The future is dense, walkable cities.

[Curious4more2020]

I realize that is the topic and was curious to see what it was about… In doing so like I said the comparisons between both had been mentioned and I’m sure more so then what I came across but I’m not wasting any more of time to even go look at more… it’s a grand idea only if only everyone can be civil and get along… That should be be the most important factor in this idea in my opinion… Then many other factors have to be fall in place to achieve a successful city like so… it’s possible for sure and I believe it will happen in many places probably in the next 10 to 20 years…with removing as many cars as you would like to see happen is not ever going to happen not in any of our lifetimes as the oil industry and all sides of politicians are married to the profits and power of oil consumption… yes even those ones that preach green independence are lying to you for votes… If you think they are whole hearted in doing so then they won you over already…

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I realize that is the topic and was curious to see what it was about… In doing so like I said the comparisons between both had been mentioned and I’m sure more so then what I came across but I’m not wasting any more of time to even go look at more… it’s a grand idea only if only everyone can be civil and get along… That should be be the most important factor in this idea in my opinion… Then many other factors have to be fall in place to achieve a successful city like so… it’s possible for sure and I believe it will happen in many places probably in the next 10 to 20 years…with removing as many cars as you would like to see happen is not ever going to happen not in any of our lifetimes as the oil industry and all sides of politicians are married to the profits and power of oil consumption… yes even those ones that preach green independence are lying to you for votes… If you think they are whole hearted in doing so then they won you over already…

You're correct that the oil and automobile industries are heavily invested in insuring that Americans remain dependent on cars. Even electric cars are bad for cities but auto makers continue to lobby to have them subsidized. We should take the money we're spending on charging stations and redirect it to building trains and protected bike lanes.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Dense walkable cities is part of the future,

Up until the late 1890's cities were dense and walkable. The change was the advent of the horseless carriage you dumb fuck.

 

[TrailerHitch]

I wonder why people who live out in the countryside are so defensive? We’re discussing cities and they keep dropping in to rant “I love my 500 acres and I hope all of you elite city types DIE!”

Do you think rampant paranoia is a side effect of isolation? Or have generations of outmigration from farms to cities left only the mentally ill in rural places?

It’s a mystery.

I live in the rural, as I have said multiple times, and most of the people moving here now are abandoning urban areas like the crime riddled, drug infested, areas that they are. They come from California, Illinois, New York, Michigan, Virginia and more to escape that wonderful urban society.

We don't want you to die, in fact we want you to thrive and stay in your wonderful 15 minute walkable cities and stop land grabbing here in the rural.

 

[TrailerHitch]

If people want to talk about the virtues of rural living they should start their own thread instead posting off-topic rants in my thread about urban density.

Why? You fucking hypocrites went into a positive topic about firearms and turned it into a shit show. Funny how you hate when someone deflects your topics but love to do it in ones you despise.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Why? You fucking hypocrites went into a positive topic about firearms and turned it into a shit show. Funny how you hate when someone deflects your topics but love to do it in ones you despise.

Show us a post from Wat's thread where BSG comments? Or are you just projecting again? It's just your war cry against your betters, one might say.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Wat’s thread is the most popular active thread on the PB. Lots of enthusiasm for firearms discussion and information sharing. IDK or care if BSG posts there or not. I don’t post much there myself but am learning a lot reading posts from folks with tons of firearm knowledge and experience.

 

[AlexBailey]

I live in the rural, as I have said multiple times, and most of the people moving here now are abandoning urban areas like the crime riddled, drug infested, areas that they are. They come from California, Illinois, New York, Michigan, Virginia and more to escape that wonderful urban society.

We don't want you to die, in fact we want you to thrive and stay in your wonderful 15 minute walkable cities and stop land grabbing here in the rural.

A lot of people leave cities and move to rural areas because they can sell their house and buy acreage to retire on. Then when their bodies fail or their spouses die and they need more help and services they move back to urban areas where their essential needs can be met.

 

[Lazaran]

A lot of people leave cities and move to rural areas because they can sell their house and buy acreage to retire on. Then when their bodies fail or their spouses die and they need more help and services they move back to urban areas where their essential needs can be met.

The circle of life…

 

[MajorRewrite]

Pocket neighborhoods are an attractive design option to add to urban places.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Pocket neighborhoods are an attractive design option to add to urban places.

I've been a firefighter/EMT my entire adult life and my first question is where is access for fire apparatus, including ladder trucks and ambulances? If there is no direct access then hoselines will have to be hand laid delaying firefighting activity. As close as these structures are together one on fire could mean losing 2 or more without rapid fire attack. Oh its very nice looking, but the devil is in the details. The way the narrator blithely dismisses access for emergency services is kind of terrifying for me as I know what delays in fire attack and delays in EMS care can bring.

 

[TrailerHitch]

A lot of people leave cities and move to rural areas because they can sell their house and buy acreage to retire on. Then when their bodies fail or their spouses die and they need more help and services they move back to urban areas where their essential needs can be met.

True enough in some cases. My neighbor across the street has a second house on his property where his mother lives. He takes care of her. This kind of arrangement used to be very common with multi-generational family care. Sadly not as common today.

