State of the Union Address Thread

[dmallord]

You guys are a little harsh on Katie Britt. In her favour, the Junior Senator from Alabama at least saved the nation from a rebuttal by the Senior Senator from Alabama. A small mercy, but it could have been much worse.

Perhaps. Still her pandering speech brought some of this on. Consider that the Republicans had to put up some sacrificial lamb in the spot light to take this kind of expected heat. They picked a first term congressperson, a young forty-year-old mom who prays at the dinner table for guidance with her husband and whose parents ran small businesses.

Nearly every point she made about Biden's badness and inactions were addressed in his speech moments before with a positive plan to address the issues. You'll note she didn't put forth any way on how her party would fix those issues. Just dire warnings of impending doom.

As a junior lady in congress, what she had to say will quickly and quietly fade into the background as candidate Trump sweeps into the next stages of his smear campaign.

She'll survive and prayerfully seek further assistance. I feel good about her children having a good American nation in which to grow up. She and her husband represent good bedrock upper-middle-class educated Americans. Meanwhile she fulfilled her role in the counterpoints against Biden's strong and vibrant delivery of a great State of the Union Address [though a little too political.]

 

[Bn2f]

I will say that Republican primary debates are circled on my calendar as a comedy hour. This year was kindofa disappointment in hilarity only because trump decided not to grace the stage with his stupidity. Thank God that a Republican rebuttal to a Democratic president’s State of the Union address never disappoints.

 

[dmallord]

From Politico:

“He should have said ‘undocumented,’” Rep. NANCY PELOSI (D-Calif.) told CNN afterwards. Rep. JOAQUIN CASTRO (D-Texas) said it was “dangerously close to language from Donald Trump that puts a target on the backs of Latinos everywhere.” Rep. CHUY GARCIA (D-Ill.) said he was “extremely disappointed.”

“It was painful. And likely off-script,” Las Americas Executive Director MARISA LIMON GARZA texted Playbook last night. “At best, it’s like when my father, a septuagenarian, makes an unintentional gaffe or foible. At worst, it’s a tired, racist trope. Either way, he needs to do better.”

https://www.politico.com/playbook

Nice to get the afterward 'politically today corrections.' Still at my age, I don't put much difference in meanings between being 'undocumented' and 'illegal.'

The guy was 'here' and didn't belong 'here.' He committed murder and will be punished. That some politicians want to get picky over Biden's word choices is uncalled for retoric and heightens and deflects from the fact we need to get the border shit fixed. It may or may not have prevented this tragedy.

 

[Bn2f]

From Politico:

“He should have said ‘undocumented,’” Rep. NANCY PELOSI (D-Calif.) told CNN afterwards. Rep. JOAQUIN CASTRO (D-Texas) said it was “dangerously close to language from Donald Trump that puts a target on the backs of Latinos everywhere.” Rep. CHUY GARCIA (D-Ill.) said he was “extremely disappointed.”

“It was painful. And likely off-script,” Las Americas Executive Director MARISA LIMON GARZA texted Playbook last night. “At best, it’s like when my father, a septuagenarian, makes an unintentional gaffe or foible. At worst, it’s a tired, racist trope. Either way, he needs to do better.”

https://www.politico.com/playbook

To be fair, this particular member highlighted this only to take pleasure in the term being said similar to an elementary student delights in hearing their science teacher say Uranus.

 

[dmallord]

What I personally think about NATO is irrelevant to you spewing partisan propaganda.

What you're doing is akin to saying Trump is an insurrectionist. Until he's been judged to be one, it's nothing more than propaganda. It's the same with your schtick about Republicans and NATO. Until ALL Republican's come out and say, as a national party platform, that the US should get out of NATO, it's nothing more than propaganda designed to invigorate IDIOTS LIKE YOU to repeat the stoopid everywhere you can.

You're a tool.

A lot of us are saying Trump is an insurrectionist. We judge this on seeing his performance and his participation in the various activities surrounding and leading up to that time on J6. It is called the court of public opinion - one that allows individuals to express an 'opinion' outside the actual courtroom activities that will navigate four indictments and some 90+ associated issues. Sure, maybe, he will get his day in court; then we will have some legal judgement and legal basis to say that he is guilty of crimes and not just beliefs based upon informed sources.

Having a reasonably informed opinion does not mean one is an idiot or repeating something stupid. That is reserved for unwavering individuals who, despite, seening the things Trump has done, doesn't at least acknowledge it sure looks damn guilty as charged.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

SOTU Postscript: Biden is asked to respond to members of his party who were triggered by his use of the word “illegals.” Instead of dismissing the asinine reactions to his choice of words, he stumbled and mumbled something that might be interpreted as a mea culpa. Good grief.

