Republican Leadership Is A Threat To America

[Bn2f]

Ah, personal insults. That usually means you have no legitimate arguments left.

I’m mad at myself really. Got fooled that your rationality on abortion would cross over. My bad. That’s on me.

 

[RandyRebecca]

You don't get it. The irony of you calling me brainwashed is... beyond.

Are you seriously denying the power of lobbies like AIPAC and the ADL over American politics? The power of those lobbies is allowing Netanyahu, on a personal crusade to keep himself in power and out of prison in Israel, to start a regionwide war in the Middle East. Is the tail wagging the dog?

 

[adrina]

Are you seriously denying the power of lobbies like AIPAC and the ADL over American politics? The power of those lobbies is allowing Netanyahu, on a personal crusade to keep himself in power and out of prison in Israel, to start a regionwide war in the Middle East. Is the tail wagging the dog?

I'm seriously telling you that the power of AIPAC and ADL will be increased under Trump. That Kushner has already been making plans to snap up the land for development. Trump will increase the American presence in Israel and he will support the extermination of the Palestinian people in totality.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I’m mad at myself really. Got fooled that your rationality on abortion would cross over. My bad. That’s on me.

What the hell are you talking about? You seriously think that I'd back imperialist wars and bailing out Wall Street like the Democrats do, while millions of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, just because I'm pro-choice on abortion?

 

[adrina]

What the hell are you talking about? You seriously think that I'd back imperialist wars and bailing out Wall Street like the Democrats do, while millions of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, just because I'm pro-choice on abortion?

You are. You are supporting Putin in his imperialist goals.

Don't get on your high horse while you're shilling for Putin's imperialist aspirations.

Fucksakes.

You are demonstrating that you support Putin more than your own damn country.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I'm seriously telling you that the power of AIPAC and ADL will be increased under Trump.

The last US president to seriously challenge them was Bush Sr. who failed to get a second presidential term.

That Kushner has already been making plans to snap up the land for development. Trump will increase the American presence in Israel and he will support the extermination of the Palestinian people in totality.

And? You're just telling me what I already know, and you're acting as if I voted for Trump when I didn't.

Biden is regularly saying "I am a Zionist" in public, while Netanyahu does what he wants and gets what he wants from America, because of the power of Zionist lobbies in the US who keep American politicians in a pro-Israel line, or else. Point this out, and Democrats say "Oh, Russia".

 

[adrina]

The last US president to seriously challenge them was Bush Sr. who failed to get a second presidential term.

Are you drunk? You're arguing in circles.

So you are bitching because AIPAC and ADL have an effect on policy, are saying Harris will be worse, but Trump has already said plainly what he will do to support Israel - which is more than Harris and Biden have done.

But Trump is better than Harris... fucking what?

And? You're just telling me what I already know, and you're acting as if I voted for Trump when I didn't.

Biden is regularly saying "I am a Zionist" in public, while Netanyahu does what he wants and gets what he wants from America, because of the power of Zionist lobbies in the US who keep American politicians in a pro-Israel line, or else.

I'm telling you that you're full of shit.

Why would you say Trump will be better than Harris when he has plainly stated and demonstrated otherwise?

Why are you arguing in circles?

 

[RandyRebecca]

You are. You are supporting Putin in his imperialist goals.

No, I'm not. I'm not a capitalist.

You are demonstrating that you support Putin more than your own damn country.

Absolute nonsense. And which America are you talking about? Wall Street and Silicon Valley? I'm against that America totally.

 

[adrina]

No, I'm not. I'm not a capitalist.


Absolute nonsense. And which America are you talking about? Wall Street and Silicon Valley? I'm against that America totally.

Yes you are.

You've already stated that you think Harris will be worse for Israel and that you think they should just capitulate to Putin with Ukraine. That you think Trump will do that.

You support Russia's imperialistic goals - that is what Russia is trying in the Ukraine and you want to let them.

You don't get to pull this "fucking imperialistic America sucks" but "Russia's imperialism with Ukraine should get a pass" bullshit.

Why are you supporting Putin over America?

 

[RandyRebecca]

I'm telling you that you're full of shit.

Why would you say Trump will be better than Harris when he has plainly stated and demonstrated otherwise?

Why are you arguing in circles?

Let's talk about Ukraine. I think even you would agree that Trump is more likely than Harris to stop that war, rather than continue throwing our taxes at it when the chances of Russia leaving the land that they occupy in Ukraine is near zero. Am I right? Not that I trust Trump on anything, because he has no serious principles beyond his own brand.

