The future is dense, walkable cities.

[BabyBoomer50s]

Wat’s thread is the most popular active thread on the PB. Lots of enthusiasm for firearms discussion and information sharing. IDK or care if BSG posts there or not. I don’t post much there myself but am learning a lot reading posts from folks with tons of firearm knowledge and experience.

 

[AlexBailey]

I live in the rural, as I have said multiple times, and most of the people moving here now are abandoning urban areas like the crime riddled, drug infested, areas that they are. They come from California, Illinois, New York, Michigan, Virginia and more to escape that wonderful urban society.

We don't want you to die, in fact we want you to thrive and stay in your wonderful 15 minute walkable cities and stop land grabbing here in the rural.

A lot of people leave cities and move to rural areas because they can sell their house and buy acreage to retire on. Then when their bodies fail or their spouses die and they need more help and services they move back to urban areas where their essential needs can be met.

 

[Lazaran]

A lot of people leave cities and move to rural areas because they can sell their house and buy acreage to retire on. Then when their bodies fail or their spouses die and they need more help and services they move back to urban areas where their essential needs can be met.

The circle of life…

 

[MajorRewrite]

Pocket neighborhoods are an attractive design option to add to urban places.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Pocket neighborhoods are an attractive design option to add to urban places.

I've been a firefighter/EMT my entire adult life and my first question is where is access for fire apparatus, including ladder trucks and ambulances? If there is no direct access then hoselines will have to be hand laid delaying firefighting activity. As close as these structures are together one on fire could mean losing 2 or more without rapid fire attack. Oh its very nice looking, but the devil is in the details. The way the narrator blithely dismisses access for emergency services is kind of terrifying for me as I know what delays in fire attack and delays in EMS care can bring.

 

[TrailerHitch]

A lot of people leave cities and move to rural areas because they can sell their house and buy acreage to retire on. Then when their bodies fail or their spouses die and they need more help and services they move back to urban areas where their essential needs can be met.

True enough in some cases. My neighbor across the street has a second house on his property where his mother lives. He takes care of her. This kind of arrangement used to be very common with multi-generational family care. Sadly not as common today.

 

[AlexBailey]

I've been a firefighter/EMT my entire adult life and my first question is where is access for fire apparatus, including ladder trucks and ambulances? If there is no direct access then hoselines will have to be hand laid delaying firefighting activity. As close as these structures are together one on fire could mean losing 2 or more without rapid fire attack. Oh its very nice looking, but the devil is in the details. The way the narrator blithely dismisses access for emergency services is kind of terrifying for me as I know what delays in fire attack and delays in EMS care can bring.

How does that compare to a high rise condominium?

 

[TrailerHitch]

How does that compare to a high rise condominium?

Generally high rises have standpipe connections inside the stairwells that firefighters can hook hoses to so they are not stretching lines from the ground up multiple stories for fire attack. As well as access to the building is usually direct so pumping apparatus (engines) and ladder trucks can get close to the building. Ambulances can generally pull up to a main entrance and the crew, with the stretcher and equipment can ride the elevator up to the patient's floor.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I've been a firefighter/EMT my entire adult life and my first question is where is access for fire apparatus, including ladder trucks and ambulances? If there is no direct access then hoselines will have to be hand laid delaying firefighting activity. As close as these structures are together one on fire could mean losing 2 or more without rapid fire attack. Oh its very nice looking, but the devil is in the details. The way the narrator blithely dismisses access for emergency services is kind of terrifying for me as I know what delays in fire attack and delays in EMS care can bring.

Dedicated bus and bike lanes improve emergency response times because the emergency vehicles don’t have to fight their way through traffic.

 

[Chernosoth]

Learn to live a good life with less and be flexible even if you don’t like any of it.

 

[AlexBailey]

Generally high rises have standpipe connections inside the stairwells that firefighters can hook hoses to so they are not stretching lines from the ground up multiple stories for fire attack. As well as access to the building is usually direct so pumping apparatus (engines) and ladder trucks can get close to the building. Ambulances can generally pull up to a main entrance and the crew, with the stretcher and equipment can ride the elevator up to the patient's floor.

The jurisdictions I work in now require sprinklers in all new dwellings, high density or not. I can’t imagine a ‘pocket neighborhood’ wouldn’t have hydrants or pathways or have access that would take any longer than an elevator ride.

