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[Lazaran]

Hamas brutally murders 6 hostages on film. Reaction from the UK and others, including allies, the western press, and even some Israelis: Blame Israel.

A Presidential statement:

“I am devastated and outraged. Hersh was among the innocents brutally attacked while attending a music festival for peace in Israel on October 7. He lost his arm helping friends and strangers during Hamas’ savage massacre. He had just turned 23. He planned to travel the world. I have gotten to know his parents, Jon and Rachel. They have been courageous, wise, and steadfast, even as they have endured the unimaginable. They have been relentless and irrepressible champions of their son and of all the hostages held in unconscionable conditions. I admire them and grieve with them more deeply than words can express. I know all Americans tonight will have them in their prayers, just as Jill and I will. I have worked tirelessly to bring their beloved Hersh safely to them and am heartbroken by the news of his death. It is as tragic as it is reprehensible. Make no mistake, Hamas leaders will pay for these crimes. And we will keep working around the clock for a deal to secure the release of the remaining hostages.”

 

[Lazaran]

Hamas brutally murders 6 hostages on film. Reaction from the UK and others, including allies, the western press, and even some Israelis: Blame Israel.

Another presidential statement:

“On October 7, Hersh Goldberg-Polin—an American citizen—was taken hostage by Hamas terrorists. He was just 23 years old, attending a music festival with friends. We now know he was murdered by Hamas. His body was recovered today in the tunnels under Rafah, along with five other hostages.

Doug and my prayers are with Jon Polin and Rachel Goldberg-Polin, Hersh’s parents, and with everyone who knew and loved Hersh. When I met with Jon and Rachel earlier this year, I told them: You are not alone. That remains true as they mourn this terrible loss. Americans and people around the world will pray for Jon, Rachel, and their family and send them love and strength. As is said in the Jewish tradition, may Hersh’s memory be a blessing.

Hamas is an evil terrorist organization. With these murders, Hamas has even more American blood on its hands. I strongly condemn Hamas’ continued brutality, and so must the entire world. From its massacre of 1,200 people to sexual violence, taking of hostages, and these murders, Hamas’ depravity is evident and horrifying. The threat Hamas poses to the people of Israel—and American citizens in Israel—must be eliminated and Hamas cannot control Gaza. The Palestinian people too have suffered under Hamas’ rule for nearly two decades.

As Vice President, I have no higher priority than the safety of American citizens, wherever they are in the world. President Biden and I will never waver in our commitment to free the Americans and all those held hostage in Gaza.”

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

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Biden says Netanyahu not doing enough to secure deal after 6 hostages killed​

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bid...-deal-amid-protests-israel/story?id=113322446

 

[Lazaran]

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Biden says Netanyahu not doing enough to secure deal after 6 hostages killed​

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bid...-deal-amid-protests-israel/story?id=113322446

I know one thing for certain: That reporter should be fired for the way they posed that fucked up question:

"Do you think it's time Prime Minister Netanyahu to do more on this issue, do you think he's doing enough?"





Side note:

BabyBoobs is a total POS. for trying to score some cheap political "win" out of this tragedy with a "gotcha" question and answer.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I know one thing for certain: That reporter should be fired for the way they posed that fucked up question:

"Do you think it's time Prime Minister Netanyahu to do more on this issue, do you think he's doing enough?"

Yeah, it’s the reporter’s fault.

 

[Lazaran]

Yeah, it’s the reporter’s fault.

Nah, it isn’t the reporter’s fault that BabyBoobs is a total POS.



BabyBoobs

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Nah, it isn’t the reporter’s fault that BabyBoobs is a total POS.



BabyBoobs

Ouch! That hurt.

 

[Lazaran]

Ouch! That hurt.

A POS has feelings???

Who knew???



BabyBoobs

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

A POS has feelings???

Who knew???



BabyBoobs

You’re fearless with your name calling under the cloak of anonymity. I wouldn’t dare reciprocate.