 

[adrina]

Let's talk about Ukraine. I think even you would agree that Trump is more likely than Harris to stop that war, rather than continue throwing our taxes at it when the chances of Russia leaving the land that they occupy in Ukraine is near zero. Am I right? Not that I trust Trump on anything, because he has no serious principles beyond his own brand.

Trump won't stop the war. Trump will pull support and let Russia run roughshod.

Ukraine is a cheap investment for the goal.

No you are wrong.

Again, why do you think Russia should be allowed to roll over Ukraine (and then any others in the area) for their imperialistic goals?

You are being a hypocrite if you don't recognize what Putin is doing. But then from what I see you are supporting Russia and Putin over your own country.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yes you are.

You've already stated that you think Harris will be worse for Israel and that you think they should just capitulate to Putin with Ukraine. That you think Trump will do that.

I didn't say that about Israel at all. I said that Trump is more likely to stop the war in Ukraine, and of throwing our taxes down a black hole.

You support Russia's imperialistic goals - that is what Russia is trying in the Ukraine and you want to let them.

I oppose imperialism, period. The US was a big force behind the Euromaidan coup in 2014 that overthrew the elected government of Ukraine, all because the president chose a trade deal with Russia over a trade deal with the EU.

Why are you supporting Putin over America?

I'm not.

 

[adrina]

I didn't say that about Israel at all. I said that Trump is more likely to stop the war in Ukraine, and of throwing our taxes down a black hole.

By capitulating to Russia.

Allowing Russia to engage in imperialism.

That's a problem, is it not? Or is it just a problem for America? Which by the way, which country is America's military actively engaged in trying to take over?

I oppose imperialism, period. The US was a big force behind the Euromaidan coup in 2014 that overthrew the elected government of Ukraine, all because the president chose a trade deal with Russia over a trade deal with the EU.


I'm not.

No you don't. You just oppose America. You support Russian imperialism.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Trump won't stop the war. Trump will pull support and let Russia run roughshod.

He's not likely to just keep sending money for nothing in return. It's not his style. If he were to fund Ukraine's war, he'd want something in return.

No you are wrong.

Again, why do you think Russia should be allowed to roll over Ukraine (and then any others in the area) for their imperialistic goals?

I want the pointless slaughter in Ukraine stopped. It's disgusting. There are Americans politicians thinking "At least we aren't risking American lives in this", and are using Ukrainian lives instead. They foster illusions that Ukraine can beat Russia militarily. It's WW1 style slaughter.

You are being a hypocrite if you don't recognize what Putin is doing.

Putin would have preferred a peace deal with Ukraine. You know, like the Minsk Accords that German Chancellor Angela Merkel said was just to buy time for Ukraine to rearm, and the peace deal between Russia and Ukraine that had been agreed in April 2022, and which was wrecked by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who told Zelensky not to sign anything with Russia and said "Let's just fight", no doubt acting on Biden's orders. What Johnson did that day has cost a frightening number of lives, and for what? How do YOU justify those lose of lives?

An irony is that Ukraine in April 2022 would have had all their 2013 territory apart from the Donbass and Crimea. But today, they have lost nearly all the Black Sea coast land as well. That is terrible for Ukraine, not good for them.

But then from what I see you are supporting Russia and Putin over your own country.

No. Just because you keep saying the same thing over and over and over again, it doesn't change the fact that it is a false statement.

 

[adrina]

He's not likely to just keep sending money for nothing in return. It's not his style. If he were to fund Ukraine's war, he'd want something in return.

Yes he will. As the return will be massive to the Trump estate in the form of the Kushner investments.

Are you really that dense?

I want the pointless slaughter in Ukraine stopped. It's disgusting. There are Americans politicians thinking "At least we aren't risking American lives in this", and are using Ukrainian lives instead. They foster illusions that Ukraine can beat Russia militarily. It's WW1 style slaughter.

No you don't. You wan't to have Ukraine ceded to Russia.

The Ukrainians are fighting, they don't want to capitulate to Russia.

Why do you support Russia's invasion of them?

Putin would have preferred a peace deal with Ukraine. You know, like the Minsk Accords that German Chancellor Angela Merkel said was just to buy time for Ukraine to rearm, and the peace deal between Russia and Ukraine that had been agreed in April 2022, and which was wrecked by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who told Zelensky not to sign anything with Russia and said "Let's just fight", no doubt acting on Biden's orders. What Johnson did that day has cost a frightening number of lives, and for what? How do YOU justify those lose of lives?

Putin engages, disengages and re-engages in wars of convenience to fuck with the world. He wants Ukraine.

