Unfit To Be An American

[SmokingFap]

True. My only point is that what happened in the past has no relevancy to what's happening now. Referencing something which no one alive today had any involvement in and using that as a basis for claiming some intangible moral high ground doesn't cut it.

Good thing there are still folks around who fought in WWII or survived the Holocaust, or else you'd be telling every Jew that it's all just water under the bridge.

 

[SmokingFap]

^ melt doooooooowwwwnnnnnn!

Ouch! You really got him there, champ!

 

[lovecraft68]

All pro Palestine protestors, are pro rape, pro sexism, anti women's rights, anti gay rights, pro racism, pro homophobic and should be shipped off to live there.

 

[Lazaran]

All pro Palestine protestors, are pro rape, pro sexism, anti women's rights, anti gay rights, pro racism, pro homophobic and should be shipped off to live there.

So pro-Palestinian protestors share the same exact attitudes as "republicans"???

So "republicans" should be “shipped off to live there” too???

 

[EbonySplash]

True. My only point is that what happened in the past has no relevancy to what's happening now. Referencing something which no one alive today had any involvement in and using that as a basis for claiming some intangible moral high ground doesn't cut it.



I think that attempting to color your existence with references to someone else's pain and suffering is a false narrative.

I'm happy that you're here. I'm ecstatic that you weren't murdered by your mother before being born. I'm overjoyed whenever someone can think and reason and show that they can express themselves in a way other than splashing the muck of the current political and social mess we're all living through everywhere.

As for "lesser status" and "lesser rights" that's a flat out lie. You have the same rights as everyone else. In fact, because of your specially protected minority status you actually have MORE rights than your non minority neighbors. You get special preferences, treatment, and legal/social/political standing merely because of who you are. Being bitter about things that didn't happen to you and using that bitterness as a sword to try and hurt not only your neighbors but the nation you're a citizen of, is dumb. No one is hurting YOU. If it ever occurs that someone does hurt you, then you have the ability to use the tools granted to minorities to stop it.

Further, if your neighbors and the people you meet on the street act like anal retentive idiots, then let them. No one is forcing you to jump off the cliff of anti social behavior with them. Be an ADULT and stop being a child afraid of the race hustling monster lurking under the bed or the closet.

OH MY GOD

Who is the guy he's precious

 

[EbonySplash]

OH MY GOD

Who is the guy he's precious

Dude, look...I'll just say it like this:

The fact that my ancestors were brought here as slaves and my black skin makes me a target of racism and prejudice against MY people by YOUR people is built into EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE..

That impacts me every minute of every day in ways THAT YOU WILL NEVER FUCKING UNDERSTAND.

You have NO FUCKING BUSINESS telling me how I should think or feel or act.

You are a racist. You perpetuate the wrongs in this society. You think you can tell me what my problem is?

YOU ARE MY PROBLEM

 

[EbonySplash]

Dude, look...I'll just say it like this:

The fact that my ancestors were brought here as slaves and my black skin makes me a target of racism and prejudice against MY people by YOUR people is built into EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE..

That impacts me every minute of every day in ways THAT YOU WILL NEVER FUCKING UNDERSTAND.

You have NO FUCKING BUSINESS telling me how I should think or feel or act.

You are a racist. You perpetuate the wrongs in this society. You think you can tell me what my problem is?

YOU ARE MY PROBLEM

And if you don't like me saying that...

GO BACK TO EUROPE

 

[EbonySplash]

well he's certainly UNFIT

 

[HisArpy]

Dude, look...I'll just say it like this:

The fact that my ancestors were brought here as slaves and my black skin makes me a target of racism and prejudice against MY people by YOUR people is built into EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE..

That impacts me every minute of every day in ways THAT YOU WILL NEVER FUCKING UNDERSTAND.

You have NO FUCKING BUSINESS telling me how I should think or feel or act.

You are a racist. You perpetuate the wrongs in this society. You think you can tell me what my problem is?

YOU ARE MY PROBLEM

Actually, since you have no idea who I am or what race I am, it's rather difficult to take anything you say as being truthful.

The fact is; I have not hurt you. Instead, you've hurt yourself by deciding that your skin color is somehow the cause of everything both good and bad in your life. That you scream about how it's all whities fault that you're black is indicative of the problem being within yourself rather than anything external. Which makes THAT a mental issue not a physical or real life issue. You have subsumed the pain and suffering of others and falsely made it your own to use it as a sword for the sole purpose of unjustly hurting both yourself and others.

