Do you own your body?

[AlexBailey]

They do though. To use protection or to not engage.

He’s just reinforcing that some guys are ‘those guys’ and he’s one of them.

 

[AlexBailey]

"If you're not prepared to have a kid, don't have vaginal sex". Gotcha.

That's a pretty strong anti abortion argument, but your entitled to your opinion.

Say you don’t understand the difference between “pro choice” and “pro abortion” without saying you don’t know the difference.

 

[adrina]

You could try listening to some rural people, or anyone from a nation that will probably disappear in a few decades because it doesn't have enough kids to sustain the population.

Again, more hysterical hyperbole. The human race isn't in danger of depopulation.

You should try talking to women. You know, the ones being the brood mares you so casually disregard.

 

[adrina]

Ya, so? What's that got to do with the simple fact he doesn't decide for her whether to engage in sex that risks pregnancy?

See above. The man can agree or disagree to engage in sex that can risk pregnancy.

That has jack shit to do with the simple fact she has the final (and only) say on whether it happens or not. It's her body, her choice. End of argument.

And if he doesn't want the risk all he has to do is go nuke a cantaloupe.

Or actively take a responsible role in BC.

 

[TastySuckToy]

And if he doesn't want the risk all he has to do is go nuke a cantaloupe.

Really, you're equating women with cantaloupe?

Or actively take a responsible role in BC.

Biological men have no risk of pregnancy, so their risk assessment for getting pregnant is zero.

Men are not responsible for managing women's bodies and their issues regarding pregnancy. A man can choose to wear or not wear a condom, or trust a woman's claim she is on the pill, but his choice is irrelevant because the woman decides whether his choice is acceptable or not.

And just when did you decide to hop onto the crazy train and pretend men have a say or decision regarding women's bodies, pregnancy and associated risks?

Any sexual activity that risks pregnancy is her decision, period. He can either agree with her decision or not agree with it. But he has zero say over it.

 

[ll74]

Really, you're equating women with cantaloupe?


Biological men have no risk of pregnancy, so their risk assessment for getting pregnant is zero.

Men are not responsible for managing women's bodies and their issues regarding pregnancy. A man can choose to wear or not wear a condom, or trust a woman's claim she is on the pill, but his choice is irrelevant because the woman decides whether his choice is acceptable or not.

And just when did you decide to hop onto the crazy train and pretend men have a say or decision regarding women's bodies, pregnancy and associated risks?

Any sexual activity that risks pregnancy is her decision, period. He can either agree with her decision or not agree with it. But he has zero say over it.

Men have no choice

Also, women should not have sex if they don't want babies.

Wtf...lmao

 

[TastySuckToy]

Men have no choice

You going to sit there with a straight face and try to tell me men have or should have a say over whether women should risk pregnancy or not?

Gimme a f'ing break.

Also, women should not have sex if they don't want babies.

That's only a valid argument if one says men shouldn't have sex if they don't want babies, because men and women should be treated equally.

However, my position is having sex is not consent to have babies or commit to child rearing, and this is backed by law and precedent. That's why things like abortion and adoption are a thing.

 

[ll74]

You going to sit there with a straight face and try to tell me men have or should have a say over whether women should risk pregnancy or not?

Gimme a f'ing break.

Men have a say whether women they engage with risk pregnancy with their involvement.

I truly don't get what you're trying to say here....it seems like you're saying men are held hostage by women....but whatever you are trying to say isn't clear, at all.

That's only a valid argument if one says men shouldn't have sex if they don't want babies, because men and women should be treated equally.

Yes, that is what I've been saying. I have no fucking clue what you're trying to say.

However, my position is having sex is not consent to have babies or commit to child rearing, and this is backed by law and precedent. That's why things like abortion and adoption are a thing.

If men and women aren't participating in birth control together, then consent doesn't matter. Your entire narrative is confusing....though it seems tilted towards "women are the problem and men have no choice" which I'm used to from misogynist assholes who feel like women are solely to blame.....not sure.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Men have a say whether women they engage with risk pregnancy with their involvement.

Women are the ones who decide whether risk of pregnancy is tolerated or not. Men can either consent or not consent to her decision, but it's her decision, end of discussion.

If men and women aren't participating in birth control together, then consent doesn't matter.

Women are the final authority on birth control measures and whether sex that risks pregnancy is permitted or not. End of discussion, argument over, period.

He either abides by her decision on the issue, or he knows where the door is.

How you don't grasp the simplicity of this is beyond me.

