Why Biden Will Win

[ChloeTzang]

Traitor Tater…? We like you speechless.

Note I said "almost speechless," but I have recovered. A shot of coffee, a little music to inspire me once more, and we are back in action......expressing once more the battle cry of freedom

 

[Lazaran]

Good grief. We agree on something. I am speechless. Well, almost speechless. LOL

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang failed to quote my full comment. Here’s the key part Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang omitted:

If those ^ groups want another Trump presidency and all the racism, bigotry, corruption, chaos and perils that come with it, then President Biden should make them own their decision and force them to snub him at the ballot box - just like the Bernie Bros did to Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

 

[ChloeTzang]

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang failed to quote my full comment. Here’s the key part Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang omitted:

LOL. I quoted the part I agree with, Laz.

 

[AlexBailey]

Why? Because Biden had a bad debate and trump supporter news outlets are having a feeding frenzy and you're buying into it?

Did you read your own posts? How do you reconcile your different positions?

Your own word prove that someone who is not biased toward Biden will have legitimate doubts about someone who is old and displaying the cognitive dysfunction he is displaying.

Do you discount what I said about sundowning? Look it up. It’s more than plausible that someone in cognitive decline can have different periods of lucidity - even in the same day.

I judge Biden by what I’ve seen in him, both his words and actions, not because I’ve read someone else’s analysis. Other voters will see that too, but more importantly, he will not be getting better with time. If he were not the candidate you support would you argue that he is fit?

Please be honest. I want to believe in your word.

 

[Lazaran]

He will be the first to admit he is full of shit. He never is serious, everything is a joke to him. And his little boy friend Dull74.

I wouldn’t use the word “admit”, but BabyBoobs IS fairly transparent with their LYING and GASLIGHTING.

BabyBoobs comes thiiiiiis close to “admitting” to their bullshit MAGAt agenda in EVERY post.



BabyBoobs

 

[AlexBailey]

LOL. I quoted the part I agree with, Laz.

Hey Chloe,

Tell me which of these common tenants of fascism you don’t agree with?


1. **Authoritarian Leadership**: Centralized, dictatorial leadership with a single leader who has absolute power.

2. **Nationalism**: Strong emphasis on national pride and unity, often to the exclusion or detriment of other nations or cultures.

3. **Militarism**: Advocacy for a strong military and the use of military force to achieve national goals.

4. **Totalitarian Control**: Government control over many aspects of life, including the economy, education, and media.

5. **Suppression of Dissent**: Silencing or eliminating opposition through censorship, imprisonment, or violence.

6. **Propaganda**: Extensive use of propaganda to control public opinion and promote the regime's ideology.

7. **Anti-Democracy**: Rejection of democratic principles, including free elections and political pluralism.

8. **Corporatism**: Collaboration between the state and large businesses, often at the expense of individual and workers' rights.

9. **Cult of Tradition**: Emphasis on traditional values and a return to a perceived glorious past.

10. **Anti-Communism**: Strong opposition to socialism and communism, often positioning fascism as a bulwark against leftist ideologies.

 

[dkovic77]

I wouldn’t use the word “admit”, but BabyBoobs IS fairly transparent with their LYING and GASLIGHTING.

BabyBoobs comes thiiiiiis close to “admitting” to their bullshit MAGAt agenda in EVERY post.



BabyBoobs

He is so close the measurement matches his…. Well… Dull74 still likes him.

 

[dkovic77]

Note I said "almost speechless," but I have recovered. A shot of coffee, a little music to inspire me once more, and we are back in action......expressing once more the battle cry of freedom

You mean the loser’s anthem! Hope that works out well for you.

Do they let you sing while you drop the baskets of fries?

Maybe you are ready for AGT.

 

[ll74]

But...but....the other guy too ....!!!

Lol..**** to watch

 

[ShandyLeer]

I wouldn’t use the word “admit”, but BabyBoobs IS fairly transparent with their LYING and GASLIGHTING.

BabyBoobs comes thiiiiiis close to “admitting” to their bullshit MAGAt agenda in EVERY post.