 

[Lazaran]

You’re fearless with your name calling under the cloak of anonymity. I wouldn’t dare reciprocate.

Now what exactly is BabyBoobs (a total POS) trying to say here???



BabyBoobs

 

[butters]

A Hamas Nukhba force company commander who led the invasion of Netiv Ha’asara on October 7 was killed in a recent airstrike in the Gaza Strip, the military and Shin Bet say, confirming reports.

Ahmed Fawzi Nasser Muhammad Wadiyya was among eight Hamas terrorists killed in an airstrike on a compound used by the terror group near Gaza City’s al-Ahli hospital, the IDF says.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=ea817eb7e78a477aa090f96397e756e0&ei=54

 

[butters]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-is...parts-of-philadelphi-as-part-of-hostage-deal/

The White House declared Tuesday that its latest, Israel-backed hostage deal proposal includes an IDF withdrawal from heavily populated areas along the Philadelphi Corridor, a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared Israel must indefinitely maintain a presence along the Egypt-Gaza border stretch.

“The deal itself, including the bridging proposal that we started working with… includes the removal of Israeli Defense Forces from all densely populated areas… in phase one… and that includes those areas along and adjacent to that corridor,” said White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby in a briefing with reporters. “That’s the proposal that Israel had agreed to.”

seems netanyahu is still not planning on abiding by the second phase of total withdrawal

Regardless, the second phase of the framework requires a full Israeli withdrawal from the entirety of Gaza — a clause that Netanyahu’s Monday remarks appeared to contradict.

In a subsequent briefing with reporters on Tuesday, US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said the US has “made very clear what we believe about the possibility of an ongoing Israeli presence in Gaza — that we [are] opposed to it.”

Miller also reiterated Kirby’s comments about an Israeli agreement to withdraw from populated areas along the Philadelphi Corridor, adding that “there are a number of details that require further negotiation to conclude how the parties will live up to their commitments under the agreement.”

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=7d8bcafb599343ad966e1f9c1e598ec1&ei=26

Netanyahu virtually rules out a Gaza ceasefire deal and uses map that erases West Bank​

Netanyahu told a televised press conference at the end of a day of nationwide protests that he would "not give in to pressure" to moderate demands that are making a hostage deal with Hamas impossible.

Analyst Mairav Zonszein of the International Crisis Group said Netanyahu's remarks showed "he won't stop the war... until Hamas surrenders, and he basically announced there won't be a hostage deal."

Netanyahu "wants to occupy Gaza on some level indefinitely" and was now "just saying it more openly," she told AFP. Despite "huge opposition" among Israelis who support a ceasefire deal, "there's also nobody in the political realm that's able to challenge him."

 

[butters]

The Justice Department unsealed charges Tuesday targeting multiple senior members of Hamas' leadership for their alleged involvement in the kidnapping and murdering of Americans during the terror group's Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

The criminal complaint, unsealed in the Southern District of New York, names six members of Hamas' leadership structure and details extensively their alleged terrorist activities on behalf of the group.

The charges were filed in February and kept under seal because the DOJ was hoping to be able to take Haniyeh and other members of the alleged conspiracy into U.S. custody, a DOJ official told ABC News, who added that it was no longer necessary to do so since three of the six charged are now deceased and given the recent developments in the region.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=7d8bcafb599343ad966e1f9c1e598ec1&ei=36

 

[Lazaran]

Notable news:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...phi-corridor-cd15c27cecffe70322becd933cf38909

Hamas and Egypt refuse to budge on conceding control of the Philadelphi corridor to Israel in exchange for a ceasefire.

That ^ says it all.

Egypt and Hamas are determined to keep their illegal smuggling operation going after the war.

Netanyahu may be a corrupt, totalitarian asshole, but he is right about not ending the war unless and until Hamas and Egypt agree to cede control of the Philadelphi corridor to Israel or an Israel approved international security force.

