DonOld is a Loser

[dmallord]

The constant bish-bashing of other members has to stop. It's unproductive and harms the reputation of those to do it as well as the site itself.

Masturbation is unproductive and harms people? Seems like an old wive's tale from long ago. If the bashing stopped how would one counter the arguments of an idiot claiming s/he was always correct?

Not going to happen is it? But, thanks for the new vocabulary word: bish-bashing.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Big Giant Twit is going to 'interview' the Giant Orange Toddler.

When is Elon Musk interviewing Donald Trump?​

Musk announced on X that he will be interviewing Trump on Monday, Aug. 12 at 8 p.m. ET.

I will go out on a limb and predict that they will recite the ritual of "Airing of White Grievances" once again.

 

[butters]

Hmm. Doesn’t seem like “fair use” applies:

Using the song at rallies isn’t “criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research”.

The Trump campaign should have licensed the music it wanted to use, instead of just avoiding paying for it. But we know Donald is infamous for not paying what he owes.

https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/

the campaign has ignored REPEATED requests by the family NOT to play this song and continues to do so, anyway, infringing copyright every single time

The constant bish-bashing of other members has to stop. It's unproductive and harms the reputation of those to do it as well as the site itself.

it's not a good look, that's true, but when it comes to Lit's reputation then Lit itself is far more to blame since it has allowed its reputation to slip badly by not being more active on permanently banning users who promote violence, racist propaganda and deliberate misinformation.

 

[jaF0]

Masturbation is unproductive and harms people? Seems like an old wive's tale from long ago. If the bashing stopped how would one counter the arguments of an idiot claiming s/he was always correct?

Not going to happen is it? But, thanks for the new vocabulary word: bish-bashing.

Discuss/counter the point.

Do not attack the poster.

You only belittle yourself.

 

[Aglaopheme]

When is Elon Musk interviewing Donald Trump?​

Musk announced on X that he will be interviewing Trump on Monday, Aug. 12 at 8 p.m. ET.

I will go out on a limb and predict that they will recite the ritual of "Airing of White Grievances" once again.

Fuentes is doing his “thing” at the exact same time.

 

[butters]

When is Elon Musk interviewing Donald Trump?​

Musk announced on X that he will be interviewing Trump on Monday, Aug. 12 at 8 p.m. ET.

I will go out on a limb and predict that they will recite the ritual of "Airing of White Grievances" once again.

two people i cannot stand, so won't be watching... musk will no doubt toss in a couple 'controversial' questions in a weak attempt to appear as if he's holding trump accountable when he's really just seeking to boost activity on X

he's already bought trump's obedience, so won't go too hard on the baby

 

[dmallord]

Discuss/counter the point.

Do not attack the poster.

You only belittle yourself.

We should put that up in front of every thread with some sort of enforcement if it is to be followed. Clearly, I read threads where rarely anyone adheres to that concept.

If monitored it would kill the 'free spirit' or a need to froth at the mouth for a number of denizens here. Where would one go for entertainment?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Discuss/counter the point.

Do not attack the poster.

You only belittle yourself.

The health of a message board like this depends upon participants posting in good faith. When someone deliberately posts misinformation to "punk" other posters they should be called out for it.

 

[jaF0]

We should put that up in front of every thread with some sort of enforcement if it is to be followed. Clearly, I read threads where rarely anyone adheres to that concept.

If monitored it would kill the 'free spirit' or a need to froth at the mouth for a number of denizens here. Where would one go for entertainment?

The health of a message board like this depends upon participants posting in good faith. When someone deliberately posts misinformation to "punk" other posters they should be called out for it.

And that is where a Moderator comes in. Repeated posts in bad faith, re-posting information that has been proven incorrect would fall under 'spamming and disruptive behavior' and would be removed.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And that is where a Moderator comes in. Repeated posts in bad faith, re-posting information that has been proven incorrect would fall under 'spamming and disruptive behavior' and would be removed.

Lol, you can try to deny it all you want, but;

YOU GOT PUNKED

YOU
GOT
PUNKED

YOU
GOT
PUNKED

YOU
GOT
PUNKED

Denial isn't going to change that. Being stupid and thinking others aren't laughing at you for it, won't change that either.

YOU GOT PUNKED

 

[jaF0]

Is there a question in there somewhere?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Is there a question in there somewhere?

HisArpy has repeatedly bragged about "punking" other posters. Is that not an example of "disruptive behavior"?

 

[jaF0]

Yes, but until or unless @Laurel assigns a Moderator here, little can be done. I've been after her for over a year to do something, but so far, nothing.


The best way is to simply disregard him and others like him. Replying to them only eggs them on. You're giving them the credibility and attention they crave.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Yes, but until or unless @Laurel assigns a Moderator here, little can be done. I've been after her for over a year to do something, but so far, nothing.


The best way is to simply disregard him and others like him. Replying to them only eggs them on. You're giving them the credibility and attention they crave.

"Don't feed the trolls" never works. What does work is spoiling their fun--making them own their words.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes, but until or unless @Laurel assigns a Moderator here, little can be done. I've been after her for over a year to do something, but so far, nothing.