All of us are whatever we choose to believe we are. In your case it's obvious that you've decided to believe that you're a victim. A victim of acts perpetrated upon others hundreds of years ago. Never mind the intervening centuries, to you those acts by people long dead are the reason you're black, that you're alive, and that you have to spew hatred.

I pity your children.

 

[HisArpy]

Good thing there are still folks around who fought in WWII or survived the Holocaust, or else you'd be telling every Jew that it's all just water under the bridge.

So too go the tenants and beliefs of the Sunnis and the Shias and look at where that's gotten them.

You see, I don't deny the Holocaust happened. My position is that we need to stop picking sides just so that we can continue to perpetrate it under different names. Antisemtism, racism, bigotry, tribalism, it's all the same. Hate.

I don't play that game. Unfortunately for the world, you and millions of other prefer it.

 

[EbonySplash]

Actually, since you have no idea who I am or what race I am, it's rather difficult to take anything you say as being truthful.

The fact is; I have not hurt you. Instead, you've hurt yourself by deciding that your skin color is somehow the cause of everything both good and bad in your life. That you scream about how it's all whities fault that you're black is indicative of the problem being within yourself rather than anything external. Which makes THAT a mental issue not a physical or real life issue. You have subsumed the pain and suffering of others and falsely made it your own to use it as a sword for the sole purpose of unjustly hurting both yourself and others.

All of us are whatever we choose to believe we are. In your case it's obvious that you've decided to believe that you're a victim. A victim of acts perpetrated upon others hundreds of years ago. Never mind the intervening centuries, to you those acts by people long dead are the reason you're black, that you're alive, and that you have to spew hatred.

I pity your children.

I know exactly who you are. I know exactly what you are. You are a racist.

You don't like black people. You think it's a good thing that we have lower income, lower employment, are much more likely to be victims of crime, are much more likely to be killed by police, are much more likely to be incarcerated and for longer periods of time.

You try to flip the script by pretending not to see that the "intervening centuries" between when my ancestors were forcibly brought here and today were filled with a horrifying legacy of slavery, rape, prejudice, lynchings, violence, intimidation, and discrimination in: employment, housing, education, healthcare and criminal justice. You pretend that this legacy doesn't have an impact on generation after generation.

You say my people, BLACK people, are simply victims of our own choices, and that somehow all of our problems would go away if we somehow just wiped those centuries of slavery and injustice out of our minds.

You say this, even though you know it's untrue. This is because you despise black people.

This is because you are a racist.

Racism gets repackaged as the decades go by. It's not fashionable these days to wear white sheets and burn crosses and form gangs to commit atrocities.

But it's the same goddamned thing. And the biggest danger isn't the isolated groups of loons who are overt in their racism. It's people like you who deny racism and claim the "hate" comes from the victims of racism who simply ask for a more fair and just society.

Shame on you.

 

[HisArpy]

I know exactly who you are. I know exactly what you are. You are a racist.

You don't like black people. You think it's a good thing that we have lower income, lower employment, are much more likely to be victims of crime, are much more likely to be killed by police, are much more likely to be incarcerated and for longer periods of time.

You try to flip the script by pretending not to see that the "intervening centuries" between when my ancestors were forcibly brought here and today were filled with a horrifying legacy of slavery, rape, prejudice, lynchings, violence, intimidation, and discrimination in: employment, housing, education, healthcare and criminal justice. You pretend that this legacy doesn't have an impact on generation after generation.

You say my people, BLACK people, are simply victims of our own choices, and that somehow all of our problems would go away if we somehow just wiped those centuries of slavery and injustice out of our minds.

You say this, even though you know it's untrue. This is because you despise black people.

This is because you are a racist.

Racism gets repackaged as the decades go by. It's not fashionable these days to wear white sheets and burn crosses and form gangs to commit atrocities.

But it's the same goddamned thing. And the biggest danger isn't the isolated groups of loons who are overt in their racism. It's people like you who deny racism and claim the "hate" comes from the victims of racism who simply ask for a more fair and just society.

