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[deckardB26354]

There have always been Jews in Israel, except the time when they were kidnapped and made slaves in Egypt.
Jews are more than a religion, a majority of them share mitochondrial DNA and are descendants of the one of 13 tribes. Most Jews are non religious.
There are no records that the Jews showed up from other places unlike the Arabs and Arabia.
Jews also survive and have outlived most ancient peoples. Jealousy of this longevity is one of the main causes of Why Jews are vilified.

I would agree that religion fueled by greed, particularly a form of Islam, has been a huge factor in the world’s current problems, much like the crusaders back in the 11th-13th centuries. The Jews were in Israel then too.

I’m sure that there’s documented proof somewhere that isn’t the Talmud about how all this went down, right? Well since they left to go to Egypt, I guess they didn’t want to live there anymore, so it’s up for grabs. How did they get to Egypt in the first place?? Did the Egyptian Army just show up one day and put everyone in chains and drag them over the Nile? Because wouldn’t that mean that what is now considered Israel is rightfully owned by Egypt? Because that’s why that phrase, “to the victor go the spoils” exists correct? So if that is correct, wouldn’t that mean that Israel is conquering what was considered Palestine? It’s okay to say yes, but just don’t tell me that some thousands of years old covenant means that you get it just because. Germany invaded Poland, but they couldn’t keep it—a lot of changes in the world map happened (and continues to happen) this way.

So if you’re going to tell me that Pharaoh had a better army than Israel had and they suffered for it…how does that make it any different than the indigenous tribes of North America? Whole tribes in America were annihilated as were similar tribes in Central and South America by the Spaniards. Is there resentment there? You bet your ass there is, but you’re not going to see those tribes attempt to rise up and take back Manhattan or Panama, right? So because Israel is different they can just say this land is ours and fuck everyone else in the world that disagrees—oh and you’re anti-Semitic too for thinking that. Sorry—I guess it’s agree to disagree on this.

 

[lessOHmo]

I’m sure that there’s documented proof somewhere that isn’t the Talmud about how all this went down, right? Well since they left to go to Egypt, I guess they didn’t want to live there anymore, so it’s up for grabs. How did they get to Egypt in the first place?? Did the Egyptian Army just show up one day and put everyone in chains and drag them over the Nile? Because wouldn’t that mean that what is now considered Israel is rightfully owned by Egypt? Because that’s why that phrase, “to the victor go the spoils” correct? So if that is correct, wouldn’t that mean that Israel is conquering what was considered Palestine? It’s okay to say yes, but just don’t tell me that some thousands of years old covenant means that you get it just because. Germany invaded Poland, but they couldn’t keep it—a lot of changes in the world map happened (and continues to happen) this way.

So if you’re going to tell me that Pharaoh had a better army than Israel had and they suffered for it…how does that make it any different than the indigenous tribes of North America? Whole tribes in America were annihilated as were similar tribes in Central and South America by the Spaniards. Is there resentment there? You bet your ass there is, but you’re not going to see those tribes attempt to rise up and take back Manhattan or Panama, right? So because Israel is different they can just say this land is ours and fuck everyone else in the world that disagrees—oh and you’re anti-Semitic too for thinking that. Sorry—I guess it’s agree to disagree on this.

Stop clogging up this venue with your long winded shit

 

[deckardB26354]

Stop clogging up this venue with your long winded shit

Stop whining.

 

[Lazaran]

I’m sure that there’s documented proof somewhere that isn’t the Talmud about how all this went down, right? Well since they left to go to Egypt, I guess they didn’t want to live there anymore, so it’s up for grabs. How did they get to Egypt in the first place?? Did the Egyptian Army just show up one day and put everyone in chains and drag them over the Nile? Because wouldn’t that mean that what is now considered Israel is rightfully owned by Egypt? Because that’s why that phrase, “to the victor go the spoils” came from correct? So if that is correct, wouldn’t that mean that Israel is conquering what was considered Palestine? It’s okay to say yes, but just don’t tell me that some thousands of years old covenant means that you get it just because. Germany invaded Poland, but they couldn’t keep it—a lot of changes in the world map happened (and continues to happen) this way.

So if you’re going to tell me that Pharaoh had a better army than Israel had and they suffered for it…how does that make it any different than the indigenous tribes of North America? Whole tribes in America were annihilated as were similar tribes in Central and South America by the Spaniards. Is there resentment there? You bet your ass there is, but you’re not going to see those tribes attempt to rise up and take back Manhattan or Panama, right? So because Israel is different they can just say this land is ours and fuck everyone else in the world that disagrees—oh and you’re anti-Semitic too for thinking that. Sorry—I guess it’s agree to disagree on this.

I don’t think you thought your track of logic through…

 

[deckardB26354]

I don’t think you thought your track of logic through…

Then explain it to me, because I (very) seriously need to know where I’m wrong with this. I support Israel, but it’s getting harder and harder to just blindly say that now.