 

[butters]

Notable news:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...phi-corridor-cd15c27cecffe70322becd933cf38909

Hamas and Egypt refuse to budge on conceding control of the Philidelphi corridor to Israel in exchange for a ceasefire.

That ^ says it all.

Egypt and Hamas are determined to keep their illegal smuggling operation going after the war.

Netanyahu may be a corrupt, totalitarian asshole, but he is right about not ending the war unless and until Hamas and Egypt agree to cede control of the Philidelphi corridor to Israel or an Israel approved international security force.

Israel was supposed to be out of there decades ago.

An international security force may be the way forward.

 

[Lazaran]

Israel was supposed to be out of there decades ago.

Israel was out of there for almost two decades - and then 10/7 happened.

An international security force may be the way forward.

It’s likely the only way forward short of Israel obliterating all of Gaza to eliminate Hamas.

Bottom line:

Hamas cannot be allowed to remain intact with access to / control of the Philadelphi smuggling corridor.

Full stop.

 

[butters]

hundreds of thousands of protesters took to the streets across Israel demanding netanyahu make a deal with hamas to bring the hostages home

Sept. 7 (UPI) -- Massive demonstrations demanding a deal to return the remaining Jewish hostages held by Hamas broke out across Israel late Saturday as protesters flooded into the streets 11 months after the start of the war in Gaza.

One of the speakers at the Tel Aviv rally was former hostage Andrey Kozlov, who spent 246 days in captivity in Gaza before he was rescued by the Israel Defense Forces in "Operation Arnon."

"We cannot allow this disaster to continue. We must demand that our leaders do whatever is necessary and to do the right thing," Kozlov said.

Former Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon spoke at a demonstration Saturday in Herzliya where called for the immediate resignation of Netanyahu's government, according to the Israeli newspaper Maariv.

The government, he said, "needs to be replaced as quickly as possible.

"We are the majority, that's why they fear elections," he said. "We need to prepare for the transition from protest to opposition to the criminal and dangerous government, which, according to all polls, has lost public legitimacy."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=a8f80bf6f4a84417974d3db0c2d1d7a2&ei=176

 

[butters]

GENEVA (Reuters) - The U.N. human rights chief said on Monday that ending the nearly year-long war in Gaza is a priority and asked countries to act on what he called Israel's "blatant disregard" for international law in the occupied Palestinian territories.

"States must not – cannot – accept blatant disregard for international law, including binding decisions of the (U.N.) Security Council and orders of the International Court of Justice, neither in this nor any other situation," the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk said in a speech at the opening of the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=e917e517af014c9fb968052f4630acbe&ei=79

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=ea15e6edeb694326920e3f20e66ad520&ei=44

MADRID/OSLO (Reuters) - The foreign ministers of several Muslim and European countries will meet in Madrid on Friday to discuss how to implement a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Spanish and Norwegian governments said.

Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Albares will host the meeting, which will be attended by his European counterparts, European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell, and members of the Arab-Islamic Contact Group for Gaza.

On May 28, Spain, Norway and Ireland formally recognised a unified Palestinian state ruled by the Palestinian Authority comprising the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, with East Jerusalem as its capital. With them, 146 of the 193 member states of the United Nations now recognise Palestinian statehood.

 

[butters]

Philadelphi Corridor: of the 203 separate but interconnected tunnels found (that's a lot!) and destroyed, 9 connected to Egypt... none of these were found to be active or functioning, having previously been blocked up or destroyed by Egyptian forces or hamas

Cohen, who commands the IDF’s 162nd Division, says that his combat engineering forces located 203 separate, but interconnected, tunnels in the Philadelphi Corridor, stretching from the Egypt border to about 300 meters away on the outskirts of the city of Rafah.

“Most of them we have destroyed,” the general said. “We are operating at the other sites to investigate them, and when we will finish investigating, they will be destroyed.”

Out of the 203 tunnels, Cohen confirms that the IDF had so far located a total of nine that had crossed into Egypt, but every single one had been blocked up previously, either by Egyptian authorities or Hamas themselves.