 

[AlexBailey]

Women are the ones who decide whether risk of pregnancy is tolerated or not. Men can either consent or not consent to her decision, but it's her decision, end of discussion.

Women are the final authority on birth control measures and whether sex that risks pregnancy is permitted or not. End of discussion, argument over, period.

He either abides by her decision on the issue, or he knows where the door is.

How you don't grasp the simplicity of this is beyond me.

You remind me of employers who complain about being responsible for workers compensation insurance.

They claim they shouldn’t have to provide it because it should be the employee’s responsibility to avoid injury and if they don’t like the working conditions they are free to get another job.

Fortunately regardless of whether or not you understand how your choices affect other people, most courts don’t agree with you.

 

[Lazaran]

TaintyFuckBoi has to be on a ventilator, because the ignorant POS is obviously too dumb to breathe without assistance.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[adrina]

Really, you're equating women with cantaloupe?


Biological men have no risk of pregnancy, so their risk assessment for getting pregnant is zero.

Men are not responsible for managing women's bodies and their issues regarding pregnancy. A man can choose to wear or not wear a condom, or trust a woman's claim she is on the pill, but his choice is irrelevant because the woman decides whether his choice is acceptable or not.

And just when did you decide to hop onto the crazy train and pretend men have a say or decision regarding women's bodies, pregnancy and associated risks?

Any sexual activity that risks pregnancy is her decision, period. He can either agree with her decision or not agree with it. But he has zero say over it.

Men - like you - who disregard the realities of biology to excuse your irresponsible behavior are better off with a nuked cantaloupe than an actual woman.

Biological men impregnate women when they don't control their sperm.

Men don't have a say? Interesting, perhaps we should ask the male dominated legislatures and courts how they have handled the issue of abortion. Oh, that's right, they banned it. And many of them want to ban birth control.

Any sexual activity that risks pregnancy is because a man did not control his sperm.

 

[AlexBailey]

Negligence:

failure to use reasonable care, resulting in damage or injury to another.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Men - like you - who disregard the realities of biology to excuse your irresponsible behavior are better off with a nuked cantaloupe than an actual woman.

And what irresponsible behavior would that be?

Biological men impregnate women when they don't control their sperm.

Correction: women get men to impregnate them when women consent to sex that can result in pregnancy.

Pretty wild how you've done a complete 180 and now suddenly think women cannot or should not control their own bodies that can get pregnant. Now it's all the man's decision.

Men don't have a say? Interesting, perhaps we should ask the male dominated legislatures and courts how they have handled the issue of abortion. Oh, that's right, they banned it. And many of them want to ban birth control.

I suggest you take it up with the majority of voters: women

Any sexual activity that risks pregnancy is because a man did not control his sperm.

lmao

For the risk of pregnancy and pregnancy, it's 100% the woman's body, 100% her right, 100% her choice, 100% her decision.

Sperm doesn't get pregnant, a woman's eggs do, and a woman controls access to her eggs.

Your desperate attempt to push responsibility for women's bodies onto men is hysterical, given your established position men don't have a say over women's bodies. Something I'm 100% agreeing with, and now you're furiously backpedaling from that position.

Do explain, which of the following do you disagree with regarding pregnancy:

100% her body
100% her right
100% her choice
100% her decision

If you agree with those, then by definition you agree with this: 100% her responsibility

But by all means, continue with the strawman that men control their sperm, while pretending to forget women decide if and where it ends up with regards to their own bodies.

 

[adrina]

And what irresponsible behavior would that be?

Correction: women get men to impregnate them when women consent to sex that can result in pregnancy.

Pretty wild how you've done a complete 180 and now suddenly think women cannot or should not control their own bodies that can get pregnant. Now it's all the man's decision.

I suggest you take it up with the majority of voters: women

lmao

For the risk of pregnancy and pregnancy, it's 100% the woman's body, 100% her right, 100% her choice, 100% her decision.

Sperm doesn't get pregnant, a woman's eggs do, and a woman controls access to her eggs.

Your desperate attempt to push responsibility for women's bodies onto men is hysterical, given your established position men don't have a say over women's bodies. Something I'm 100% agreeing with, and now you're furiously backpedaling from that position.

Do explain, which of the following do you disagree with regarding pregnancy:

100% her body
100% her right
100% her choice
100% her decision

If you agree with those, then by definition you agree with this: 100% her responsibility

But by all means, continue with the strawman that men control their sperm, while pretending to forget women decide if and where it ends up with regards to their own bodies.

So then men bear no responsibility at all for impregnating women?

