Do you own your body?

[RandyRebecca]

Nobody cared about abortion until the population became more urban with less kids. On a farm, kids are valued for work. In a city, kids are liabilities that require time off work for childcare. That will be less of an issue as we run out of fossil fuels and become mostly farmers.

The legal right to an abortion must be available everywhere.

 

[jaF0]

If you can't win, cheat.

GOP legislatures in some states seek ways to undermine voters' ability to determine abortion rights​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/abcnews.go.com.icoABC|3 hours ago
Legislative efforts in Missouri and Mississippi are attempting to prevent voters from having a say over abortion rights


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[jaF0]

Remember Freedom Fries?

France’s National Assembly votes on enshrining women’s rights to abortion in French Constitution​

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[Chernosoth]

The legal right to an abortion must be available everywhere.

People who shout for and against reproductive rights are available everywhere. Doctors who do abortions are less common, and may become rare. There may be a rough few years of unavailability of various healthcare services until other healthcare providers are allowed to do what only docs are allowed to do now.

 

[adrina]

People who shout for and against reproductive rights are available everywhere. Doctors who do abortions are less common, and may become rare. There may be a rough few years of unavailability of various healthcare services until other healthcare providers are allowed to do what only docs are allowed to do now.

Only a man can be so cavalier about something they will never experience. Tell that to these women. All 65,000 of them. It may take a while. More are coming.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/24/health/rape-pregnancy-abortion/index.html

Tens of thousands of pregnancies have resulted from rape in states where abortion is not a legal option, researchers estimate in a new study.

In the study, published Wednesday in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine, researchers from Planned Parenthood, Resound Research for Reproductive Health and academic institutions across the US used a combination of federal surveys on crime and sexual violence to estimate that there were about 520,000 rapes that led to 64,565 pregnancies in the time since abortion bans have been enacted in 14 states – ranging by state from four to 18 months ago.

Better get busy telling all these women about their "rough years".

Since this is the way the majority of men think they cannot be trusted. Especially with matters involving women's health.

 

[Chernosoth]

Only a man can be so cavalier about something they will never experience. Tell that to these women. All 65,000 of them. It may take a while. More are coming.

All people, not just women. I have already experienced some degree of that, when I could not get the healthcare I needed during the covid lockdown. While the usual shouters shout, the people who survive and thrive without official and expensive medical services make other arrangements. That is body self ownership in practice.

 

[Familiemom]

Sure i own my body, but i love to share it

 

[adrina]

All people, not just women. I have already experienced some degree of that, when I could not get the healthcare I needed during the covid lockdown. While the usual shouters shout, the people who survive and thrive without official and expensive medical services make other arrangements. That is body self ownership in practice.

So, how do you expect a woman to practice self care to deal with pregnancy via rape or ectopic pregnancy?

We don't restrict access to any medical care like abortion.

 

[Chernosoth]

So, how do you expect a woman to practice self care to deal with pregnancy via rape or ectopic pregnancy?

We don't restrict access to any medical care like abortion.

I expect solutions will emerge from herbalists and other people outside the current healthcare monopoly. Surgery is so often done because the western medical profession evolved through frequent war. It does more for traumatic injuries than chronic conditions. As that system implodes, many conditions will be untreatable, but we will also gain lives that are currently lost through medical malpractice, which may be the third leading cause of death in the US, as of 2016. That may be higher now.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...rs_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

 

[ll74]

I expect solutions will emerge from herbalists and other people outside the current healthcare monopoly. Surgery is so often done because the western medical profession evolved through frequent war. It does more for traumatic injuries than chronic conditions. As that system implodes, many conditions will be untreatable, but we will also gain lives that are currently lost through medical malpractice, which may be the third leading cause of death in the US, as of 2016. That may be higher now.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...rs_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

Herbalists and naturalists are grifters owned by the vitamin industry and supported by fear mongers who hate modern medicine

 

[adrina]

I expect solutions will emerge from herbalists and other people outside the current healthcare monopoly. Surgery is so often done because the western medical profession evolved through frequent war. It does more for traumatic injuries than chronic conditions. As that system implodes, many conditions will be untreatable, but we will also gain lives that are currently lost through medical malpractice, which may be the third leading cause of death in the US, as of 2016. That may be higher now.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...rs_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

Ectopic pregnancies are a surgical emergency.

Herbs won't solve it.

Again how very cavalier.

 

[Chernosoth]

Ectopic pregnancies are a surgical emergency.

Or methotrexate. Since methotrexate and most surgeries will probably disappear from what is left of healthcare, we may need something else.

