Abortion- Unexpected results

[Ramone45]

It baffles me why there needs to be any law at all on Abortion. Why not let every individual woman directly affected make her own decision with whomsoever she chooses to consult. The decisions of minors will be dealt with in the ordinary context of Parents/Guardians.

Politicians and lawyers add absolutely nothing except hate and division. It should be an entirely personal matter of freedom of the individual, without any interference from politics or the law.

Then why have a law on Murder? It should be up to the person directly affected to make their own decision to kill someone who is making their life inconvenient.

 

[ll74]

Then why have a law on Murder? It should be up to the person directly affected to make their own decision to kill someone who is making their life inconvenient.

Abortion isn't murder.

 

[Ramone45]

Why? They know just as well that they have no proof of a soul.

From a scientific perspective, it is interesting how unique people are with the same basic makeup, but a gap in explanation is not proof of something else.

It makes me sad that you don't feel the existence of our souls.There is no difference between Atheists and Believers. Atheists also reach a point where they can't explain something, so they just "believe" it. There has never been a creation without a creator. There is a God and there is a Soul. Life, and the embodiment the Soul occurs at conception

 

[ll74]

It makes me sad that you don't feel the existence of our souls.There is no difference between Atheists and Believers. Atheists also reach a point where they can't explain something, so they just "believe" it. There has never been a creation without a creator. There is a God and there is a Soul. Life, and the embodiment the Soul occurs at conception

Abortion doesn't involve souls

 

[Ramone45]

Abortion doesn't involve souls

Oh, man. It involves SO many souls.

 

[ll74]

Oh, man. It involves SO many souls.

It does not.

Souls don't exist

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Then why have a law on Murder? It should be up to the person directly affected to make their own decision to kill someone who is making their life inconvenient.

A person who advocates for killing someone who they find “ inconvenient” has no standing to argue morality. You’re proven that you’re evil and everything you say is worthless.

 

[dmallord]

There is no proof whatsoever those laws would prevent global warming.

No proof that Carbon Water is related to global warming either. But if you don't drink any of it, you wouldn't have to test out the consequences either.

We have some evidence that health is related to global pollution. If a law could reduce global pollution, why not give humanity a chance to try living better? It wouldn't hurt to try. Let's think a hundred years ahead, and if it didn't work out, we could go back to coal-fired furnaces. The coal would still be there. Not like it goes stale in less than a million years or so.

 

[SmokingFap]

He's more than willing to lie to himself as long as it gets him the attention he craves but can't get anywhere other than on the internet.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[SmokingFap]

It makes me sad that you don't feel the existence of our souls.There is no difference between Atheists and Believers. Atheists also reach a point where they can't explain something, so they just "believe" it. There has never been a creation without a creator. There is a God and there is a Soul. Life, and the embodiment the Soul occurs at conception

It makes me laugh that adults still believe in fairy tales.

 

[colddiesel]

There has never been a creation without a creator. There is a God and there is a Soul. Life, and the embodiment the Soul occurs at conception

4 assertions and not one fact to support any of them, just belief and faith. more accurately described as mumbo jumbo. God, Religion, Souls; all complete nonsense sold to the thick heads, sold by con artists called priesthoods.

 

[Ramone45]

A person who advocates for killing someone who they find “ inconvenient” has no standing to argue morality. You’re proven that you’re evil and everything you say is worthless.

Right. Like abortion.

 

[Ramone45]

It does not.

Souls don't exist

I'm drawn to your posts because I am also a Married, Midwesterner who has been a life-long runner. It's remarkable how different two persons with a similar background could be.

 

[ll74]

I'm drawn to your posts because I am also a Married, Midwesterner who has been a life-long runner. It's remarkable how different two persons with a similar background could be.

How awesome for you

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Right. Like abortion.

Abortion isn’t murder. A fetus is not a human being.

 

[HisArpy]

Abortion isn’t murder. A fetus is not a human being.

Correct. But only because abortion has a specific legal exemption from that offense.

Correct. A fetus isn't a human being until it is born alive.

Change either of those and you have a whole 'nother story.

 

[ll74]

Correct. But only because abortion has a specific legal exemption from that offense.

Yes, that being that murder cannot occur during pregnancy.

Correct. A fetus isn't a human being until it is born alive.

Change either of those and you have a whole 'nother story.

There are laws which designate murder of a pregnant woman as homicide of the fetus as well. This makes absolute sense as a pregnant woman intending to carry a pregnancy to birth is having her life and will taken away.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Correct. But only because abortion has a specific legal exemption from that offense.

Correct. A fetus isn't a human being until it is born alive.

Change either of those and you have a whole 'nother story.

Thank you for confirming that I’m right.

 

[HisArpy]

Yes, that being that murder cannot occur during pregnancy.

There are laws which designate murder of a pregnant woman as homicide of the fetus as well. This makes absolute sense as a pregnant woman intending to carry a pregnancy to birth is having her life and will taken away.

Which begs the question; how can one be murder but the other not?

The answer is because ABORTION has a specific and limited exemption from murder (actually it's exempt from being homicide in all categories).

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Which begs the question; how can one be murder but the other not?

The answer is because ABORTION has a specific and limited exemption from murder (actually it's exempt from being homicide in all categories).

Murder involves the killing of a human being. Abortion doesn’t.

 

[icanhelp1]

Oh, man. It involves SO many souls.

How the fuck does he know?

 

[icanhelp1]

Correct. But only because abortion has a specific legal exemption from that offense.

Correct. A fetus isn't a human being until it is born alive.

Change either of those and you have a whole 'nother story.

It would seem that our laws protect the unborn;

UNBORN VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE ACT OF 2004

``(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally
kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of
being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under
sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally killing or
attempting to kill a human being.
``(D) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty
shall not be imposed for an offense under this section.
``(b) The provisions referred to in subsection (a) are the
following:

 

[ll74]

It would seem that our laws protect the unborn;

UNBORN VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE ACT OF 2004

``(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally
kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of
being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under
sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally killing or
attempting to kill a human being.
``(D) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty
shall not be imposed for an offense under this section.
``(b) The provisions referred to in subsection (a) are the
following:

Do you understand the difference here in terms of abortion?

 

[ll74]

Which begs the question; how can one be murder but the other not?

Yes, I get that you don't understand a woman's choice.

The answer is because ABORTION has a specific and limited exemption from murder (actually it's exempt from being homicide in all categories).

The answer is that the woman chooses to have an abortion and in the case of murder, she does not choose

 

[Philthy_Phil]

I'm drawn to your posts because I am also a Married, Midwesterner who has been a life-long runner. It's remarkable how different two persons with a similar background could be.

You do have more than that in common, you're both annoying assholes.