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[Lazaran]

Ok, then after that war ended, what did the map look like then and compare it to now—please.

A fuckton of Arab / Muslim aggression toward Israel occurred between 1967 and now that resulted in shifting borders / areas under Israeli control.

Did some Israeli’s exploit the situation??? Who really knows.

There is a fine line between Israelis’ establishing legitimate security outposts and expanding illegal settlements, imho. Security outposts / bases ALWAYS need / inspire support / dependent communities.

I go back to the initial Arab / Muslim aggression against the nascent Jewish state of Israel, because that aggression set in motion all that followed. And Israel HAS, over the decades, made good faith gestures of peace and reconciliation, only to be betrayed by the Arabs / Muslims in the region.

Expecting to go back to the 1967 borders after everything that has happened in the succeeding decades is ridiculous, imho. The Arabs / Muslims have made that impossible with their intractable “From the river to the sea” mandate.

 

[ll74]

Tell us how you can tell one from another

Lol

JFC

 

[coati]

How about the kidnappings in Nigeria by Boko Haram fighters, the women disappearing in Mexico by the drug cartels , the Sudanese civil war, the Slaughter of the Ukrainians by Russia, For starters?
This are current conflicts that get little attention by the media and protests.

People protesting about Gaza is state sponsored and organized by Iran they even have a still alive ( for now) commander in charge of it.

All of that senseless brutality HAS gotten attention. Huge struggles have taken place in the U.S. Congress over funding for Ukraine's defense. A new female President was just elected in Mexico, with an agenda that includes continuing collaboration with the USA to prosecute leaders of the drug cartels. Nigeria, the Sudan, and Gaza are so war torn that basic necessities can't even be delivered to citizens living transiently in tents.

What are you saying, that excesses by Netanyahu and the IDF should be overlooked because the other conflicts are not the focus of attention right now? The USA is not funding Russia, Boko Haram, and Mexican drug cartels.

However, we are funding and supplying weapons to the IDF. That fact is indeed being considered right now by protesters in the context of the utter destruction and lack of assistance for the war refugees there.

Maybe if you help elect Trump, Israel can have a blank check for doing whatever it wants militarily. If the Democrats prevail in the next election, there will be conditions.

And to say that protests of IDF excesses in Gaza are all organized by Iran is another oversimplified piece of war propaganda.

 

[Noor]

All of that senseless brutality HAS gotten attention. Huge struggles have taken place in the U.S. Congress over funding for Ukraine's defense. A new female President was just elected in Mexico, with an agenda that includes continuing collaboration with the USA to prosecute leaders of the drug cartels. Nigeria, the Sudan, and Gaza are so war torn that basic necessities can't even be delivered to citizens living transiently in tents.

What are you saying, that excesses by Netanyahu and the IDF should be overlooked because the other conflicts are not the focus of attention right now? The USA is not funding Russia, Boko Haram, and Mexican drug cartels.

However, we are funding and supplying weapons to the IDF. That fact is indeed being considered right now by protesters in the context of the utter destruction and lack of assistance for the war refugees there.

Maybe if you help elect Trump, Israel can have a blank check for doing whatever it wants militarily. If the Democrats prevail in the next election, there will be conditions.

And to say that protests of IDF excesses in Gaza are all organized by Iran is another oversimplified piece of war propaganda.

Excesses? What excesses are you talking about?

 

[lessOHmo]

Excesses? What excesses are you talking about?

STFU dingbat and stop giving oxygen to those that want to KILL YOU, a JEW

 

[coati]

Excesses? What excesses are you talking about?

If you don't recognize the excesses and disproportional response, I have nothing more to discuss about this issue with you.

Perhaps we can find some common ground on another issue in the future.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Excesses? What excesses are you talking about?

The ongoing genocide perpetrated by the Israel Defense Force against the Palestinian people.
It may no longer be on the front page, but it is ongoing.

 

[Noor]

If you don't recognize the excesses and disproportional response, I have nothing more to discuss about this issue with you.

Perhaps we can find some common ground on another issue in the future.

If there were believable numbers, I would definitely consider it, but as I don’t trust anyone’s numbers except the massacre numbers, Hamas and the UN themselves keep changing them downward, I will reserve judgement.

 

[lessOHmo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843649406580731943

 

[coati]

If there were believable numbers, I would definitely consider it, but as I don’t trust anyone’s numbers except the massacre numbers, Hamas and the UN themselves keep changing them downward, I will reserve judgement.

Not true-- you've made your judgement.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The ongoing genocide perpetrated by the Israel Defense Force against the Palestinian people.
It may no longer be on the front page, but it is ongoing.

There is no “ongoing genocide”. Referring to the war in Gaza as a genocide is pure antisemitism.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Not true-- you've made your judgement.

Why do you believe Hamas over Israel?

 

[lessOHmo]

Did you notice that in the past month or 6 weeks? There has been no increase in deaths reported. I wonder why.

 

[coati]

Why do you believe Hamas over Israel?

I do not rely on war propaganda from Hamas or Israel. I don't quibble over the exact number killed so far. The asymmetry is obvious.

