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Noor said:
Excesses? What excesses are you talking about?
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The ongoing genocide perpetrated by the Israel Defense Force against the Palestinian people.
It may no longer be on the front page, but it is ongoing.
 
coati said:
If you don't recognize the excesses and disproportional response, I have nothing more to discuss about this issue with you.

Perhaps we can find some common ground on another issue in the future.
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If there were believable numbers, I would definitely consider it, but as I don’t trust anyone’s numbers except the massacre numbers, Hamas and the UN themselves keep changing them downward, I will reserve judgement.
 
Noor said:
If there were believable numbers, I would definitely consider it, but as I don’t trust anyone’s numbers except the massacre numbers, Hamas and the UN themselves keep changing them downward, I will reserve judgement.
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Not true-- you've made your judgement.
 
Did you notice that in the past month or 6 weeks? There has been no increase in deaths reported. I wonder why.
 
BrightShinyGirl said:
Why do you believe Hamas over Israel?
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I do not rely on war propaganda from Hamas or Israel. I don't quibble over the exact number killed so far. The asymmetry is obvious.

Saying that things are not so bad after all in Gaza, because of conflicting dead-count numbers, is like Trump saying that he won the 2020 election.
 
coati said:
I do not rely on war propaganda from Hamas or Israel. I don't quibble over the exact number killed so far. The asymmetry is obvious.

Saying that things are not so bad after all in Gaza, because of conflicting dead-count numbers, is like Trump saying that he won the 2020 election.
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Trump did win Biden is illegitimate

and I guess when the US lost a couple.Dozen people and Iraq lost hundreds of thousands in the Iraq US war.

You had an issue with them too right
 
Lebanon Better get its act together and send its army against Hezbollah.

Or that shit country will look like gaza
 
coati said:
I do not rely on war propaganda from Hamas or Israel. I don't quibble over the exact number killed so far. The asymmetry is obvious.

Saying that things are not so bad after all in Gaza, because of conflicting dead-count numbers, is like Trump saying that he won the 2020 election.
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The asymmetry is obvious. Israel is a liberal democracy that tries to protect its citizens as well as minimize civilian casualties. Hamas is a brutal, repressive terrorist regime that uses innocents as shields and has repeatedly stated that its goal is to commit genocide against the Jews.
 
lessOHmo said:
Tell us how you can tell one from another
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Gaza and the West Bank elected Hamas, that is how you tell one from another, they joined up with Hamas and stupid George Bush listened to Dick (less) Cheney and did nothing and the same goes for Boma Harris and Biden
 
BrightShinyGirl said:
The asymmetry is obvious. Israel is a liberal democracy that tries to protect its citizens as well as minimize civilian casualties. Hamas is a brutal, repressive terrorist regime that uses innocents as shields and has repeatedly stated that its goal is to commit genocide against the Jews.
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Genocides beget genocides.
 
rainsol said:
Gaza and the West Bank elected Hamas, that is how you tell one from another, they joined up with Hamas and stupid George Bush listened to Dick (less) Cheney and did nothing and the same goes for Boma Harris and Biden
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This continues to be a bullshit talking point...unless somehow you believe America still wants Obama to be President.
 
BrightShinyGirl said:
I want there to be peace between the Arabs and the Jews, but it's not going to happen until the Arabs stop trying to exterminate the Jews. The West Bank was part of Jordan until 1967 when Israel occupied it during the 6-Day War. Since the 80's the West Bank has been in limbo, under semiautonomous control by a succession of Arab authorities who have been hostile to Israel.
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I think that the extermination thoughts go both ways. I’ve been reading reports of people in power that don’t paint a kind light on either side. When you have the Israeli foreign minister saying that the Palestinians have to either leave or die—I find that to be pretty telling, don’t you?

The West Bank may be in limbo, as you say, but does that justify Israelis forcing Palestinians from their homes and confiscating their properties under the guise of it’s always been ours now get out?

BrightShinyGirl said:
The Muslims are invaders and colonizers. They rolled into the Judea 1500 years ago, set up shop, and started running the place. Now centuries later they cry that the Jews who managed to free themselves from Arab dominion and build a modern nation in their ancestral homeland are the real invaders.
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So if the Muslims are invaders and colonizers, what does that make Israel now? The poor innocents? Read what you’re posting here—they rolled in 1500 years ago and started running the place? You mean like Israel is doing to Gaza right now? You say the Jews “managed to free themselves”…yes, with the aid and assistance from the US government and military and billions, if not trillions by now, of US taxpayer dollars.

I’ve heard Jews proclaiming that they want Gaza and the West Bank in their hands. It’s just a matter of time now.
 
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deckardB26354 said:
I think that the extermination thoughts go both ways. I’ve been reading reports of people in power that don’t paint a kind light on either side. When you have the Israeli foreign minister saying that the Palestinians and either leave or die—I find that to be pretty telling, don’t you?

The West Bank may be in limbo, as you say, but does that justify Israelis forcing Palestinians from their homes and confiscating their properties under the guise of it’s always been ours now get out?



So if the Muslims are invaders and colonizers, what does that make Israel now? The poor innocents? Read what you’re posting here—they rolled in 1500 years ago and started running the place? You mean like Israel is doing to Gaza right now? You say the Jews “managed to free themselves”…yes, with the aid and assistance from the US government and military and billions, if not trillions by now, of US taxpayer dollars.

I’ve heard Jews proclaiming that they want Gaza and the West Bank in their hands. It’s just a matter of time now.
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Stop whining
 
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