As he departed for a campaign trip to Philadelphia, Biden was asked by a journalist if he regretted using the term “illegal.”

He first hesitated saying “well I probably,” before pausing and saying “I don’t” and appearing to start saying the word “regret.” Then he stopped again and said, “Technically not supposed to be here.”
https://apnews.com/article/illegal-biden-backlash-laken-riley-41819b01c3942435f0f862789cd1d0f0

 

[DeluxAuto]

SOTU Postscript: Biden is asked to respond to members of his party who were triggered by his use of the word “illegals.” Instead of dismissing the asinine reactions to his choice of words, he stumbled and mumbled something that might be interpreted as a mea culpa. Good grief.

As he departed for a campaign trip to Philadelphia, Biden was asked by a journalist if he regretted using the term “illegal.”

He first hesitated saying “well I probably,” before pausing and saying “I don’t” and appearing to start saying the word “regret.” Then he stopped again and said, “Technically not supposed to be here.”
https://apnews.com/article/illegal-biden-backlash-laken-riley-41819b01c3942435f0f862789cd1d0f0

https://y.yarn.co/570842cb-bda6-4906-9fad-ad84ae8c887b_text.gif

 

[Rotadom]

https://siouxcountyradio.com/fox-ne...ars-chant-for-biden-after-state-of-the-union/

‘Republican’ ‘View’ host leads ‘four more years’ chant for Biden after State of the Union​

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6348502605112

 

[Lazaran]

Good grief.

I always had BabyBoobs down as a Charlie Brown type…

An evil Charlie Brown who constantly LIES AND GASLIGHTS, and who uses innocent children as political footballs, but still a Charlie Brown.

Maybe more of a “Charlie White”???



BabyBoobs

 

[Lazaran]

Jeffries to Republicans calling Biden speech too political: ‘Get lost; you’re a joke’​

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4519390-jeffries-biden-speech-republicans-get-lost/

And “get lost” can definitely be interpreted as “get the fuck outta here”.

 

[adrina]

Joe Biden's State of the Union Reviewed: 'Unequivocal Success'​

Joe Biden's State of the Union (SOTU) speech garnered positive reviews from a series of experts, and a good reaction from the American public, according to a poll.

Meanwhile, experts said Biden had performed well and put up a strong fight. "So the gloves are off," Mark Shanahan, an associate professor in politics at the University of Surrey in the U.K., told Newsweek. "Joe Biden gave a vigorous, combative performance last night, taking the attack directly to Donald Trump without ever mentioning his name."

Heath Brown, an associate professor of public policy at City University of New York, called Biden a "bulldog" and agreed his speech was combative. He told Newsweek: "Hell of a speech. President Biden literally said 'hell' more often than I could count. He was a bulldog in this SOTU. He was combative, funny, and aggressive. It also was the most pro-union speech I've ever heard from a U.S. president. This clearly was the official launch of his reelection campaign, and a good one at that," Brown added.

Christopher Phelps, a professor of modern American history at the University of Nottingham in the U.K., told Newsweek: "This State of the Union address was a rousing, punchy, highly effective address that will reset Biden's presidential campaign."

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-state-union-reviewed-1877180

 

[YDB95]

Total bullshit, get your facts straight. People should be allowed to keep more of their earnings.

The key word there being earnings, Icanthelpit. Here's a quick and dirty way to look at it: there are people who work for their money, and there are people whose money works for them. While some of the latter may have, at some point, earned some of that money, for the most part they were either born into a fortune or lucked into it. Trump's tax cut overwhelmingly - if not exclusively - benefitted the latter camp. It did not provide any incentive whatsoever for anyone to work harder; it simply let the people who already have far, far more than they will ever need keep an even bigger slice of the pie than the enormous one they already had. And it added a lot to the deficit you claim to care so much about.

And that has happened every time we've cut taxes on the rich, going back to Reagan.

 

[icanhelp1]

The key word there being earnings, Icanthelpit. Here's a quick and dirty way to look at it: there are people who work for their money, and there are people whose money works for them. While some of the latter may have, at some point, earned some of that money, for the most part they were either born into a fortune or lucked into it. Trump's tax cut overwhelmingly - if not exclusively - benefitted the latter camp. It did not provide any incentive whatsoever for anyone to work harder; it simply let the people who already have far, far more than they will ever need keep an even bigger slice of the pie than the enormous one they already had. And it added a lot to the deficit you claim to care so much about.

And that has happened every time we've cut taxes on the rich, going back to Reagan.