 

[TastySuckToy]

So then men bear no responsibility at all for impregnating women?

What part of 100% her body, 100% her right, 100% her choice, 100% her decision with regards to pregnancy and her own body, is in any way unclear?

 

[adrina]

What part of 100% her body, 100% her right, 100% her choice, 100% her decision with regards to pregnancy and her own body, is in any way unclear?

Good to know you're an irrational extremist. Well actually what you are is cynical.

You're just trying to turn the rights and responsibilities of gestation against women because you don't like the rights and responsibilities of impregnation.

That's why you are better off fucking a nuked cantaloupe.

 

[ll74]

Women are the ones who decide whether risk of pregnancy is tolerated or not. Men can either consent or not consent to her decision, but it's her decision, end of discussion.

The conversation is between two people.

Men can push to be involved or trust the person they engage with....

it seems like someone has hurt you and you are broken.

Women are the final authority on birth control measures and whether sex that risks pregnancy is permitted or not. End of discussion, argument over, period.

They aren't. If you don't shove your cock ina woman, she can't get pregnant.

He either abides by her decision on the issue, or he knows where the door is.

Trust is difficult for you, yes, I get that.

How you don't grasp the simplicity of this is beyond me.

Because I'm not broken by a past relationship and actually don't hate women like you do

 

[ll74]

Good to know you're an irrational extremist. Well actually what you are is cynical.

You're just trying to turn the rights and responsibilities of gestation against women because you don't like the rights and responsibilities of impregnation.

That's why you are better off fucking a nuked cantaloupe.

The man has obviously been broken and needs therapy.

 

[TastySuckToy]

You're just trying to turn the rights and responsibilities of gestation against women because you don't like the rights and responsibilities of impregnation.

lmfao

Explain how the "rights and responsibilities of gestation" is against women. I thought you were one of the biggest proponents of fighting for that for women. I'm having the audacity to agree with you?

I'm whole heartedly agreeing with you, I blatantly assert that with regards to risk of pregnancy, pregnancy and women's bodies, it is 100% her body, 100% her right, 100% her choice, 100% her decision.

You respond by calling me an extremist. All because I point out the most basic logic that any claim of 100% ownership, 100% right, 100% choice and 100% decision logically and irrefutably also means 100% responsibility.

That is the most basic dumb level logic that applies to any issue in existence.

On any issue whatsoever, anyone who asserts 100% ownership, 100% right, 100% choice and 100% decision absolutely assumes 100% responsibility.

 

[adrina]

lmfao

Explain how the "rights and responsibilities of gestation" is against women. I thought you were one of the biggest proponents of fighting for that for women. I'm having the audacity to agree with you?

I'm whole heartedly agreeing with you, I blatantly assert that with regards to risk of pregnancy, pregnancy and women's bodies, it is 100% her body, 100% her right, 100% her choice, 100% her decision.

You respond by calling me an extremist. All because I point out the most basic logic that any claim of 100% ownership, 100% right, 100% choice and 100% decision logically and irrefutably also means 100% responsibility.

That is the most basic dumb level logic that applies to any issue in existence.

On any issue whatsoever, anyone who asserts 100% ownership, 100% right, 100% choice and 100% decision absolutely assumes 100% responsibility.

You are an extremist. You're also an insincere liar. You've been all over this thread bashing women and abortion and all of a sudden you want to argue this point?

Just how drunk are you?

The reality is that men impregnate and women gestate and give birth. Those are the two roles. Each come with their own set of rights and responsibilities.

One last bit of irony for the audience - the majority of men don't pay their child support. The overwhelming vast majority of expenses in a single mother household are covered by the mother.

 

[ll74]

You are an extremist. You're also an insincere liar. You've been all over this thread bashing women and abortion and all of a sudden you want to argue this point?

Just how drunk are you?

The reality is that men impregnate and women gestate and give birth. Those are the two roles. Each come with their own set of rights and responsibilities.

One last bit of irony for the audience - the majority of men don't pay their child support. The overwhelming vast majority of expenses in a single mother household are covered by the mother.

But then they can say that mass shooters were raised by single women and still blame women.

 

[adrina]

But then they can say that mass shooters were raised by single women and still blame women.

Not like they need an excuse, but it's still handy for them.

 

[ll74]

Not like they need an excuse, but it's still handy for them.

The other thread mentions that the traditional family was ruined by the womenz.

 

[adrina]

The other thread mentions that the traditional family was ruined by the womenz.

The "hoeflation" one? Hard to keep track of the whining - it's pretty incessant.