BabyBoobs

It’s funny when you accuse other people of gas lighting moments after trotting out your “just one bad debate” horseshit, and claiming a victory when the President gets down the stairs successfully.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Yup, convict and all. Dumb voters they are. You represent them well.

Thanks for the kind words. Proud to speak for the American majority.

 

[adrina]

Did you read your own posts? How do you reconcile your different positions?

Your own word prove that someone who is not biased toward Biden will have legitimate doubts about someone who is old and displaying the cognitive dysfunction he is displaying.

Do you discount what I said about sundowning? Look it up. It’s more than plausible that someone in cognitive decline can have different periods of lucidity - even in the same day.

I judge Biden by what I’ve seen in him, both his words and actions, not because I’ve read someone else’s analysis. Other voters will see that too, but more importantly, he will not be getting better with time. If he were not the candidate you support would you argue that he is fit?

Please be honest. I want to believe in your word.

This is like the reporter who keeps asking the same question.

I am a pragmatist. We are four fucking months out from the election. Historically no one has come out of an open convention as a winner. Never.

If I had my choice Hillary Clinton would have won in 2016 but we had a bellyful of the type of complaints we're getting about Biden. You don't get it. I see you and people like ll handing this election to Trump because of your "feelings". Women can't afford your feelings. We lost Roe, we lost bodily autonomy, we're facing a national abortion ban and president have just been made kings.

Because in 2016 some white men got all up in their feelings.

You want to believe in my word? That's precious. I want to believe in a country where people fight for it. Because they're citizens and have responsibilities that they shoulder - like being involved, informed and voting. Teaching their children that if they don't vote they better shut the fuck up sit back and take what they get. Because that's exactly what happens to a nation of non-voters.

I want to believe in a country where people don't fucking panic and then throw the whole goddamn ball game away because they need a superhero for a president. There's a whole lot to be said about that. You people and your need for a goddamn savior.

I would love to have someone younger. But frankly we've got a bunch of precious fucking snow flakes who never learned that voting is power. That never learned that the price of citizenship is voting. So now we have some hard decisions to make. Our candidates are two old men - one who should be resting with his family and one who should be in jail or the looney bin.

You want to know if I think Biden is able? Of course he is. Is he the best? Likely not. But he's the one we've got and it's time to put this bullshit away. If he dies then we get Harris anyway. Yeah. That's the pragmatism women and those who don't have the luxury to get the willies face every single day.

What else can women and minorities afford to lose? Because people think the presidency is supposed to be filled by Superman. If I were to go hard in on the metaphor, I'd call you guys the Legion of Doom.

What I am is sick and tired of this bullshit.

We've got a nation of spineless cowards.

Is that enough for you? Or do you need to tell me I'm making shit up and then instead of actually answering me leaping in for some kind of purity test.

You're worried about my word and credibility. Fucking hilarious. Get your priorities straight.

 

[Lazaran]

It’s funny when you accuse other people of gas lighting moments after trotting out your “just one bad debate” horseshit

Point out a SINGLE example of President Biden having a TRULY bad performance other than that ONE bad DEBATE performance.

I’ll wait.

, and claiming a victory when the President gets down the stairs successfully.

I claim "victory" when President Biden bounces back THE VERY NEXT DAY after that IONE bad DEBATE performance and gives a rousing, energetic speech, and then follows that up by competently answering questions about critical global foreign policy issues for an hour, while simultaneously being harangued about tangential matters.



Expanding NATO, building a coalition to support Ukraine, and striking a delicate balance with the Israel -Gaza crisis is also a "victory" in my book.



Averting an economic collapse and outperforming ALL expectations when it comes to passing historically significant legislation is a “victory” in my book as well.



I would have liked President Biden to have been able to claim "victory" on immigration and the border by signing that BIPARTISAN bill, but Trump and the MAGAts SABOTAGED that opportunity. President Biden CAN claim "victory" for his EO that shut down the border in the wake of Trump’s and the MAGAts’ SABOTAGE effort.



The worst stretch of President Biden’s term was directly related to an insane schedule that should never have been approved.

Lesson learned.

