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I stand by my previous statement, lessHomo.
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Just because ignorant MAGAts can’t comprehend Vice President Harris’ answer doesn’t make it “word salad”.
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AIPAC actually did an outstanding job of controlling the narrative the first two or three weeks after 10/7. If you look at most contemporary postings on MOST of the major social media platforms (Facebook, Threads, Twitter, Truth Social and Instagram) you will see that anything that deviated from the "oh those poor suffering Israelis" was almost immediately removed and users suspended or banned, and/or branded "Anti-Semitic" (a hoary Israeli canned response). An almost complete clampdown.
Then “AIPAC in America” is doing a reeeeaaally bad job.
The reality is, 10/7 proved every fear of genocidal Islam was / is justified. It was far worse than 9/11, imho, because it clearly involved much larger organization / cooperation within the Arab/ Muslim community, and was met with little to no full throated condemnation from the Arab / Muslim community. Quite the contrary, actually.
And, while AIPAC undoubtedly IS attempting to present their narrative to the world, it has mostly been playing catch-up (counter-narrating) to the Arab / Muslim media narrative that went into full swing IMMEDIATELY after the Hamas terrorists’ 10/7 rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation. (The Arab / Muslim world has plenty of cash and connections in media to “make fetch happen”).
Personally, I’m of the mind that there IS too much killing and collective punishment occurring in the region, but Israel IS in an existential war of survival against far larger and far more radical enemies, and I have zero right to be overly judgmental of Israel’s actions.
I also believe Israel DOES get too much scrutiny from SOME people, despite there being faaaaaar worse atrocities being committed in other wars around the world. (And Israel is in the middle of the beginning of a “hot war” IT DID NOT START, with radical hostiles on every flank.)
I’m willing to give Israel quite a bit of latitude when prosecuting this war. If I see self recorded video by IDF forces rampaging through a Palestinian dance festival raping, torturing, murdering, and kidnapping the INNOCENT attendees (or even bombing a Palestinian dance party) THEN I will say Israel has crossed the line. (And, no, Israel bombing Hamas operatives who are using "innocents" as human shields is not equivalent to what Hamas did on 10/7). Hamas, etc, set the terms of combat - now they must deal with the repercussions.
The "X factor" was TikTok. TikTok was owned by the Chinese, and outside the reach of the American government and AIPAC. TikTok quickly became the "go to" source for videos of Israeli atrocities, which were heavily censored in the Western media. The first groundswell against the Israel genocide actually came from college students, the majority of the "TikTok demographic". AIPAC and the majority of Boomer Congress were caught flat-footed and that resulted in some pretty draconian crackdowns.
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There have always been Jews in Israel, except the time when they were kidnapped and made slaves in Egypt.
Jews are more than a religion, a majority of them share mitochondrial DNA and are descendants of the one of 13 tribes. Most Jews are non religious.
There are no records that the Jews showed up from other places unlike the Arabs and Arabia.
Jews also survive and have outlived most ancient peoples. Jealousy of this longevity is one of the main causes of Why Jews are vilified.
I would agree that religion fueled by greed, particularly a form of Islam, has been a huge factor in the world’s current problems, much like the crusaders back in the 11th-13th centuries. The Jews were in Israel then too.
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How about the kidnappings in Nigeria by Boko Haram fighters, the women disappearing in Mexico by the drug cartels , the Sudanese civil war, the Slaughter of the Ukrainians by Russia, For starters?
This are current conflicts that get little attention by the media and protests.
People protesting about Gaza is state sponsored and organized by Iran they even have a still alive ( for now) commander in charge of it.
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I’m sure that there’s documented proof somewhere that isn’t the Talmud about how all this went down, right? Well since they left to go to Egypt, I guess they didn’t want to live there anymore, so it’s up for grabs. How did they get to Egypt in the first place?? Did the Egyptian Army just show up one day and put everyone in chains and drag them over the Nile? Because wouldn’t that mean that what is now considered Israel is rightfully owned by Egypt? Because that’s why that phrase, “to the victor go the spoils” exists correct? So if that is correct, wouldn’t that mean that Israel is conquering what was considered Palestine? It’s okay to say yes, but just don’t tell me that some thousands of years old covenant means that you get it just because. Germany invaded Poland, but they couldn’t keep it—a lot of changes in the world map happened (and continues to happen) this way.