 

[AlexBailey]

I've been a firefighter/EMT my entire adult life and my first question is where is access for fire apparatus, including ladder trucks and ambulances? If there is no direct access then hoselines will have to be hand laid delaying firefighting activity. As close as these structures are together one on fire could mean losing 2 or more without rapid fire attack. Oh its very nice looking, but the devil is in the details. The way the narrator blithely dismisses access for emergency services is kind of terrifying for me as I know what delays in fire attack and delays in EMS care can bring.

How does that compare to a high rise condominium?

 

[TrailerHitch]

How does that compare to a high rise condominium?

Generally high rises have standpipe connections inside the stairwells that firefighters can hook hoses to so they are not stretching lines from the ground up multiple stories for fire attack. As well as access to the building is usually direct so pumping apparatus (engines) and ladder trucks can get close to the building. Ambulances can generally pull up to a main entrance and the crew, with the stretcher and equipment can ride the elevator up to the patient's floor.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I've been a firefighter/EMT my entire adult life and my first question is where is access for fire apparatus, including ladder trucks and ambulances? If there is no direct access then hoselines will have to be hand laid delaying firefighting activity. As close as these structures are together one on fire could mean losing 2 or more without rapid fire attack. Oh its very nice looking, but the devil is in the details. The way the narrator blithely dismisses access for emergency services is kind of terrifying for me as I know what delays in fire attack and delays in EMS care can bring.

Dedicated bus and bike lanes improve emergency response times because the emergency vehicles don’t have to fight their way through traffic.

 

[AlexBailey]

Generally high rises have standpipe connections inside the stairwells that firefighters can hook hoses to so they are not stretching lines from the ground up multiple stories for fire attack. As well as access to the building is usually direct so pumping apparatus (engines) and ladder trucks can get close to the building. Ambulances can generally pull up to a main entrance and the crew, with the stretcher and equipment can ride the elevator up to the patient's floor.

The jurisdictions I work in now require sprinklers in all new dwellings, high density or not. I can’t imagine a ‘pocket neighborhood’ wouldn’t have hydrants or pathways or have access that would take any longer than an elevator ride.

I worked as a BLS ambulance attendant for a while. The greatest influence for patient survival was response and travel time which is generally much better in urban communities than in rural areas.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Dedicated bus and bike lanes improve emergency response times because the emergency vehicles don’t have to fight their way through traffic.

No they have to fight busses and bicyclists that won't move.

 

[AlexBailey]

No they have to fight busses and bicyclists that won't move.

And this is why walking communities won’t ever work. Anywhere. Ever.

 

[TrailerHitch]

The jurisdictions I work in now require sprinklers in all new dwellings, high density or not. I can’t imagine a ‘pocket neighborhood’ wouldn’t have hydrants or pathways or have access that would take any longer than an elevator ride.

I worked as a BLS ambulance attendant for a while. The greatest influence for patient survival was response and travel time which is generally much better in urban communities than in rural areas.

Not everywhere requires sprinklers, especially in single family dwellings. In fact that is quite the rarity even today. You would be amazed at how fire protection is the last thing on the mind of many developers. Things like fire hydrants destroy the ambiance of their dream.

Response time in urban areas, where I spent my career as a firefighter deal with other issues. Things like rush hour traffic can stop you dead in your tracks.

 

[TrailerHitch]

And this is why walking communities won’t ever work. Anywhere. Ever.

Oh I know.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No they have to fight busses and bicyclists that won't move.

It’s much easier for a pack of bicyclists to quickly get out of the way of an approaching ambulance than a row of cars.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Not everywhere requires sprinklers, especially in single family dwellings. In fact that is quite the rarity even today. You would be amazed at how fire protection is the last thing on the mind of many developers. Things like fire hydrants destroy the ambiance of their dream.

Response time in urban areas, where I spent my career as a firefighter deal with other issues. Things like rush hour traffic can stop you dead in your tracks.

Rush hour traffic is caused by building cities to prioritize private cars. Cars are bad for emergency response time, not density.

Cramming private cars into cities makes them less safe, but people are so used to things like rush hour traffic that just assume it’s inevitable instead of being a policy choice.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Tempe Micro Estates

Another take on the pocket neighborhood idea.

13 small houses (600 square feet) in Tempe’s Downtown Urban Core. Working with the non-profit land trust, Newtown CDC, these homes were sold to people that earn 80% of AMI (area median income). All of the buyers were first-time homeowners.

A university, shopping, parks, groceries and restaurants are all within a 10 minute walk.

http://www.colabstudio.com/multifamily-tempe-micro-estates/t2mhcoj28slrhl1n41pb6rvpbtkr1k

 

[TrailerHitch]

It’s much easier for a pack of bicyclists to quickly get out of the way of an approaching ambulance than a row of cars.

Easier of course...IF THEY CHOOSE TO, and sometimes they just won't.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Tempe Micro Estates

Another take on the pocket neighborhood idea.

13 small houses (600 square feet) in Tempe’s Downtown Urban Core. Working with the non-profit land trust, Newtown CDC, these homes were sold to people that earn 80% of AMI (area median income). All of the buyers were first-time homeowners.

A university, shopping, parks, groceries and restaurants are all within a 10 minute walk.

http://www.colabstudio.com/multifamily-tempe-micro-estates/t2mhcoj28slrhl1n41pb6rvpbtkr1k

If you like living in a house smaller than the family room in my house hurray for you. Not my thing but more power to you.