 

[Lazaran]

Then explain it to me, because I (very) seriously need to know where I’m wrong with this. I support Israel, but it’s getting harder and harder to just blindly say that now.

Who controls the land of Israel right now; and who is trying to take it back???

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I’m sure that there’s documented proof somewhere that isn’t the Talmud about how all this went down, right? Well since they left to go to Egypt, I guess they didn’t want to live there anymore, so it’s up for grabs. How did they get to Egypt in the first place?? Did the Egyptian Army just show up one day and put everyone in chains and drag them over the Nile? Because wouldn’t that mean that what is now considered Israel is rightfully owned by Egypt? Because that’s why that phrase, “to the victor go the spoils” came from correct? So if that is correct, wouldn’t that mean that Israel is conquering what was considered Palestine? It’s okay to say yes, but just don’t tell me that some thousands of years old covenant means that you get it just because. Germany invaded Poland, but they couldn’t keep it—a lot of changes in the world map happened (and continues to happen) this way.

So if you’re going to tell me that Pharaoh had a better army than Israel had and they suffered for it…how does that make it any different than the indigenous tribes of North America? Whole tribes in America were annihilated as were similar tribes in Central and South America by the Spaniards. Is there resentment there? You bet your ass there is, but you’re not going to see those tribes attempt to rise up and take back Manhattan or Panama, right? So because Israel is different they can just say this land is ours and fuck everyone else in the world that disagrees—oh and you’re anti-Semitic too for thinking that. Sorry—I guess it’s agree to disagree on this.

Jew have lived continuously in the land that is modern Israel for thousands of years. We've retained our culture, language, and religion despite being under the yoke of foreign invaders. The Al-Aqsa Mosque and Church of the Holy Sepulcher are bult on top of the ruins of the Second Temple.

Jews are okay with sharing the Holy Land with the newcomers as long as they don't try to subjugate us or kill us.

 

[deckardB26354]

Jews are okay with sharing the Holy Land with the newcomers as long as they don't try to subjugate us or kill us.

You had me until this. They obviously aren’t okay with sharing the holy land because the illegal settlements are proof of that.

 

[deckardB26354]

Who controls the land of Israel right now; and who is trying to take it back???

You tell me. Because it sounds like you’re trying to tell me that Israel isn’t controlling all of their lands—meaning Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[LLCox]

Oh Hezbolala your pagers are ringing... lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843449331732623832

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You had me until this. They obviously aren’t okay with sharing the holy land because the illegal settlements are proof of that.

Palestinian Arabs can live inside Israel as full citizens. There are no religious restrictions placed on Christians and Muslims in Israel. Despite the fact that foreign invaders built mosques and churches on the ruins of the holiest place in Judaism, there have been no changes to the Temple Mount since the Israeli took over Jerusalem. The churches and mosques still stand, and are used for services for these invader religions.

 

[Lazaran]

You tell me. Because it sounds like you’re trying to tell me that Israel isn’t controlling all of their lands—meaning Gaza and the West Bank.

Perhaps the Arabs / Muslims should have left Israel alone when it secured its independence???



The partitioning of mandatory Palestine created a framework border outline for the Jewish State of Israel, and the Israeli Jews seemed content with it. Then the Arabs / Muslims who had their own cut out borders from the old mandatory Palestine said: “fuck that, let’s conduct war on Israel and have it all”. The rest is history.

 

[deckardB26354]

Palestinian Arabs can live inside Israel as full citizens. There are no religious restrictions placed on Christians and Muslims in Israel. Despite the fact that foreign invaders built mosques and churches on the ruins of the holiest place in Judaism, there have been no changes to the Temple Mount since the Israeli took over Jerusalem. The churches and mosques still stand, and are used for services for these invader religions.

Even the way you phrase your argument makes you sound superior and entitled. “Invader religions” and the like make you sound like every other voice that I’ve heard yelling death to Palestine.

I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about my comment about illegal settlements.

 

[notatam]

ISRAEL WILL HAVE TO WIPE THEM COMPLETELY OUT: Hamas Leader Wants ‘New Fronts’ of Jihad.

 

[deckardB26354]

Palestinian Arabs can live inside Israel as full citizens. There are no religious restrictions placed on Christians and Muslims in Israel.

So I do a little searching on this to learn more…

https://qz.com/1445321/what-its-like-to-travel-on-an-israeli-passport-as-a-palestinian

https://www.972mag.com/for-palestinian-citizens-israel-was-and-remains-a-shin-bet-state/

Interesting to say the least.

 

[deckardB26354]

ISRAEL WILL HAVE TO WIPE THEM COMPLETELY OUT: Hamas Leader Wants ‘New Fronts’ of Jihad.

Fuck Hamas. We’re talking about the people in Gaza and the West Bank that want peace and want no part of Hamas.

 

[deckardB26354]

Perhaps the Arabs / Muslims should have left Israel alone when it secured its independence???