I worked as a BLS ambulance attendant for a while. The greatest influence for patient survival was response and travel time which is generally much better in urban communities than in rural areas.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Dedicated bus and bike lanes improve emergency response times because the emergency vehicles don’t have to fight their way through traffic.

No they have to fight busses and bicyclists that won't move.

 

[AlexBailey]

No they have to fight busses and bicyclists that won't move.

And this is why walking communities won’t ever work. Anywhere. Ever.

 

[TrailerHitch]

The jurisdictions I work in now require sprinklers in all new dwellings, high density or not. I can’t imagine a ‘pocket neighborhood’ wouldn’t have hydrants or pathways or have access that would take any longer than an elevator ride.

I worked as a BLS ambulance attendant for a while. The greatest influence for patient survival was response and travel time which is generally much better in urban communities than in rural areas.

Not everywhere requires sprinklers, especially in single family dwellings. In fact that is quite the rarity even today. You would be amazed at how fire protection is the last thing on the mind of many developers. Things like fire hydrants destroy the ambiance of their dream.

Response time in urban areas, where I spent my career as a firefighter deal with other issues. Things like rush hour traffic can stop you dead in your tracks.

 

[TrailerHitch]

And this is why walking communities won’t ever work. Anywhere. Ever.

Oh I know.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No they have to fight busses and bicyclists that won't move.

It’s much easier for a pack of bicyclists to quickly get out of the way of an approaching ambulance than a row of cars.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Not everywhere requires sprinklers, especially in single family dwellings. In fact that is quite the rarity even today. You would be amazed at how fire protection is the last thing on the mind of many developers. Things like fire hydrants destroy the ambiance of their dream.

Response time in urban areas, where I spent my career as a firefighter deal with other issues. Things like rush hour traffic can stop you dead in your tracks.

Rush hour traffic is caused by building cities to prioritize private cars. Cars are bad for emergency response time, not density.

Cramming private cars into cities makes them less safe, but people are so used to things like rush hour traffic that just assume it’s inevitable instead of being a policy choice.

 

[Chernosoth]

Without fossil fuels to run the firetrucks, firefighting will be residents with hoses or just buckets. A fire in one house can destroy a neighborhood, especially in villages with thatched roofs and a fire going all night in every fireplace, so that becomes a civic duty. Failure to respond to a fire has been punished with immediate death in history.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Tempe Micro Estates

Another take on the pocket neighborhood idea.

13 small houses (600 square feet) in Tempe’s Downtown Urban Core. Working with the non-profit land trust, Newtown CDC, these homes were sold to people that earn 80% of AMI (area median income). All of the buyers were first-time homeowners.

A university, shopping, parks, groceries and restaurants are all within a 10 minute walk.

http://www.colabstudio.com/multifamily-tempe-micro-estates/t2mhcoj28slrhl1n41pb6rvpbtkr1k

 

[TrailerHitch]

It’s much easier for a pack of bicyclists to quickly get out of the way of an approaching ambulance than a row of cars.

Easier of course...IF THEY CHOOSE TO, and sometimes they just won't.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Tempe Micro Estates

Another take on the pocket neighborhood idea.

13 small houses (600 square feet) in Tempe’s Downtown Urban Core. Working with the non-profit land trust, Newtown CDC, these homes were sold to people that earn 80% of AMI (area median income). All of the buyers were first-time homeowners.

A university, shopping, parks, groceries and restaurants are all within a 10 minute walk.

http://www.colabstudio.com/multifamily-tempe-micro-estates/t2mhcoj28slrhl1n41pb6rvpbtkr1k

If you like living in a house smaller than the family room in my house hurray for you. Not my thing but more power to you.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Easier of course...IF THEY CHOOSE TO, and sometimes they just won't.

What do ambulances do when drivers refuse to pull over to let them pass?

 

[TrailerHitch]

What do you think we do? We sure as hell don't run them over. Continuously siren and air horn usage until they move or we can go around them

 

[AlexBailey]

What do you think we do? We sure as hell don't run them over. Continuously siren and air horn usage until they move or we can go around them

So you’re saying that the reason walking communities won’t work is because of the problems you have with contemporary communities.

Your arguments are myopic.

 

[AlexBailey]

Without fossil fuels to run the firetrucks, firefighting will be residents with hoses or just buckets. A fire in one house can destroy a neighborhood, especially in villages with thatched roofs and a fire going all night in every fireplace, so that becomes a civic duty. Failure to respond to a fire has been punished with immediate death in history.

Do you honestly believe firetrucks can’t be electric?