So if you’re going to tell me that Pharaoh had a better army than Israel had and they suffered for it…how does that make it any different than the indigenous tribes of North America? Whole tribes in America were annihilated as were similar tribes in Central and South America by the Spaniards. Is there resentment there? You bet your ass there is, but you’re not going to see those tribes attempt to rise up and take back Manhattan or Panama, right? So because Israel is different they can just say this land is ours and fuck everyone else in the world that disagrees—oh and you’re anti-Semitic too for thinking that. Sorry—I guess it’s agree to disagree on this.
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Stop clogging up this venue with your long winded shit
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Stop whining.
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I don’t think you thought your track of logic through…
Then explain it to me, because I (very) seriously need to know where I’m wrong with this. I support Israel, but it’s getting harder and harder to just blindly say that now.
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Jew have lived continuously in the land that is modern Israel for thousands of years. We've retained our culture, language, and religion despite being under the yoke of foreign invaders. The Al-Aqsa Mosque and Church of the Holy Sepulcher are bult on top of the ruins of the Second Temple.
Jews are okay with sharing the Holy Land with the newcomers as long as they don't try to subjugate us or kill us.
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You had me until this. They obviously aren’t okay with sharing the holy land because the illegal settlements are proof of that.
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Who controls the land of Israel right now; and who is trying to take it back???
You tell me. Because it sounds like you’re trying to tell me that Israel isn’t controlling all of their lands—meaning Gaza and the West Bank.
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Palestinian Arabs can live inside Israel as full citizens. There are no religious restrictions placed on Christians and Muslims in Israel. Despite the fact that foreign invaders built mosques and churches on the ruins of the holiest place in Judaism, there have been no changes to the Temple Mount since the Israeli took over Jerusalem. The churches and mosques still stand, and are used for services for these invader religions.
Perhaps the Arabs / Muslims should have left Israel alone when it secured its independence???
The partitioning of mandatory Palestine created a framework border outline for the Jewish State of Israel, and the Israeli Jews seemed content with it. Then the Arabs / Muslims who had their own cut out borders from the old mandatory Palestine said: “fuck that, let’s conduct war on Israel and have it all”. The rest is history.
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Even the way you phrase your argument makes you sound superior and entitled. “Invader religions” and the like make you sound like every other voice that I’ve heard yelling death to Palestine.
I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about my comment about illegal settlements.
ISRAEL WILL HAVE TO WIPE THEM COMPLETELY OUT: Hamas Leader Wants ‘New Fronts’ of Jihad.
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So I do a little searching on this to learn more…
https://qz.com/1445321/what-its-like-to-travel-on-an-israeli-passport-as-a-palestinian
https://www.972mag.com/for-palestinian-citizens-israel-was-and-remains-a-shin-bet-state/
Interesting to say the least.
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Fuck Hamas. We’re talking about the people in Gaza and the West Bank that want peace and want no part of Hamas.
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Perhaps the Arabs / Muslims should have left Israel alone when it secured its independence???
The partitioning of mandatory Palestine created a framework border outline for the Jewish State of Israel, and the Israeli Jews seemed content with it. Then the Arabs / Muslims who had their own cut out borders from the old mandatory Palestine said: “fuck that, let’s conduct war on Israel and have it all”. The rest is history.
Ok, then after that war ended, what did the map look like then and compare it to now—please.
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I want there to be peace between the Arabs and the Jews, but it's not going to happen until the Arabs stop trying to exterminate the Jews. The West Bank was part of Jordan until 1967 when Israel occupied it during the 6-Day War. Since the 80's the West Bank has been in limbo, under semiautonomous control by a succession of Arab authorities who have been hostile to Israel.
The Muslims are invaders and colonizers. They rolled into the Judea 1500 years ago, set up shop, and started running the place. Now centuries later they cry that the Jews who managed to free themselves from Arab dominion and build a modern nation in their ancestral homeland are the real invaders.
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