The best way is to simply disregard him and others like him. Replying to them only eggs them on. You're giving them the credibility and attention they crave.

An alternate point of view
https://i.imgur.com/At0CPcd.png

 

[Bn2f]

"Don't feed the trolls" never works. What does work is spoiling their fun--making them own their words.

Agreed!
Harris/Walz are overseeing an unprecedented sea change in political fortune in part because many independents and democratic supporters are seeing a leadership willing to confront lies. It’s a plus that they are doing this describing themselves as ‘happy warriors’ and attacking with the promise of hope.

 

[Rotadom]

Is there a question in there somewhere?

Yes, it's, "Will you please shut your hole and quit trying to be a fascist board mod?"

 

[Aglaopheme]

Harpy may be a lot of things, but he is not a troll.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Discuss/counter the point.

Do not attack the poster.

You only belittle yourself.

Harpy and I were having a civil discussion about music licensing as it relates to the Trump campaign, and then you derailed the thread with your comment about “bish-bashing.”

I’m still not clear what bish-bashing means. It doesn’t appear to be a thing that people say.

 

[Rotadom]

Harpy may be a lot of things, but he is not a troll.

This is a hot take and creates an interesting conundrum.

If HisArpy is a troll, that means he knowingly brings lies and bullshit into arguments just to rile people up.

If he's not a troll, that means he really is as misinformed and ignorant as he's appeared for the last decade.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

This is a hot take and creates an interesting conundrum.

If HisArpy is a troll, that means he knowingly brings lies and bullshit into arguments just to rile people up.

If he's not a troll, that means he really is as misinformed and ignorant as he's appeared for the last decade.

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It would be so easy for HisArpy to say "yeah, that carbon water thing was really stupid! I got it totally wrong!" and then it would be over. But he can't do that, because he can't admit that he might be wrong about anything--ever. So he doubles down and claims he was deliberately trolling.

 

[Rotadom]

It would be so easy for HisArpy to say "yeah, that carbon water thing was really stupid! I got it totally wrong!" and then it would be over. But he can't do that, because he can't admit that he might be wrong about anything--ever. So he doubles down and claims he was deliberately trolling.

He's never knowingly trolled a day in his life. The carbon incident is just one of many.

 

[HisArpy]

I did the Google search. You’re wrong.

Nonprofits are not exempt from music licensing requirements.



A Guide for Non-Profits on Using Copyrighted Music

Time for you to stop lying about the law.

I see you did manage to ask Mr. Google. And then skimmed the very first result to arrive and the same conclusion you had at the beginning.

Very telling.

Yet you somehow missed the other results which all give a better overall picture of copyright law as well as fair use laws.

Anyone can use copyrighted materials IF they obey the rules regarding exceptions. Those rules apply to everyone.

For instance (don't click the linky if you're on a cellphone):

https://www.copyright.gov/title17/title17.pdf#Circular 92 2023 FINAL with Cover December 2022.indd:.135146:95342

(d) Limitations on Exclusive Right.—Notwithstanding the provisions
of section 106(6)— (1) Exempt transmissions and retransmissions.—The performance of a sound recording publicly by means of a digital audio transmission, other than as a part of an interactive service, is not an infringement of section 106(6) if the performance is part of—

(A) a nonsubscription broadcast transmission;

IF the Trump rally is using the recording for a "nonsubscription broadcast transmission" then they're exempt under section 114 of US copyright law.

Then there's the issue of fair use:

§ 107 · Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106 A , the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include— (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes...

Trump's campaign is a non profit and the music is not being played for commercial purposes and is being used in part for nonprofit educational purposes of informing the public on current social issues.

This means the use is EXEMPT because of the nonprofit status and use of the material.


Further, usually the vendor (local business establishment) obtains the license to play copyrighted music and pays the royalties from the monies they receive from those who lease the space.

In such cases, the artist cannot demand that the lessee not play their music because it is the vendor who has obtained a license to do so and under that license may play the copyrighted material at any point as long as they pay the royalties. For the artist to demand the vendor to cease and desist would be a breach of contract for which the artist would be subject to legal penalties.

Which of the above situations would apply depends on a lot of factors you haven't taken into account. I'm positive that Trump's organization has done that because this isn't the first time an artist has demanded that Trump cease and desist and yet Trump still plays the music at his rallies.

In the end, copyright law is complex and there are many many nuances you're not going to get from a fast search on the internet. If you rely on blogs and simple summaries which only skim the surface you're going to get yourself in trouble very quickly.

 

[HisArpy]

He just can’t help himself and will post drivel for days to defend an incorrect stance he’s taken, again.

I’m guessing Harpy has never been involved in running a campaign event, or a nonprofit organization event in his entire life.


Dude, not you Rob, take a hike. <3

Someone threatening to sue doesn't mean they have a viable case.

 

[HisArpy]

For a purported "member in good standing of the California bar" he seems quite ill-informed on copyright issues.

*nods*

For someone who's been on Lit for as long as you have, you seem to be stupid.