And you support Russia taking it. You support Russia's imperialistic goals.

Again, why do you think the Ukrainians - who do not want to - should capitulate to Russia?

No. Just because you keep saying the same thing over and over and over again, it doesn't change the fact that it is a false statement.

Then you'll have to explain why Russian imperialism is okay while American imperialism (which isn't happening) isn't okay.

 

[RandyRebecca]

That's a problem, is it not? Or is it just a problem for America? Which by the way, which country is America's military actively engaged in trying to take over?

As opposed to their proxies, you mean? Ukraine are doing things militarily that wouldn't be possible without direct US military help. That, in turn, makes America a target as far as Russia are concerned. A few weeks back, when Zelensky was demanding weapons that would be launched deep into Russian territory, and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer was all for it, Putin apparently called a back channel to the CIA and said "If weapons are launched deep into Russian territory, we will consider ourselves to be in a state of war with NATO". That concentrated even the minds of the Biden administration. That was close to a NUCLEAR war, basically the end of the world as we know it.

And if there is nuclear war, do the leaders think that they can just go into a nuclear bunker and emerge as rulers in the future?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Then you'll have to explain why Russian imperialism is okay while American imperialism (which isn't happening) isn't okay.

Because imperialism is capitalist. Lenin explained that imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism in his 1916 book on the matter.

If Putin was a figure in the Russian Civil War, he would probably be Denikin, and Zelensky would be Petliura. Both were enemies of Lenin.

 

[adrina]

As opposed to their proxies, you mean? Ukraine are doing things militarily that wouldn't be possible without direct US military help. That, in turn, makes America a target as far as Russia are concerned. A few weeks back, when Zelensky was demanding weapons that would be launched deep into Russian territory, and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer was all for it, Putin apparently called a back channel to the CIA and said "If weapons are launched deep into Russian territory, we will consider ourselves to be in a state of war with NATO". That concentrated even the minds of the Biden administration. That was close to a NUCLEAR war, basically the end of the world as we know it.

Yes, Ukraine is getting support. That is how it works when countries are trying to keep hostile foreign imperialists from expanding their territory by force and without consent from the people they are invading.

Why do you support Putin's imperialism?

And if there is nuclear war, do the leaders think that they can just go into a nuclear bunker and emerge as rulers in the future?

If there is a nuclear war, you will have helped it by supporting Putin's hostile takeover. You think he'll stop there? You think it will be enough? Just appease Putin and the big bad man won't hurt you?

Fucking for real?

 

[adrina]

Because imperialism is capitalist. Lenin explained that imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism in his 1916 book on the matter.

Putin is committing hostile takeovers of other countries by force. You want to let him.

You can get crazy on semantics, doesn't matter.

You still support it. You want to roll over and just let Putin do whatever the hell he wants.

 

[Bn2f]

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Kudos to you for dealing with this as well as the political depression known as RandyRebecca.

 

[adrina]

Kudos to you for dealing with this as well as the political depression known as RandyRebecca.

Pretty much stuck inside all day.

Blah.

 

[Lazaran]

Putin is committing hostile takeovers of other countries by force. You want to let him.

You can get crazy on semantics, doesn't matter.

You still support it. You want to roll over and just let Putin do whatever the hell he wants.

Not to mention: Putin had a hand in supporting / encouraging the 10/7 Hamas attack to draw U.S. attention / resources away from Ukraine.

One can only wonder what promises Putin made to the leaders of Hamas who are / were living it up in Qatar??? What promises did Putin make to Iran???

 

[butters]

GOP Senate hopeful who accused Dems of fostering 'emboldened Russia' linked to Russian funds

every accusation is a confession

The Guardian reported that U.S. Department of Labor 5500 forms show Bridgewater held $415.2 million in Russian sovereign bonds in 2017, $234.9 million in 2018, $36.5 million in 2019, $80.5 million in 2020 and $119.8 million in 2021. McCormick, who is a veteran of the first Gulf War, has positioned himself as a foreign policy hawk, accusing President Joe Biden of a "botched withdrawal from Afghanistan" and suggesting his foreign policy agenda was responsible for an "emboldened Russia waging war on Ukraine."

While the Republican Senate hopeful offloaded his firm's Russian debt prior to the Russian military's incursion across Ukrainian borders in 2022, he notably managed Russian debt many years after its illegal invasion of Crimea in 2014, which resulted in Russia getting booted from the G8 (now G7). After his annexation of Crimea, Putin also encouraged pro-Russian separatists in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine — territory he has since illegally recognized as Russian.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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[IrezumiKiss]

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