Trump proposes new anti-vaxx measures for public schools

[JaySecrets]

Belief systems are for believing. The truth is a personal truth, not a societal or governmental one. If you want a theocracy, Iran is available

I fully agree what one believes is not as important as what the truth is. That's why I call CNN a bunch of liars. That's why I call MSNBC a bunch of liars. That's why I call NPR a bunch of liars. Why I call CBS a bunch of liars. That's why I call PBS a bunch of liars. That's why I call the mainstream so-called legacy media a bunch of biased agenda-driven dishonest propaganda spewing state-run media liars. I don't go to them for real information. Listen to them to see how the left is lying and what the propaganda is that they're pushing today. Can I barely do that anymore because they're too predictable.

Real information go outside the mainstream media. Want real information you want real truth? Go out side the legacy media so-called, counts themselves as the gods of information and truth when the fact is they've been caught in so many lies and covered up so many lies it's disgusting.

And no one is calling for a theocracy. What I'm saying is that there are basic values and morals that are historically understood to be right and valuable and the basis of a good society. And the societies that have lived by them have not had nearly the issues we have in today's society. So you really don't know what you're talking about here.

The evidence being presented on my side of the covid panic thing is evidence that was heavily documented. It was warned about by the people presenting the evidence long before stuff went down, And it got buried and hidden by the so-called legacy media. Fauci's ties to everything from the lab in China where the virus came from all the way to his ties where he made millions out of pushing vaccines on people that had not been tested... All of that is provable. There's a paper trail. There are multiple paper trails. So I'm not just presenting beliefs and ideas. I'm presenting actual facts.

Am I going to give all the evidence for those here now? Absolutely not. Certain it's been done ad nauseam in here already and you didn't want to hear a thing that was said. Why would I repeat that process with you when you are willfully ignorant?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I'm trying to engage you on an intellectual and on a fact and information based level.

No you're not. On several occasions I've asked for citations on what you claim. You fail to deliver. Fuck off with self righteous victim hood.

 

[JaySecrets]

No you're not. On several occasions I've asked for citations on what you claim. You fail to deliver. Fuck off with self righteous victim hood.

Who said anything about being a victim. I'm rolling my eyes at the ignorance you are just displaying. I have presented evidence to my positions. You have chosen to look at what I've presented and close your eyes to the clear evidence presented and say it doesn't cover what I'm saying even though it clearly states it in the articles or the resources given themselves.

So your biased lens is blinding you to being able to see another's point of view. That's pretty typical of political discourse today to begin with. And that's pretty pathetic.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I have presented evidence to my positions.

Where? All I've seen are synopsis, and when you are pressed you deflect to "I've spent months on research, I'm not going to explain all that". Well I have some news for you, I'm not about to take your's or anyone else word as fact.

You have chosen to look at what I've presented and close your eyes to the clear evidence presented and say it doesn't cover what I'm saying even though it clearly states it in the articles or the resources given themselves.

Read the above, you've done nothing of the sort.

So your biased lens is blinding you to being able to see another's point of view. That's pretty typical of political discourse today to begin with. And that's pretty pathetic.

No, my eyes are open and I don't take opinions on as facts.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

GaySecrets is at it again.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The traditional childhood vaccinations have been decades old proven safe and effective in preventing those diseases in children. I had Mumps, Measles, and Rubella as a child as did many of my friends. Polio, while not rampant when I was a kid, was still out there and causing mayhem in people's lives. I remember getting the polio vaccine as an oral medicine. These need to stay out there and continue to be administered to school age children.

This anti-vaxx madness is a result of the covid vaccine. People have a serious mistrust and this has allowed the anti-vaxxers to convince people that all vaccines are bad. We don't need to see polio come back with a vengeance because of this stupidity.

The traditional childhood vaccinations at THIS point have been proven for decades but that wasn't always the case.

This anti-vaxx madness is because we didn't slap the shit out of MAGA way back when it was called the TEA Party. There is no good reason to have any mistrust of the Covid Vaccine. NONE. This is what happens when we have decades of people being convinced that science, media and government cannot be trusted.

 

[JaySecrets]

The traditional childhood vaccinations at THIS point have been proven for decades but that wasn't always the case.

This anti-vaxx madness is because we didn't slap the shit out of MAGA way back when it was called the TEA Party. There is no good reason to have any mistrust of the Covid Vaccine. NONE. This is what happens when we have decades of people being convinced that science, media and government cannot be trusted.