The partitioning of mandatory Palestine created a framework border outline for the Jewish State of Israel, and the Israeli Jews seemed content with it. Then the Arabs / Muslims who had their own cut out borders from the old mandatory Palestine said: “fuck that, let’s conduct war on Israel and have it all”. The rest is history.

Ok, then after that war ended, what did the map look like then and compare it to now—please.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Even the way you phrase your argument makes you sound superior and entitled. “Invader religions” and the like make you sound like every other voice that I’ve heard yelling death to Palestine.

I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about my comment about illegal settlements.

I want there to be peace between the Arabs and the Jews, but it's not going to happen until the Arabs stop trying to exterminate the Jews. The West Bank was part of Jordan until 1967 when Israel occupied it during the 6-Day War. Since the 80's the West Bank has been in limbo, under semiautonomous control by a succession of Arab authorities who have been hostile to Israel.

The Muslims are invaders and colonizers. They rolled into the Judea 1500 years ago, set up shop, and started running the place. Now centuries later they cry that the Jews who managed to free themselves from Arab dominion and build a modern nation in their ancestral homeland are the real invaders.

 

[lessOHmo]

Fuck Hamas. We’re talking about the people in Gaza and the West Bank that want peace and want no part of Hamas.

Tell us how you can tell one from another

 

[Lazaran]

Ok, then after that war ended, what did the map look like then and compare it to now—please.

A fuckton of Arab / Muslim aggression toward Israel occurred between 1967 and now that resulted in shifting borders / areas under Israeli control.

Did some Israeli’s exploit the situation??? Who really knows.

There is a fine line between Israelis’ establishing legitimate security outposts and expanding illegal settlements, imho. Security outposts / bases ALWAYS need / inspire support / dependent communities.

I go back to the initial Arab / Muslim aggression against the nascent Jewish state of Israel, because that aggression set in motion all that followed. And Israel HAS, over the decades, made good faith gestures of peace and reconciliation, only to be betrayed by the Arabs / Muslims in the region.

Expecting to go back to the 1967 borders after everything that has happened in the succeeding decades is ridiculous, imho. The Arabs / Muslims have made that impossible with their intractable “From the river to the sea” mandate.

 

[ll74]

Tell us how you can tell one from another

Lol

JFC

 

[coati]

How about the kidnappings in Nigeria by Boko Haram fighters, the women disappearing in Mexico by the drug cartels , the Sudanese civil war, the Slaughter of the Ukrainians by Russia, For starters?
This are current conflicts that get little attention by the media and protests.

People protesting about Gaza is state sponsored and organized by Iran they even have a still alive ( for now) commander in charge of it.

All of that senseless brutality HAS gotten attention. Huge struggles have taken place in the U.S. Congress over funding for Ukraine's defense. A new female President was just elected in Mexico, with an agenda that includes continuing collaboration with the USA to prosecute leaders of the drug cartels. Nigeria, the Sudan, and Gaza are so war torn that basic necessities can't even be delivered to citizens living transiently in tents.

What are you saying, that excesses by Netanyahu and the IDF should be overlooked because the other conflicts are not the focus of attention right now? The USA is not funding Russia, Boko Haram, and Mexican drug cartels.

However, we are funding and supplying weapons to the IDF. That fact is indeed being considered right now by protesters in the context of the utter destruction and lack of assistance for the war refugees there.

Maybe if you help elect Trump, Israel can have a blank check for doing whatever it wants militarily. If the Democrats prevail in the next election, there will be conditions.

And to say that protests of IDF excesses in Gaza are all organized by Iran is another oversimplified piece of war propaganda.

 

[Noor]

All of that senseless brutality HAS gotten attention. Huge struggles have taken place in the U.S. Congress over funding for Ukraine's defense. A new female President was just elected in Mexico, with an agenda that includes continuing collaboration with the USA to prosecute leaders of the drug cartels. Nigeria, the Sudan, and Gaza are so war torn that basic necessities can't even be delivered to citizens living transiently in tents.

What are you saying, that excesses by Netanyahu and the IDF should be overlooked because the other conflicts are not the focus of attention right now? The USA is not funding Russia, Boko Haram, and Mexican drug cartels.

However, we are funding and supplying weapons to the IDF. That fact is indeed being considered right now by protesters in the context of the utter destruction and lack of assistance for the war refugees there.

Maybe if you help elect Trump, Israel can have a blank check for doing whatever it wants militarily. If the Democrats prevail in the next election, there will be conditions.

And to say that protests of IDF excesses in Gaza are all organized by Iran is another oversimplified piece of war propaganda.

Excesses? What excesses are you talking about?

 

[lessOHmo]

Excesses? What excesses are you talking about?

STFU dingbat and stop giving oxygen to those that want to KILL YOU, a JEW

 

[coati]

Excesses? What excesses are you talking about?

If you don't recognize the excesses and disproportional response, I have nothing more to discuss about this issue with you.

Perhaps we can find some common ground on another issue in the future.