Whatever professions replace doctors may be mostly women for a few centuries, since reproductive health will be a huge issue of a population that takes a steep drop and long slow partial recovery.

 

[adrina]

Or methotrexate. Since methotrexate and most surgeries will probably disappear from what is left of healthcare, we may need something else.

Whatever professions replace doctors may be mostly women for a few centuries, since reproductive health will be a huge issue of a population that takes a steep drop and long slow partial recovery.

If caught in time. Methotrexate does nothing for a burst fallopian tube.

Look, the reality is that we (read mostly men) have legislated and handled abortion from a perspective of complete ignorance and insecurity. This cavalier attitude must end. The reality is that we have almost 30k rape babies in each of the 14 states which have banned abortion. Less than 10 abortions have taken place in those states.

Unfettered abortion access is crucial.

 

[Lazaran]

If caught in time. Methotrexate does nothing for a burst fallopian tube.

Look, the reality is that we (read mostly men) have legislated and handled abortion from a perspective of complete ignorance and insecurity. This cavalier attitude must end. The reality is that we have almost 30k rape babies in each of the 14 states which have banned abortion. Less than 10 abortions have taken place in those states.

Unfettered abortion access is crucial.

You’re engaging with an absolute fatalist / nihilist. - Their only "solution" is to surrender to their dystopian vision of the inevitable "fall of man", totally discounting / rejecting solutions (both political and scientific) produced by the modern human mind’s ingenuity and sense of propriety.

Ironically, the imbecile you’re engaging with sees promise in primitive "solutions" that were also the product of primitive human minds.

 

[Chernosoth]

Look, the reality is that we (read mostly men) have legislated and handled abortion from a perspective of complete ignorance and insecurity. This cavalier attitude must end.

It definitely will, but at the usual pace of history taking its own sweet time, not demands for instant change on the internet.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...&cvid=0cdc950d484344748ade13f002ee37ec&ei=173

U.S. publisher retracts studies cited by Texas judge in suspending abortion pill's approval​

two studies cited by a texas judge in order to suspend approval for Mifepristone have been withdrawn by publishers on grounds of flawed methodology. This comes less than 2 months before President Biden's case about it is expected to be heard by SCOTUS.

Sage said in its retraction notice that it had independent experts look at the two studies, as well as a third study led by Studnicki, in response to a reader's concern.

The experts found "fundamental problems" that "invalidate the authors' conclusions in whole or in part," according to Sage, which publishes more than 1,000 journals including Health Services Research and Managerial Epidemiology, where the retracted articles appeared.

The publisher also said that the authors' affiliations with the Charlotte Lozier Institute and other anti-abortion organizations should have been disclosed as a conflict of interest, and that one of the original peer reviewers was also affiliated with the institute.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...&cvid=0cdc950d484344748ade13f002ee37ec&ei=173

 

[jaF0]

Collection of bits from AP.

Florida attorney general set to ask state Supreme Court to keep abortion protections off the ballot ​

Which states could have abortion on the ballot in 2024? ​

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South Carolina woman seeks clarity on abortion ban in lawsuit backed by Planned Parenthood

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Tennessee’s strict abortion ban is under pressure, but change is unlikely under GOP control ​

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[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1755735283230716053

 

[jaF0]

Medicaid Ban Proposed for Women Who Have Abortions​

A Republican state senator in Missouri has proposed an amendment seeking to bar women who have had an abortion from receiving Medicaid coverage.



These fools don't seem to understand that the poor have been their biggest supporters, yet they keep trying to hurt them further.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

An herbalist solution to ectopic pregnancy? Good lord...

 

[jaF0]

TexASS thinks it does.


U.S. News // 2 hours ago
Texas tests extending abortion, gender-transition restrictions beyond state lines
Feb. 9 (UPI) -- Recent state and local legal maneuvers signal that Texas' conservative movement could be wading into a complicated Constitutional morass the country hasn't dealt with since before the Civil War.

 

[ll74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1757433077238812724

 

[jaF0]

Missouri high court says Planned Parenthood can receive funding; cites failed appeal by state​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/abcnews.go.com.icoABC|27 minutes ago
The Missouri Supreme Court has upheld a ruling that lawmakers illegally blocked Medicaid funding from going to Planned Parenthood ...

 

[eigenschwarz]

Well... do you?

I'm a man and I don't own my body. It belongs to my family, my employer, and my country. As long as the invisible hand of the market is holding a knife to your throat, you will never be free.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ You are free to leaver your family, your job and move to another country at any time of your choosing.