People are convinced that what you call science media and the government can't be trusted because politicized, consensus driven science so-called, A media that is in the bag for anything that pushes an agenda of socialism and what they call social justice (that actually comes from statements of actual journalists coming out of the schools that the media figures are being taught at), And a federal government that has become very big and power hungry, they can't be trusted. If you trust them, you're crazy. Reagan put it best when he said the scariest and most dangerous words in the world are Hi. I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The traditional childhood vaccinations at THIS point have been proven for decades but that wasn't always the case.

This anti-vaxx madness is because we didn't slap the shit out of MAGA way back when it was called the TEA Party. There is no good reason to have any mistrust of the Covid Vaccine. NONE. This is what happens when we have decades of people being convinced that science, media and government cannot be trusted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1764316127696703670

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

That you would have a view of parents that assumes that they might be batshit drunk or narcissistic... And then again you would be the one that determines who's crazy or who is narcissistic based on your values.. That's narcissistic on its own. That you would have that view that that assumption is there says more about you and how you view parents and their role than it does anything else. Again, the children belong to the parents. Parents naturally create a community around them and their children as they want their children to be influenced. They create networks that help reinforce what they consider to be positive values and morals. And those parents I reiterate love and care about their kids more than you or society or teachers or government ever will. They know the children better than you or society or teachers or government ever will. You do not know better than the parents. Society does not know better than the parents. Teachers do not know better than the parents. And government definitely does not know better than the parents. The parents rights trump any other influence on the children.

Makes you wonder why every state has some kind of social service to protect kids from parents.

https://www.nationalchildrensallian... reported 452,313,were victimized by a parent.

 

[Sean Renaud]

People are convinced that what you call science media and the government can't be trusted because politicized, consensus driven science so-called, A media that is in the bag for anything that pushes an agenda of socialism and what they call social justice (that actually comes from statements of actual journalists coming out of the schools that the media figures are being taught at), And a federal government that has become very big and power hungry, they can't be trusted. If you trust them, you're crazy. Reagan put it best when he said the scariest and most dangerous words in the world are Hi. I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

ITs not what I call science. Science has always ultimately been consensus driven. That is exactly how it has always worked. People who spread the bullshit you are spreading right here is exactly why we're having this fucking problem. Socialism is net win but really the media does not push that at all. That is a myth the right has put out there with no basis in reality but its easy to convince people it does when you keep pushing the same bullshit and there is no counter point. Not from the media, not from the parties.

What they call social justice? You mostly mean treating people who aren't white males like people. Honestly the push for social justice is limp wristed as fuck to the point that it may as well not exist.

A government in the modern era has to be big. The smaller it is the more fucked up things are. Our government isn't even big enough to protect us. I mean if your argument is what it really is, that we have too much freedom and as it always does it fucks the hell out of the average human being you'd be 100% correct.

Honestly I hope like Hell Biden makes sure that Red States like say Texas know that the the most dangerous words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" and let the Lone Star State and any other solid red state go it the fuck alone until they fall the fuck inline. I'm pretty sure when the locals have to pay the price for people to come from out of state to help bury the dead and its years before they have their infrastructure back up they'll stop this nonsense.

I remember the 2012 Republican nominee debates when it was down to Ron Paul, Perry and I forget who the other two or maybe three were. Perry said there were three departments he wanted to close and he couldn't remember all three but one was FEMA. Then his state caught fucking fire and the next debate he said "Now is not the time to talk about not funding FEMA.

You guys magically know the government can do good when you have disaster or just straight screw the pooch. Then as the last three years and the eight under Obama have proven you make sure nothing gets done so you can claim the government cannot do things well.

 

[coati]

When anti-vaxers croak from communicable diseases, they are quickly forgotten.

 

[Sean Renaud]

When anti-vaxers croak from communicable diseases, they are quickly forgotten.

Yeah but what about people who they are responsible for their deaths various people with immune problems.

 

[LLCox]

China's healthcare system still hasn't found a vaccine that works.

 

[bijedi]

Wading in late here.

If you ignore the public health issues, and look at it from a purely political point of view this is a pretty savvy move. It isn't going to lose the Trump campaign any support from its current constituency. And it has a pretty strong appeal to a significant subset of Biden supporters, namely liberal suburban moms who are against traditional vaccines (e.g. the original anti-vaxxers, pre COVID). What would Biden be able to offer this constituency to offset this policy? I can't think of anything. I don't know if it would peel enough (or even any) Biden voters away, but it is a heads I win, tails you lose proposition for Trump. And, it really is something only Trump could get away with advocating.

 

[coati]

Yeah but what about people who they are responsible for their deaths various people with immune problems.

What can I say? These selfish and ignorant people are destructive when they are still living and quickly forgotten when they croak.

The good news is that they tend to die earlier than the average person.