Saying that things are not so bad after all in Gaza, because of conflicting dead-count numbers, is like Trump saying that he won the 2020 election.

 

[lessOHmo]

I do not rely on war propaganda from Hamas or Israel. I don't quibble over the exact number killed so far. The asymmetry is obvious.

Saying that things are not so bad after all in Gaza, because of conflicting dead-count numbers, is like Trump saying that he won the 2020 election.

Trump did win Biden is illegitimate

and I guess when the US lost a couple.Dozen people and Iraq lost hundreds of thousands in the Iraq US war.

You had an issue with them too right

 

[lessOHmo]

Lebanon Better get its act together and send its army against Hezbollah.

Or that shit country will look like gaza

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I do not rely on war propaganda from Hamas or Israel. I don't quibble over the exact number killed so far. The asymmetry is obvious.

Saying that things are not so bad after all in Gaza, because of conflicting dead-count numbers, is like Trump saying that he won the 2020 election.

The asymmetry is obvious. Israel is a liberal democracy that tries to protect its citizens as well as minimize civilian casualties. Hamas is a brutal, repressive terrorist regime that uses innocents as shields and has repeatedly stated that its goal is to commit genocide against the Jews.

 

[rainsol]

Tell us how you can tell one from another

Gaza and the West Bank elected Hamas, that is how you tell one from another, they joined up with Hamas and stupid George Bush listened to Dick (less) Cheney and did nothing and the same goes for Boma Harris and Biden

 

[coati]

The asymmetry is obvious. Israel is a liberal democracy that tries to protect its citizens as well as minimize civilian casualties. Hamas is a brutal, repressive terrorist regime that uses innocents as shields and has repeatedly stated that its goal is to commit genocide against the Jews.

Genocides beget genocides.

 

[ll74]

Gaza and the West Bank elected Hamas, that is how you tell one from another, they joined up with Hamas and stupid George Bush listened to Dick (less) Cheney and did nothing and the same goes for Boma Harris and Biden

This continues to be a bullshit talking point...unless somehow you believe America still wants Obama to be President.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Genocides beget genocides.

The Israelis are not committing a genocide in Gaza. Claiming that they are is pure antisemitism.

 

[deckardB26354]

I want there to be peace between the Arabs and the Jews, but it's not going to happen until the Arabs stop trying to exterminate the Jews. The West Bank was part of Jordan until 1967 when Israel occupied it during the 6-Day War. Since the 80's the West Bank has been in limbo, under semiautonomous control by a succession of Arab authorities who have been hostile to Israel.

I think that the extermination thoughts go both ways. I’ve been reading reports of people in power that don’t paint a kind light on either side. When you have the Israeli foreign minister saying that the Palestinians have to either leave or die—I find that to be pretty telling, don’t you?

The West Bank may be in limbo, as you say, but does that justify Israelis forcing Palestinians from their homes and confiscating their properties under the guise of it’s always been ours now get out?

The Muslims are invaders and colonizers. They rolled into the Judea 1500 years ago, set up shop, and started running the place. Now centuries later they cry that the Jews who managed to free themselves from Arab dominion and build a modern nation in their ancestral homeland are the real invaders.

So if the Muslims are invaders and colonizers, what does that make Israel now? The poor innocents? Read what you’re posting here—they rolled in 1500 years ago and started running the place? You mean like Israel is doing to Gaza right now? You say the Jews “managed to free themselves”…yes, with the aid and assistance from the US government and military and billions, if not trillions by now, of US taxpayer dollars.

I’ve heard Jews proclaiming that they want Gaza and the West Bank in their hands. It’s just a matter of time now.

 

[lessOHmo]

I think that the extermination thoughts go both ways. I’ve been reading reports of people in power that don’t paint a kind light on either side. When you have the Israeli foreign minister saying that the Palestinians and either leave or die—I find that to be pretty telling, don’t you?

The West Bank may be in limbo, as you say, but does that justify Israelis forcing Palestinians from their homes and confiscating their properties under the guise of it’s always been ours now get out?



So if the Muslims are invaders and colonizers, what does that make Israel now? The poor innocents? Read what you’re posting here—they rolled in 1500 years ago and started running the place? You mean like Israel is doing to Gaza right now? You say the Jews “managed to free themselves”…yes, with the aid and assistance from the US government and military and billions, if not trillions by now, of US taxpayer dollars.

I’ve heard Jews proclaiming that they want Gaza and the West Bank in their hands. It’s just a matter of time now.

Stop whining

 

[deckardB26354]

Here’s something that you can’t refute. This isn’t Hamas talking, it’s a producer for an American news outlet that lives in Gaza. He is basically one of the only voices that can be trusted coming out of Gaza. Believe it, don’t believe it—whatever.

A CBS producer shows what his life is like in Gaza

 

[lessOHmo]

Here’s something that you can’t refute. This isn’t Hamas talking, it’s a producer for an American news outlet that lives in Gaza. He is basically one of the only voices that can be trusted coming out of Gaza. Believe it, don’t believe it—whatever.

A CBS producer shows what his life is like in Gaza

Tough shit

Take it up with hamas

Another whiner