Trump Civil case may Be Over

[Rotadom]

For the most part that’s exactly what happened.

The gallows part or the shit smearing part?

The breaking and entering part or the dead officer part?

The incitement by the orange moron or the multiple insurrectionists who have plead guilty?

 

[PaxNurgle]

For the most part that’s exactly what happened.

They were trying to overturn a legal, peaceful election and install a dictator. And it was anything but peaceful.
It's treason of the highest order. I am sorry your pathetic little brain seems so incapable of understanding that but if you in any way support what took place on that day, it is proof that you have no appreciation for Democracy, or the United States.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Anybody with a brain should call the press "disgusting" considering how many headlines they base on zero verified sources and end up being disproven (and the media rarely apologize for it, or they retract it really quietly where nobody will see).

But that isn’t what Trump did. He called freedom of speech disgusting.
What problems do you have with freedom of speech?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I have no problem with it, as everybody is free to slander everybody and Trump is free to call it disgusting. Human nature is disgusting, and I accept it.

Slander is illegal.

So then the question is why are you supporting Trump when he wants to take freedom of speech away from people?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I really wish people who claim the media is constantly wrong would start providing specific examples.

 

[Sean Renaud]

But the media gets away with slander all the time, and nothing is done about it, and I accept that because I can't control it....
I accept that everybody is allowed an opinion, and everybody is allowed to say they are disgusted with freedom of speech or war or law or anything they want to be disgusted about.
Every politician is allowed to be disgusted with whatever they want to be disgusted about, and if the voters are also disgusted by those same things, then they'll vote for that politician.

Honestly that's one of the better arguments I've seen for why free speech is a bad thing.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

But the media gets away with slander all the time, and nothing is done about it, and I accept that because I can't control it....
I accept that everybody is allowed an opinion, and everybody is allowed to say they are disgusted with freedom of speech or war or law or anything they want to be disgusted about.
Every politician is allowed to be disgusted with whatever they want to be disgusted about, and if the voters are also disgusted by those same things, then they'll vote for that politician.

The media doesn’t commit slander. The fact that you’re just saying it with your own words instead of providing an example shows you know you’re wrong. You still haven’t addressed what I wrote.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Anybody with a brain should call the press "disgusting" considering how many headlines they base on zero verified sources and end up being disproven (and the media rarely apologize for it, or they retract it really quietly where nobody will see).

Well, this is a problem with the media, but some news sources are certainly more guilty of this than others.

Fox News, Breitbart, and OAN (for example) base a lot of their headlines on zero verified sources and unproven fearmongering and conspiracy mongering, and post opinions and conjecture, and sometimes far-fetched ideas, as fact. And in many cases these same news outlets continue to present disproven lies as "Facts" long after they are debunked. Ironically, certain people on these forums quote these dubious "news" sources all the time as gospel truth, even after their headlines have been debunked, while dismissing the more reliable, fact-based news sources as "The Liberal Media."

 

[Northernlands]

I don't get this thread. Has Trump not already been found guilty of fraud based on the consclusive evidence pre-trial? Is the central case not already ruled on? The whole trial is just to determine how much he will be liable? About establishing damages?

 

[jomar]

Anybody with a brain should call the press "disgusting" considering how many headlines they base on zero verified sources and end up being disproven (and the media rarely apologize for it, or they retract it really quietly where nobody will see).

Except trump does it out of the authoritarian playbook chapter “sow distrust of the critical media and don’t trust your lying eyes and only believe what I’m telling you, then when in power control what media is allowed to say.”

Media is not the enemy of the people as trump wants you to believe.

 

[jomar]

And CNN base headlines on those silly "tell all" books of former White House staff, with claims that are completely unprovable, and they only write those books to make money, not to "expose" a truth.

And yet all those books are remarkably consistent. And Bob Woodward is no slouch just out to make a buck.

 

[HisArpy]

I don't get this thread. Has Trump not already been found guilty of fraud based on the consclusive evidence pre-trial? Is the central case not already ruled on? The whole trial is just to determine how much he will be liable? About establishing damages?

Yup. The judge decided before anyone started giving testimony or submitting evidence that Trump was guilty.

