people who think like I do. God help us, there aren't many like me.

4. I find just flatly disagreeing with people closes ears and gets nothing accomplished.

 

[BadAmy]

All right then. Yes, I try to see others opinions and if it is someone with whom I hold in high regard, then their opinion has merit. Regardless of whether I agree with it or not. I imagine that if this individual has gained my respect in other ways, then why would i think differently of them should they declare something that I am not quite on board with. Furthermore, if i respect them, i would gracefully state my position without discounting theirs. Perhaps a civil conversation would begin. I have been know to change my position once all the facts have been laid out before me. And i will also admit that some of my ideas are a tad off kilter and I would never refuse a drop of knowledge from a respectable person.


Now...where is my sammich?
*digs through her lunchbox...got it!)
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Pay no attention to the broken nose.

That's what happens when i don't offer empathy.

 

[AveryElle]

Except, to me, there are times when someone is flatly wrong. I can definitely SEE why someone or a system is the way it is, but what’s happening today, at this point - I just can’t give people that don’t speak out a second look. Opinions on restaurants or movies are a lot different. I’ve mentioned bubbles before and I’m happy to be in my bubble now because those OUTSIDE it are literally silent when someone walks into my house of worship and kills people just for their beliefs. Or they say nothing when the head of our country brags about treason, and the rule of law - which so many continue to die for - goes down the toilet. I just can’t abide by tolerance for that - and I even tried. I don’t see what the point is.
Holla at those optimists that do!

 

[AveryElle]

I get along great with people from vastly different political perspectives. I don’t give a shit what they believe so long as they’re decent humans at the end of the day. I’ll definitely mock them, but I don’t think they’re evil. I can understand their point of view but it doesn’t mean I agree with them, though.

Maybe this is my problem. I don’t see someone as being OK with Trump or McConnell as having the possibility of decency anymore. Maybe until Feb 2 2017. But now? No.

 

[Apisto42]

I'm thinking of that famous quote by Bertrand Russell about stupid people being so sure of themselves and smart people being so full of doubt.

Similar to “only sane people ask if they are crazy.”

 

[Mei5ter]

I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world that do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that.

- Tom Lehrer.

 

[PrettyLilPussy19]

I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world that do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that.

- Tom Lehrer.

Lol! That's perfect.

 

[dashie33]

I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world that do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that.

- Tom Lehrer.

"If more people just loved each other, the world would be a better place."

 

[AveryElle]

I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world that do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that.

- Tom Lehrer.

Aka hell is other people

 

[Apisto42]

“Fuck the fucking fuckers.”

George

 

[LurkingLazarus]

Well, in that case, and purely for your own safety, how about you wear them lying down?

What he said.

I'm trying to be more tolerant even of those who are simply misinformed...but I'm struggling because so much of it is willful.

 

[AlwaysFara]

10.08.19

How good are you at relating to someone you completely disagree with? Can you understand an opposite point of view even if you don't agree?

Completely?
Not well. I’m too old for that shit. If they have other redeeming qualities I may be friendly, and agree to disagree, but something base? Nope. I’m not going to be in a meaningful relationship with someone who likes ketchup.

No. I don’t understand a lot of opposing viewpoints, because I’m mostly right.
Except for Oxford Commas. Faux pas.

 

[lovetopleasewomen]

Nope. I’m not going to be in a meaningful relationship with someone who likes ketchup.

Ah well. Finished before we even started.

 

[AlwaysFara]

Ah well. Finished before we even started.

If ketchup is a euphemism, we can talk.

 

[Apisto42]

Unless you are a moderate and talking with another moderate, discussing politics is either mutual masturbation or an exercise in futility.

Most other things I’m perfectly willing to listen and discuss. It is interesting to hear a different viewpoint and how/why that person has developed a standpoint. Makes me learn more and even research things that I thought were correct to either verify or correct my view.

Edit: ketchup is only suitable for French fries when you don’t have something better and the fry is below standard.

 

[LostGirlTink]

Maybe this is my problem. I don’t see someone as being OK with Trump or McConnell as having the possibility of decency anymore. Maybe until Feb 2 2017. But now? No.

Agreed 100%. I never had a problem with people having different political opinions until this administration.
Basically if your "political views" mean that you feel like you get to discriminate against people I love or care about this isn't about politics, it's about decency.

As for the question, yes, I can understand someones viewpoint and I'm often willing to listen, but as for the example above, the political standing... I've found eventually every single one has been unable to give me a reason for supporting trump that wasn't based in the hatred of a vulnerable population. It may have taken a while for it to show up... but it's there.

 

[LostGirlTink]

Edit: ketchup is only suitable for French fries when you don’t have something better and the fry is below standard.

Like homemade bourbon bbq sauce.

 

[Mei5ter]

I tested your theory...for safety of course...it yielded decent results

Well, I'm delighted that you've found a way to wear heels safely.

I suppose there would still be the ultimate safety precaution of tying you to the bed so you can't fall off, but it's not my place to suggest such a thing...

 

[LurkingLazarus]

**hides all the rope, and ties, and belts in the house**

You forgot socks and stockings.

They work too, if tied properly, miss.

Trust me.

 

[Fugu_B]

You forgot socks and stockings.

They work too, if tied properly, miss.

Trust me.

And drape sashes, and shoelaces, and......

 

[BadAmy]

And drape sashes, and shoelaces, and......

there is still ducttape.
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