Next.

 

[AlexBailey]

This is like the reporter who keeps asking the same question.

I am a pragmatist. We are four fucking months out from the election. Historically no one has come out of an open convention as a winner. Never.

If I had my choice Hillary Clinton would have won in 2016 but we had a bellyful of the type of complaints we're getting about Biden. You don't get it. I see you and people like ll handing this election to Trump because of your "feelings". Women can't afford your feelings. We lost Roe, we lost bodily autonomy, we're facing a national abortion ban and president have just been made kings.

Because in 2016 some white men got all up in their feelings.

You want to believe in my word? That's precious. I want to believe in a country where people fight for it. Because they're citizens and have responsibilities that they shoulder - like being involved, informed and voting. Teaching their children that if they don't vote they better shut the fuck up sit back and take what they get. Because that's exactly what happens to a nation of non-voters.

I want to believe in a country where people don't fucking panic and then throw the whole goddamn ball game away because they need a superhero for a president. There's a whole lot to be said about that. You people and your need for a goddamn savior.

I would love to have someone younger. But frankly we've got a bunch of precious fucking snow flakes who never learned that voting is power. That never learned that the price of citizenship is voting. So now we have some hard decisions to make. Our candidates are two old men - one who should be resting with his family and one who should be in jail or the looney bin.

You want to know if I think Biden is able? Of course he is. Is he the best? Likely not. But he's the one we've got and it's time to put this bullshit away. If he dies then we get Harris anyway. Yeah. That's the pragmatism women and those who don't have the luxury to get the willies face every single day.

What else can women and minorities afford to lose? Because people think the presidency is supposed to be filled by Superman. If I were to go hard in on the metaphor, I'd call you guys the Legion of Doom.

What I am is sick and tired of this bullshit.

We've got a nation of spineless cowards.

Is that enough for you? Or do you need to tell me I'm making shit up and then instead of actually answering me leaping in for some kind of purity test.

You're worried about my word and credibility. Fucking hilarious. Get your priorities straight.

Biden needs to step down and Harris needs to step up just as a VP is supposed to.

It’s her time. If Biden was incapacitated today she would be the president. Why wouldn’t you support her as a candidate as the incumbent president? Is it because you think she can’t win or is there another reason? Do you think Biden supporters will choose Trump over Harris?

You were asking about Zs. Mine who all started out as dyed in the wool social democrats, have their own beliefs and experiences they now draw from. My social worker wife and I are neither the strongest nor the loudest influences in their lives. I’m going to visit with them next week, they all live in another state. I’ll let you know what their positions are.

Meanwhile I hope Biden steps down and Harris steps up. She may not poll the best but she has many supporters of her own. All of the people who feel as you do will get behind her, as will the rest who simply don’t want Trump.

 

[adrina]

Biden needs to step down and Harris needs to run.

It’s her time. Why don’t you support her as the candidate? Is it because you think she can’t win or is there another reason? Do you think Biden supporters will choose Trump over Harris?

You were asking about Zs. Mine who all started out as dyed in the wool social democrats, have their own beliefs and experiences they now draw from. My social worker wife and I are neither the strongest nor the loudest influences in their lives. I’m going to visit with them next week, they all live in another state. I’ll let you know what their positions are.

Meanwhile I hope Harris steps up. She may not poll the best but she has many supporters of her own. All of the people who feel as you do will get behind her, as will the rest who simply don’t want Trump.

I think white men won't vote for a woman. Just like they didn't last time. Almost 70%. That's what I know. Men don't trust women to lead. Especially one that isn't white.

I have no problem voting for and supporting a woman. I'd rather have a woman, a democratic woman. But we've got a bunch of those very special very precious men who won't and don't. No matter what. And many of them call themselves independents and democrats.

You know why I knew Biden would win in 2020? Because he was acceptable. Because he was a white man. And lo and behold, he did.

But now he's no longer superman so we're back to buttery males.

Fuck Americans if they can't figure out how to save their own country. Like I said before - I can afford to move. Can they? Most can't.