Shame on you.

tl;dr;waaaaayyyy too much foam and spittle

 

[SmokingFap]

So too go the tenants and beliefs of the Sunnis and the Shias and look at where that's gotten them.

You see, I don't deny the Holocaust happened. My position is that we need to stop picking sides just so that we can continue to perpetrate it under different names. Antisemtism, racism, bigotry, tribalism, it's all the same. Hate.

I don't play that game. Unfortunately for the world, you and millions of other prefer it.

It's amazing that sometimes you say something reasonable and rational. And then you go right ahead and fuck it up. What in any of my posts indicates that I have picked a side? I think both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are abhorrent. I believe both Hamas and Netenyahu are guilty of atrocities over there. And I believe the peoples that they purport to represent deserve peace.

 

[Rightguide]

There is no fitness test for citizenship

There is if you want to apply for it:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Note: In certain circumstances there can be a modification or waiver of the Oath of Allegiance. See the USCIS Policy Manual.

The principles embodied in the Oath are codified in Section 337(a) in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), which provides that all applicants shall take an oath that incorporates the substance of the following:

1. Support the Constitution;
2. Renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen;
3. Support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
4. Bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and
5. A. Bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; or
   B. Perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; or
   C. Perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law.

 

[ll74]

There is if you want to apply for it:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Note: In certain circumstances there can be a modification or waiver of the Oath of Allegiance. See the USCIS Policy Manual.

The principles embodied in the Oath are codified in Section 337(a) in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), which provides that all applicants shall take an oath that incorporates the substance of the following:

1. Support the Constitution;
2. Renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen;
3. Support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
4. Bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and
5. A. Bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; or
   B. Perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; or
   C. Perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law.

An oath is not a test.

 

[Rightguide]

OH MY GOD

Who is the guy he's precious

In other words, he never owned any slaves and you were never forced to pick cotton.

 

[Rightguide]

An oath is not a test.

It certainly tests one's integrity.

 

[ll74]

It certainly tests one's integrity.

Lol

 

[Rightguide]

I know exactly who you are. I know exactly what you are. You are a racist.

You don't like black people. You think it's a good thing that we have lower income, lower employment, are much more likely to be victims of crime, are much more likely to be killed by police, are much more likely to be incarcerated and for longer periods of time.

You try to flip the script by pretending not to see that the "intervening centuries" between when my ancestors were forcibly brought here and today were filled with a horrifying legacy of slavery, rape, prejudice, lynchings, violence, intimidation, and discrimination in: employment, housing, education, healthcare and criminal justice. You pretend that this legacy doesn't have an impact on generation after generation.

You say my people, BLACK people, are simply victims of our own choices, and that somehow all of our problems would go away if we somehow just wiped those centuries of slavery and injustice out of our minds.

You say this, even though you know it's untrue. This is because you despise black people.

This is because you are a racist.

Racism gets repackaged as the decades go by. It's not fashionable these days to wear white sheets and burn crosses and form gangs to commit atrocities.

But it's the same goddamned thing. And the biggest danger isn't the isolated groups of loons who are overt in their racism. It's people like you who deny racism and claim the "hate" comes from the victims of racism who simply ask for a more fair and just society.

Shame on you.

Correctly understanding history is not racist. The truth is black slaves were sold to slavers by other black tribes who rounded them and sold them. It's still being done today because it is an industry in Africa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery

Show us proof that Harpy is a racist. Show us some evidence that he despises black people or admit that you are the hateful racist.

 

[EbonySplash]

Correctly understanding history is not racist. The truth is black slaves were sold to slavers by other black tribes who rounded them and sold them. It's still being done today because it is an industry in Africa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery

Show us proof that Harpy is a racist. Show us some evidence that he despises black people or admit that you are the hateful racist.

First, the HUGE market for black slaves in North America would not have existed if (white) Europeans had not built a massive industry, in fact entire econony, around the institution of slavery. Trying to excuse that era of enslavement because Europeans created enormous economic incentives for Africans to become slavers is completely idiotic. I honestly thought you seemed smarter than that.

Secondly, we were discussing the IMPACT of slavery here, with me arguing that black people are impacted by the racial trauma of our ancestors and HipArsy saying we should just pretend it never happened. The "blacks enslaved blacks" argument is completely irrelevant to that discussion, it's just a red herring that you threw in to derail the discussion.

