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Hey, I don’t tell you how to compose your posts, you do the same for me please. I set a certain context with your post for my comments. ‘Nuff said.
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Hey, I don’t tell you how to compose your posts, you do the same for me please. I set a certain context with your post for my comments. ‘Nuff said.
I’ll be direct:
Hamas (Iran) are the bad guys - just like Russia is the bad guy; full stop.
If Israel had stormed into Gaza on 10/7 and raped, tortured, murdered, and kidnapped a bunch of innocent Palestinians my position would be the polar opposite of what it currently is.
Does that ^ help???
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I’ll be direct right back to you…
Hamas ≠ Palestinians full stop
The more that you keep forgetting (or purposely omitting) that fact, the more it makes you look like the “good people on both sides” orange guy.
You mean Hezbollah. Hamas has nothing to do with Iran because Hamas is Sunni, not Shi'a. Same reason Iran never had anything to do with ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or the Muslim Brotherhood. This is like blaming the Vatican for Protestant terrorism.
The Palestinians, etc, should have risen up against Hamas, etc, by now…
Sans that ^ the Israelis are having to deal with Hamas, etc.
But I'm not wrong. These sectarian divisions might seem silly to infidels, but to Muslims, they matter. That's why Iran and Saudi Arabia are backing different factions in Yemen. No Jews involved in THAT war.
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You are so right! Slaves should have stood up to their masters and all of those guests of every concentration camp should have got up and just left, correct?
If you find that last statement ludicrous, then guess what I think about your last post?
You are so right! Slaves should have stood up to their masters and all of those guests of every concentration camp should have got up and just left, correct?
If you find that last statement ludicrous, then guess what I think about your last post?
My comment was comprehensive.
Israel is in the process of freeing the Palestinian “slaves” from their Hamas masters, while simultaneously eliminating the terrorist threat to Israel posed by Hamas.
Would it have been better if Israel’s actions hadn’t been necessary??? Yes, but this is the reality we live in.
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Their masters are Israeli, not Hamas.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
So ISRAEL is the hero here, yes? They’re coming in like a knight on a white horse (or maybe camel is more apropos) to save the poor people of Palestine. They just use airstrikes to kill Hamas—and only Hamas, yes?
Gee, I sure hope that Israel is okay with the US government. I hope they don’t start lobbing missiles at us because they think we’re slaves and want to save us.
What a weird take on this, but hey you do you I guess.
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If someone removed America from their land the way Israel did the Palestinians we'd be nuking their asses until they glowed in the dark.
What's right and wrong depends on how powerful you are.
What's right and wrong depends on how powerful you are.
Are you fucking kidding me?
So ISRAEL is the hero here, yes? They’re coming in like a knight on a white horse (or maybe camel is more apropos) to save the poor people of Palestine. They just use airstrikes to kill Hamas—and only Hamas, yes?
Gee, I sure hope that Israel is okay with the US government. I hope they don’t start lobbing missiles at us because they think we’re slaves and want to save us.
What a weird take on this, but hey you do you I guess.
Um, YOU are the one who equated the Palestinians to “slaves” who were / are in no position to rise up against their masters (Hamas).
And, yes, I don’t see many good options for resolving the crisis.
Israel has chosen a course of action that is not wholly unreasonable considering the existential threat they are facing.
Hamas refusing to cede their smuggling corridor with Egypt and their demand that they remain in power after 10/7 made any long term ceasefire deal impossible, imho.
Hamas should have unconditionally surrendered and released the hostages after it became apparent that Israel was going to prosecute total war on Gaza, and the leaders and participants of the 10/7 attack should have turned themselves over to international authorities for trial.
Hamas employed the terrorist gambit of hostage taking and demand making, and Israel called their bluff. (Hamas also tried / is trying to foment a global Jihad - with limited success - and is simultaneously trying to get arms shipments to Israel cut off) At some point (long ago), Hamas should have thrown in their hand to spare the Palestinians - but they didn’t.
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The U.S. is sending our most advanced anti-missile system to Israel, along with 100 troops, in advance of Israel’s inevitable retaliation on Iran for Iran’s massive ballistic missile attack. The system will also help protect northern Israel from Hezbollah rockets and missiles. Iran now faces the very real prospect of the U.S. becoming actively involved in the conflict, after a year of Iran and their proxies terrorizing the region.