“There are a total of nine underground sites [tunnels] that cross into Egyptian territory, but they have collapsed, they are not usable, they are not active,” he says.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=b4c3ce1d73e24776cc0e5a04d54e9a35&ei=19

 

[Lazaran]

Philadelphi Corridor: of the 203 separate but interconnected tunnels found (that's a lot!) and destroyed, 9 connected to Egypt... none of these were found to be active or functioning, having previously been blocked up or destroyed by Egyptian forces or hamas





https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=b4c3ce1d73e24776cc0e5a04d54e9a35&ei=19

No offense, butters, but once the Egyptians and Hamas knew that Israel was going to seize the Philadelphi corridor, it would have behooved the Egyptians and Hamas to block up those tunnels to avoid logical conclusion being drawn about how and from where Hamas was being supplied with weapons, explosives, missile making components, etc.

Nowhere in that article does it mention when those tunnels were blocked up by the Egyptians or Hamas - but the very fact that those tunnels exist / existed at all is damning evidence of the Egyptians and Hamas being co-conspirators in smuggling and terrorism, imho.

And while it’s a good thing that those tunnels are currently blocked, those tunnels can be unblocked if the Egyptians and Hamas are given the opportunity.

The Israelis would be fools to cede control of the Philadelphi corridor back to their enemies after 10/7, imho.

 

[butters]

perhaps you are right, L...

personally, I don't believe Israel has any business there.
Also interesting, the aid the USA is giving to Egypt to ensure it can protect itself.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=d2f8df7a0b854069f9b6f3a7741f5d27&ei=48

Israeli forces detained and attacked a UN convoy on its way to support the polio vaccination campaign in northern Gaza this week, using tanks and bulldozers to terrorize the UN staff and firing their guns despite supposed agreements by Israeli forces that the polio campaign be safe from violence.

According to Philippe Lazzarini, the head of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA), the UN had coordinated the convoy’s travel in detail with Israeli forces. Despite this, the Israeli military held the convoy for over eight hours at a checkpoint as it was on its way to northern Gaza. None of the 12 UN staff involved were killed during the incident, but they were forced to return to base and were unable to complete their mission.

According to UN secretary-general spokesperson Stéphane Dujarric, Israeli soldiers pointed guns at staff while saying they wanted to detain two of them for questioning. Then, firing off their guns, they surrounded the convoy with tanks and bulldozers.

They then rammed the UN vehicles from the front and back, “compacting the convoy with UN staff inside,” Dujarric said. A bulldozer dropped debris on the lead vehicle in the convoy.

“This significant incident is the latest in a series of violations against UN staff including shootings at convoys and arrests by the Israeli Armed Forces at checkpoints despite prior notification. UN Staff must be allowed to undertake their duties in safety and be protected at all times in accordance with international humanitarian law. Gaza is no different,” said Lazzarini.

 

[butters]

Israel deliberately targeting spots very close to sites set up to administer the polio vaccines... sitting duck targets designated as 'deconfliction zones'

Clearly some giving the orders here either have a total disregard for the orders given to them, or it's a case of "Fuck Palestinians, we'll do what we want and know team Bibi won't shed any tears for them".
Just like the IDF's assurances that 'everything is being done to ensure the safety of Palestinian civilians during this time', and 'safe zones' are safe, the claims that they are sticking to 'deconfliction' here falls on jaded, disbelieving ears.

On Tuesday, Israel struck a food stand in northern Gaza located between three deconflicted polio vaccination centers, killing five Palestinians, according to Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor. The food stall was as little as tens of meters away from vaccination centers, the group said.

“We have also documented airstrikes in Southern Gaza that similarly undermine the crucial polio vaccination campaign,” Euro-Med Monitor said. “Additionally, Israel’s stopping and interrogating a UN mission yesterday indicate a clear tendency for the IDF to obstruct humanitarian and relief efforts.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=d2f8df7a0b854069f9b6f3a7741f5d27&ei=48