Bullshit!! Favorite leftist Marxist talking point. Punish success. We’re a capitalist country where meritocracy breeds success. There are three types of people, people who are go-getters, they invest hard work and capital to make things happen. Then there’s people who are content to ride the coattails of the successful and eke out a comfortable existence, then there’s the lazy less energetic people who look for handouts living off the government teat. Mixed in with the three are the less fortunate whether due to physical handicaps, sick or mentally challenged. Those people deserve to be cared for, we should help them people. Government is not the answer for an individual’s success. People need to hold themselves accountable for the life they live. They can make choices and if they’re bad choices then adjust windage and elevation and start over. Wealth redistribution is a Marxist ideology that is antithetical to our way of life. Big over intrusive government is ruining our republic. We are becoming a nanny state where eventually the takers will out number the makers and givers. Where pretty close to that now.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

 

[YDB95]

Bullshit!! Favorite leftist Marxist talking point. Punish success. We’re a capitalist country where meritocracy breeds success. There are three types of people, people who are go-getters, they invest hard work and capital to make things happen. Then there’s people who are content to ride the coattails of the successful and eke out a comfortable existence, then there’s the lazy less energetic people who look for handouts living off the government teat. Mixed in with the three are the less fortunate whether due to physical handicaps, sick or mentally challenged. Those people deserve to be cared for, we should help them people. Government is not the answer for an individual’s success. People need to hold themselves accountable for the life they live. They can make choices and if they’re bad choices then adjust windage and elevation and start over. Wealth redistribution is a Marxist ideology that is antithetical to our way of life. Big over intrusive government is ruining our republic. We are becoming a nanny state where eventually the takers will out number the makers and givers. Where pretty close to that now.

Someone really needs to have his Ayn Rand novels taken away...

 

[Sean Renaud]

Someone really needs to have his Ayn Rand novels taken away...

Honestly Ayn Rand didn't even believe that tripe. Like the whole point of Atlas Shrugged ultimately was that "wealth redistribution" was working so well that the only solution was to isolate every single go getter and get them out of the system entire PLUS leave a handful behind to actively sabotage the system

 

[coati]

Wealth redistribution is a Marxist ideology that is antithetical to our way of life. Big over intrusive government is ruining our republic. We are becoming a nanny state where eventually the takers will out number the makers and givers. Where pretty close to that now.

Yes! I'm totally against the current state of distributing the wealth to the hogs who have the most lobbyists at the feeding trough. I've had enough of this redistribution of wealth. These major corporations are nothing but takers, exploiting the lower- and middle-class population and then getting their own taxes reduced to nothing.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yes! I'm totally against the current state of distributing the wealth to the hogs who have the most lobbyists at the feeding trough. I've had enough of this redistribution of wealth. These major corporations are nothing but takers, exploiting the lower- and middle-class population and then getting their own taxes reduced to nothing.

We cannot just tax our way out of debt. Taxing the rich just makes everyone poorer. We need fiscally responsible people in government paying for new programs like Ukraine by cutting spending in other areas.


https://www.pgpf.org/expert-views/fiscal-commission/the-debt-crisis-is-here

Dana M. Peterson and Lori Esposito Murray​

November 13, 2023
The outsized U.S. national debt is now $33.6 trillion, and the excessive deficits have reached new highs at $1.7 trillion for the fiscal year — 5.8% of GDP. The cost of servicing this debt due to inflation and rising interest rates is also increasing by $162 billion, reaching $879 billion in FY 2023, approximately the size of the defense budget. The rise in the cost of servicing the debt is the significant challenge, often warned about in the past but now here to stay for at least some time, threatening to crowd out federal spending priorities.

The congressional debate this year over FY2024 spending levels has contributed to an historic collapse of governance in the U.S. Congress, a broken budget process, the brink of a national default, a looming government shutdown, and the potential downgrading of the U.S. credit rating. U.S. global leadership and national security are at risk.

The Debt Crisis is here — not down the road. As a nation, we must act now. An important step — establish a Bipartisan Congressional Committee on Fiscal Responsibility.

While commissions are not silver bullets, there are several main benefits that a bipartisan commission can bring to help address our national debt challenge.

 

[YDB95]

Taxing the rich just makes everyone poorer.

That's not what happened in the US from 1933-1981, and it hasn't happened in any other country that has progressive taxation.

 

[icanhelp1]

That's not what happened in the US from 1933-1981, and it hasn't happened in any other country that has progressive taxation.