As to whether or not HipArsy is a racist, I don't know him personally, but I render my judgment based on his words here. His writing drips with contempt for black people. Like you, he gaslights and says anyone who mentions the evils of the past are the "hateful" ones.

And I will apply the same label to you: RACIST.

I will have my say. I will not be silenced by people like you and Harpy.

If you don't like it, go back to Europe.

 

[Rightguide]

First, the HUGE market for black slaves in North America would not have existed if (white) Europeans had not built a massive industry, in fact entire econony, around the institution of slavery. Trying to excuse that era of enslavement because Europeans created enormous economic incentives for Africans to become slavers is completely idiotic. I honestly thought you seemed smarter than that.

Secondly, we were discussing the IMPACT of slavery here, with me arguing that black people are impacted by the racial trauma of our ancestors and HipArsy saying we should just pretend it never happened. The "blacks enslaved blacks" argument is completely irrelevant to that discussion, it's just a red herring that you threw in to derail the discussion.

As to whether or not HipArsy is a racist, I don't know him personally, but I render my judgment based on his words here. His writing drips with contempt for black people. Like you, he gaslights and says anyone who mentions the evils of the past are the "hateful" ones.

And I will apply the same label to you: RACIST.

I will have my say. I will not be silenced by people like you and Harpy.

If you don't like it, go back to Europe.

Your life today doesn't have a fucking thing to do with what happened hundreds of years ago. The fact is, slavery was a way of life for thousands of years before the British and the Americans put a stop to it in our countries. It is still alive and well in Africa.

Nobody is trying to silence you, but when you start spouting uneducated bullshit and making unfounded conjured-up charges of racism you're going to get called on it.

 

[stxjimmy]

Your life today doesn't have a fucking thing to do with what happened hundreds of years ago. The fact is, slavery was a way of life for thousands of years before the British and the Americans put a stop to it in our countries. It is still alive and well in Africa.

Nobody is trying to silence you, but when you start spouting uneducated bullshit and making unfounded conjured-up charges of racism you're going to get called on it.

More revisionism, half your nation fought to keep it and Britain compensated slave owners not slaves.

 

[Lazaran]

Your life today doesn't have a fucking thing to do with what happened hundreds of years

^
(Quoted for posterity and stupidity)

There is a straight line running from America’s slave days - to Jim Crow laws - to the GI Bill’s discriminatory implementation - to the GROSS disparities, on average, in wealth, education, health, justice, etc, between black Americans and white Americans TODAY.

Only an idiot would claim otherwise - which explains why "Right"guide claimed otherwise.



"Right"guide

 

[HisArpy]

It's amazing that sometimes you say something reasonable and rational. And then you go right ahead and fuck it up. What in any of my posts indicates that I have picked a side? I think both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are abhorrent. I believe both Hamas and Netenyahu are guilty of atrocities over there. And I believe the peoples that they purport to represent deserve peace.

You pick sides. You know you do, I know you do, anyone else who reads the droll crap you spew also knows you do.

No one wins when the world plays Hatfields and McCoys. You thinking that more slaughter is justified because of that mindset is stupid and only shows your bias.

 

[HisArpy]

As to whether or not HipArsy is a racist, I don't know him personally, but I render my judgment based on his words here. His writing drips with contempt for black people. Like you, he gaslights and says anyone who mentions the evils of the past are the "hateful" ones.

And I will apply the same label to you: RACIST.

I will have my say. I will not be silenced by people like you and Harpy.

If you don't like it, go back to Europe.

My words? You mean the words of peace that I use? The words which say that your hatreds and biases have no place in the world except to incite others? The words I use when I refer to MLK's speeches where I'm told I don't know what I'm talking about by people like you? Those words?

You are filled with a sense of self righteousness based on the color of your skin. You believe that merely because you're black you're entitled to something more than anyone else is. Because some people 150 years ago did something we have since abolished.

You need to grow the fuck up and understand I don't care what color your skin is. I'm more concerned (to quote Mr. King) with the content of your character.

A content you display for all to see and which is seriously lacking in quality.

If saying that we are equal makes me a racist, I'm wondering what your words make you. After all, you're the one who is saying that I'm the cause of all your problems merely because of the color of my skin.

Which I believe, if one follows the standard definition, makes you a racist.