What the fuck is it with these stupid purity tests. Do you feel better trying to grill me about supporting Kamala? It should be fucking obvious by now that I'd trust a woman over a man. But men don't and last time men got squeamish women lost control of their bodies. Oh, and yeah now America has kings.

Frankly I am beginning to think that men have no business in politics if this is how they behave.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I think white men won't vote for a woman. Just like they didn't last time. Almost 70%. That's what I know. Men don't trust women to lead. Especially one that isn't white.

I have no problem voting for and supporting a woman. I'd rather have a woman, a democratic woman. But we've got a bunch of those very special very precious men who won't and don't. No matter what. And many of them call themselves independents and democrats.

You know why I knew Biden would win in 2020? Because he was acceptable. Because he was a white man. And lo and behold, he did.

But now he's no longer superman so we're back to buttery males.

Fuck Americans if they can't figure out how to save their own country. Like I said before - I can afford to move. Can they? Most can't.

What the fuck is it with these stupid purity tests. Do you feel better trying to grill me about supporting Kamala? It should be fucking obvious by now that I'd trust a woman over a man. But men don't and last time men got squeamish women lost control of their bodies. Oh, and yeah now America has kings.

Frankly I am beginning to think that men have no business in politics if this is how they behave.

Harris can't win either and that really pisses you off. We get it already.

 

[AlexBailey]

I think white men won't vote for a woman. Just like they didn't last time. Almost 70%. That's what I know. Men don't trust women to lead. Especially one that isn't white.

I have no problem voting for and supporting a woman. I'd rather have a woman, a democratic woman. But we've got a bunch of those very special very precious men who won't and don't. No matter what. And many of them call themselves independents and democrats.

You know why I knew Biden would win in 2020? Because he was acceptable. Because he was a white man. And lo and behold, he did.

But now he's no longer superman so we're back to buttery males.

Fuck Americans if they can't figure out how to save their own country. Like I said before - I can afford to move. Can they? Most can't.

What the fuck is it with these stupid purity tests. Do you feel better trying to grill me about supporting Kamala? It should be fucking obvious by now that I'd trust a woman over a man. But men don't and last time men got squeamish women lost control of their bodies. Oh, and yeah now America has kings.

Frankly I am beginning to think that men have no business in politics if this is how they behave.

If Biden is incapacitated Harris becomes the president. There is no discussion, debate, or voting. She is next in line.

As the incumbent president she will be the legitimate candidate, she’ll have the name recognition, the track record, administration, and the funding to lead the Democratic Party.

Is VP a meaningless title because the polls don’t track? No polls have been conducted that could actually determine how the vote would go in this situation. Are you making a judgement call and denying the legitimate order of succession, bypassing a woman in order to be pragmatic?

The county will vote for a woman - Hillary won the popular vote in 2016.

You’re doing the wrong thing for the right reason.

 

[adrina]

If Biden is incapacitated Harris becomes the president. There is no discussion, debate, or voting. She is next in line.

As the incumbent president she will be the legitimate candidate, she’ll have the name recognition, the track record, administration, and the funding to lead the Democratic Party.

Is VP a meaningless title because the polls don’t track? No polls have been conducted that could actually determine how the vote would go in this situation. Are you making a judgement call and denying the legitimate order of succession, bypassing a woman in order to be pragmatic?

Yes if something happens to Biden we get Harris. That's how it works.

I find it interesting how you have the neverending questions but never address any of the realities I've put forward. You don't get to ignore them just because they are inconvenient or make you uncomfortable.

You've questioned my credibility, made psychological manipulative plays about my word and continue to ask the same questions put in a new coat.

If you want to ask questions, then you need to address my points. Otherwise I'm done being interrogated by yet another nervous, indignant, emotional etc pick your poison man.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes if something happens to Biden we get Harris. That's how it works.

I find it interesting how you have the neverending questions but never address any of the realities I've put forward. You don't get to ignore them just because they are inconvenient or make you uncomfortable.

You've questioned my credibility, made psychological manipulative plays about my word and continue to ask the same questions put in a new coat.

If you want to ask questions, then you need to address my points. Otherwise I'm done being interrogated by yet another nervous, indignant, emotional etc pick your poison man.