The truth about the “jobs act” ; Biden’s excessive spending caused increased inflation changing to the down side the projected growth of its projected trajectory. It’s like Biden purposely increased spending to assure the “jobs act” to appear to people not versed in economics that the cuts favored the wealthy, propaganda pushed by left wing media. Lower tax rates both individual and corporate increased revenues but true to form Dems can’t resist spending.

https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-numbers-are-trumps-tax-cuts-paid

Taxes

The Numbers Are In: Trump’s Tax Cuts Paid Off​

Jun 2, 2022 5 min read

According to economists Tyler Goodspeed and Kevin Hassett, after the 2017 tax cuts, business investment soared 9.4% compared to the pre-tax cuts trend. For corporations, real investment rose 14.2%. Similarly, a 2021 Heritage Foundation report showed the dramatic growth in investment and wages that occurred after the tax cuts. A key driver in the surge in investment was multinational firms who chose to reinvest in U.S. markets instead of offshoring.
Conservatives anticipated the cut in the corporate rate and the allowance of full expensing of capital purchases would drive strong growth in investment. The full expensing provisions allow businesses to immediately deduct the cost of machinery and equipment, instead of following convoluted depreciation schedules lasting up to 20 years.
The reinvestment in America that tax reform spurred paid real dividends for the typical household, increasing their annual rate of income growth tenfold.
Real median household incomes grew by more than $5,000 in 2018 and 2019 alone. By contrast, in the 30 years prior to 2017, real median household income grew by a total of $7,600, or about $250 per year.
Then, starting in 2020, as the economy was roaring along with record high wages, record low unemployment, strong labor force participation, and low inflation, the government’s multitrillion-dollar hyperactive response to the pandemic took the economy and the budget off the rails.
Because of the glut of new spending, the Congressional Budget Office now projects that federal outlays will be more than $9 trillion higher between 2020 and 2029 than it forecast at the start of 2020. Unlike the Trump tax cuts, it appears the final price tag on the recent federal spending binge will be even higher than originally advertised.
All Americans are paying part of that price now in the form of higher inflation.
As of February 2021, the Congressional Budget Office was forecasting 1.9% inflation in 2021 and inflation at or below 2.4% throughout the decade. Instead, after the spending spree, the April 2022 inflation figures showed that Americans are paying 8.3% higher prices than they were a year ago.
If interest rates rise significantly in response to the inflation, then Americans may end up paying the price for the excess spending for many years to come.
Because of the combined effect of increases in interest rates and the debt, by 2032, the forecasts show that the entire economic output of Alaska, Delaware, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, West Virginia, and Wyoming would be insufficient to pay the annual interest on the national debt. That’s 11 states.
The higher interest rates caused by Washington’s overspending will also crowd out business investment and leave workers with lower real wages than they would otherwise have.
Congress and the Biden administration must stop making it harder to do business and work in America. It’s time to reverse our current course and instead double down on pro-growth policies that were working well just over two years ago.
Unfortunately, many of the provisions of the Trump tax cuts are set to expire over the next few years. The capital expensing provisions under current law will gradually expire between 2023 and 2027.
Lawmakers should unapologetically push to permanently extend tax reforms that drive investment and growth in America, while simultaneously plucking the nation’s overdrawn credit card away from their overspending colleagues.
This piece originally appeared in The Daily Signal

 

[Chernosoth]

The address is reading a teleprompter for a while. That doesn't prove mental competence. The writers do the brain work. The pres does the physical work of standing for over an hour, so that can be an achievement for someone his age, but it says nothing about ability to make national decisions. The speech that could have been done by a high school kid, used car salesman, actor, etc. might be better or worse than I expect. I will still wait for the debates to show who still has some marbles.

 

[YDB95]

According to economists Tyler Goodspeed and Kevin Hassett,

Both of whom are former Trump staffers, as you could have learned if you'd done five minutes of research before posting.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The address is reading a teleprompter for a while. That doesn't prove mental competence. The writers do the brain work. The pres does the physical work of standing for over an hour, so that can be an achievement for someone his age, but it says nothing about ability to make national decisions. The speech that could have been done by a high school kid, used car salesman, actor, etc. might be better or worse than I expect. I will still wait for the debates to show who still has some marbles.

Did he really bring up Shrinkflation???

 

[HisArpy]

A lot of us are saying Trump is an insurrectionist. We judge this on seeing his performance and his participation in the various activities surrounding and leading up to that time on J6. It is called the court of public opinion - one that allows individuals to express an 'opinion' outside the actual courtroom activities that will navigate four indictments and some 90+ associated issues. Sure, maybe, he will get his day in court; then we will have some legal judgement and legal basis to say that he is guilty of crimes and not just beliefs based upon informed sources.

Having a reasonably informed opinion does not mean one is an idiot or repeating something stupid. That is reserved for unwavering individuals who, despite, seening the things Trump has done, doesn't at least acknowledge it sure looks damn guilty as charged.

Your personal opinion that Trump is an insurrectionist is as irrelevant as your NATO BS.

 

[HisArpy]

I think you’re a Trump supporter who opposes U.S. membership in NATO.

Whatever you want to think makes no difference to me because you've shown that you can't actually think. Instead you hate and even when there's no reason for your hate to manifest you will create a false basis to justify it.