I wish it weren’t so, but this is the reality we are living in. Deterrence only works if severe consequences are levied in response to aggressive behavior, like 10/7, etc.
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You keep talking about Israel as if they are a monolith of opinion, rather than considering the ways that Netanyahu has cut off diplomatic options for "resolving the crisis".
Netanyahu undermined Obama's effort to control the development of nukes in Iran. This was dumb, because if you extrapolate the "unresolvable" and increasingly entrenched conflict to a final stage, it involves nuclear warfare.
Netanyahu messed in American politics to steer his conflict away from diplomatic resolutions and toward military options. He played his literal Trump card against the Democrats. As a result, Obama's nuclear monitoring deal with Iran was abandoned during the Trump administration.
Netanyahu totally blew off Biden when safe camps were desperately needed in southern Gaza for war refugees who had just been driven from the north. If you don't want to be equated with a terrorist regime like Hamas, why should you be allowed to behave like one during a war? Blocking humanitarian aid during a war sugnificantly reduces options for "resolving the crisis".
Israel has a leadership problem that is foreclosing available options. You are trying to make this a black-and-white situation where people who criticize Netanyahu's decisions are vilified as being anti-Israel..
It's not that simple, and if Netanyahu continues to say "Fuck you" to the allies who are supplying him with weapons, Israel will have even fewer options for "resolving the crisis".
Not from Hamas, they're not. Israel has NEVER faced any existential threat since the Yom Kippur War.
I wonder how people will look back on this after another century has gone by.
Think about the crisis in the Balkans in 1914 that set off the first World War (which led, indirectly, to the second). If people had known then what the result of their actions would be if they set off on the course of total war, would they have behaved differently?
Also, by the way, the nation that suffered the worst casualties (as a percentage of population) in World War I was Serbia, and it was Serbian terrorists who started the whole conflagration in the first place. Some estimates have more than a quarter of the population dying.
Think about the crisis in the Balkans in 1914 that set off the first World War (which led, indirectly, to the second). If people had known then what the result of their actions would be if they set off on the course of total war, would they have behaved differently?
Also, by the way, the nation that suffered the worst casualties (as a percentage of population) in World War I was Serbia, and it was Serbian terrorists who started the whole conflagration in the first place. Some estimates have more than a quarter of the population dying.
I do not quibble over whether the threats Israel faces are cumulatively existential in nature. I KNOW they face threats, and my points have nothing to do with that issue.
My arguments are strictly based on the most effective ways to deal with threats to Israel, and Netanyahu has been cutting off options. He needs to be fired by the Israeli electorate.
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Nethanyahu’s in the unsavoury position of being pretty damn sure that an end to this current conflict will bring forward the end of his leadership. The incentive to stop isn’t really there, nor is the US administration in a political position at the moment to lean too hard on him to create the incentive for him.
The THAAD missile deployment must indicate some sort of politicking going on though.
The THAAD missile deployment must indicate some sort of politicking going on though.
The situation may change after the U.S. election if Harris is elected. A lot of people here are fed up with Netanyahu's arrogance. Harris can't address this now, but would have pressure to address it if elected.
If Trump is elected, Netanyahu would have free reign to conduct his wars any way he desires.
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False equivalence! Ukrainians didn’t attack Russian citizens and then suffer retaliation from Russia.Bullshit. Ukraine is not bombing schools, homes, hospitals and the like and starving out blockaded and occupied Russians.
Any time that the word “genocide” is used against Israel it’s all OMG YOU ANTI-SEMITES YOU ALL HATE ISRAEL!!, but here you can use it like you’re talking about the weather. Funny that.
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Really? No kidding!
I was trying (and failing as far as you’re concerned) to make a point. Dumbass
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So, you feel that Russian unprovoked attacks on civilian targets that if Ukrainians responded in kind they'd be wrong. You can't have it both ways.Really? No kidding!
I was trying (and failing as far as you’re concerned) to make a point. Dumbass
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Leave it to you to completely miss a point. Moron.
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