What are the questions I haven’t addressed in the subject of this thread?

I was explaining the situation as I see it and how I believe it is not only the right, legal, and natural choice, but also it can win 2024. A woman has already won the popular vote - America is ready.

It’s a long stretch to call me a misogynist. Your problem with me isn’t about gender.

What other questions do you have?

 

[adrina]

What are the questions I haven’t addressed in the subject of this thread?

I was explaining the situation as I see it and how I believe it is not only the right, legal, and natural choice, but also it can win 2024. A woman has already won the popular vote - America is ready.

It’s a long stretch to call me a misogynist. Your problem with me isn’t about gender.

What other questions do you have?

I never called you a misogynist. Another sensitivity apparently.

The concerns over getting on the ballot in all 50 states.
The reality that the GOP will fight any candidate transition in court.
The reality that this SCOTUS can't be trusted.
The reality that white men don't vote for women.
The reality that emotional men fucked up 2016 and are doing their damnedest for 2024.

You've put together a bit wish list and keep pushing it along with the narrative that Joe Biden is essentially an incapacitated potato but you won't address the very real logistical barriers to anyone else but Joe Biden. Nor are you even willing to consider any other perspective besides that Joe Biden = vegetable.

 

[jaF0]

Biden needs to step down

So, you're voting for Donny.

It’s her time.

I think we heard that in '16 and pretty much ended up here.

 

[Lazaran]

This:

I find it interesting how you have the neverending questions but never address any of the realities I've put forward.

And then:

What are the questions I haven’t addressed in the subject of this thread?

The realities are what you are failing to address.



adrina (and AOC of course) have outlined / highlighted those realities.

There is no small amount of magical thinking involved if one believes that everything will go smoothly / swimmingly regardless of how President Biden potentially exits the stage between now and the election.



Ultimately: Wouldn’t it just be easier AND safer for all those who claim they would rally behind Kamala and propel her to victory to rally behind the Biden / Harris ticket, and then, when President Biden inevitably falters immediately upon beginning his second term (right?), cheer as Kamala graciously accepts the passing of the torch ???



Bottom line: The Bernie Bros, etc, COULD HAVE easily propelled Hillary Clinton to victory in 2016, and this years version of the Bernie Bros, etc, CAN easily propel the Biden / Harris ticket to victory - IF they WANT TO…and IF they VOTE. The only thing really stopping them is petulance and stubbornness, imho.

 

[AlexBailey]

I never called you a misogynist. Another sensitivity apparently.

You made a point about gendering me. By saying “….yet another nervous, indignant, emotional etc pick your poison man.”

-No big deal but that’s what prompted my comment about not being misogynistic. My gender isn’t an issue here.

The concerns over getting on the ballot in all 50 states.
The reality that the GOP will fight any candidate transition in court.
The reality that this SCOTUS can't be trusted.
The reality that white men don't vote for women.
The reality that emotional men fucked up 2016 and are doing their damnedest for 2024.

I addressed all of these issues except for SCOTUS. Still, an incumbent Harris would make her campaign legal and legitimate.

….. but you won't address the very real logistical barriers to anyone else but Joe Biden.

Who could argue with incumbency?

Nor are you even willing to consider any other perspective besides that Joe Biden = vegetable.

I explained what I believe about Joe’s fitness. I’m not basing my opinion on anyone else’s analysis. I have considered it and addressed it.


I’m not being dismissive about your concerns, only your support and faith in an old man who is showing obvious traits of cognitive decline.

I see decline in Trump too but I never had faith in his fitness. I have great respect for Joe Biden.

 

[jaF0]

I have great respect for Joe Biden.

You don't show it very well.

 

[AlexBailey]

You don't show it very well.

Is it disrespectful to ask an 80 year old who has had a few fender benders to give up their keys?


The transition could be strong, it could restore and inspire support. Trump, the grifting, misogynist frump of a pussy grabbing slob vs the first woman president.

Fuckin’ stick it to Trump! Let a woman beat his ass. People could get behind that. We might flood the polls.