And that guilty finding will be tossed by the appeals court.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yup. The judge decided before anyone started giving testimony or submitting evidence that Trump was guilty.

And that guilty finding will be tossed by the appeals court.

How big is Trump’s Manhattan penthouse?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Did he write them all did he? Because the number of tell-all political books written in the last 5 year is bizarre.
Just looks like Trump is everyone's cash cow, because put his name on your book and you get publicity....
CNN uses them as sources, and they love using their "unnamed sources from inside the White House", which nobody even knows exist.

Well Trump only hired the best people.

So you have no problem with the Woodward book?

Still waiting for a response.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Did he write them all did he? Because the number of tell-all political books written in the last 5 year is bizarre.
Just looks like Trump is everyone's cash cow, because put his name on your book and you get publicity....
CNN uses them as sources, and they love using their "unnamed sources from inside the White House", which nobody even knows exist.

Because Trump was/is so unbelievably over the top cartoonishly evil that of course there are lots of things coming out about him. Really no different than if Ye (is he still going by that?) is suddenly found out to have been flying all his friends to Epstien Island to declare Defcon 11 on Israel we'll suddenly find that all his Jewish Friends have been keeping diaries.

And people like the money.

Unnamed sources is something that has its roots in protecting people. This is not the same as flat out lies and shit you should have known was false right out the gate. At least sometimes more "mainstream" sources get stupid as hell too.

 

[jomar]

Did he write them all did he?

No, he wrote three. He’s written books about all presidents since Nixon. He’s legit and has the track record to prove it.

Just looks like Trump is everyone's cash cow, because put his name on your book and you get publicity....
CNN uses them as sources, and they love using their "unnamed sources from inside the White House", which nobody even knows exist.

Of course we know they exist. They are unnamed for their own protection. And they’re telling pretty consistent stories across authors.

 

[Rightguide]

Hitler was not a socialist. He was an autocratic dictator and a complete fuckhead.

Socialists are autocratic.

 

[GirlFur]

My first reaction to the title of the thread was "Which one?"

 

[ll74]

Socialists are autocratic.

Socialists governments can have autocratic dictators. Germany was not one.

 

[GirlFur]

Democratic governments can elect fascists (Trump).

 

[Rightguide]

Socialists governments can have autocratic dictators. Germany was not one.

If the Democrats are ever successful in erecting one it will be autocratic as well on the Soviet model. What the left is turning out on today's campuses confirms it.

 

[ll74]

If the Democrats are ever successful in erecting one it will be autocratic as well on the Soviet model. What the left is turning out on today's campuses confirms it.

Deflection is fun. Hitler was not a socialist.

 

[Rightguide]

Deflection is fun. Hitler was not a socialist.

I do my homework you don't:

Hitler on Marxism
“National Socialism derives from each of the two camps the pure idea that characterizes it, national resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital, creative socialism from the teaching of Marxism.” – January 27, 1934, interview with Hanns Johst in Frankforter Volksblatt

Hitler on Teaching Socialism
“There is a difference between the theoretical knowledge of socialism and the practical life of socialism. People are not born socialists, but must first be taught how to become them.” – October 5, 1937, speech in Berlin

Hitler on Capitalism
“In those countries, it is actually capital that rules; that is, nothing more than a clique of a few hundred men who possess untold wealth and, as a consequence of the peculiar structure of their national life, are more or less independent and free. They say: ‘Here we have liberty.’ By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of the ‘freedom of the press.’ In reality, every one of the newspapers has a master, and in every case this master is the capitalist, the owner. This master, not the editor, is the one who directs the policy of the paper. If the editor tries to write other than what suits the master, he is ousted the next day. This press, which is the absolutely submissive and characterless slave of the owners, molds public opinion. Yes, certainly, we jeopardize the liberty to profiteer at the expense of the community, and, if necessary, we even abolish it.” – December 10, 1940, speech in Berlin

Hitler on Socialism
“Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.” – August 15, 1920, speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus.

Hitler on Social Justice
“Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.” – August 15, 1920, speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus

Hitler on Class Abolition
“We must on principle free ourselves from any class standpoint.” – April 12, 1922, speech in Munich

“There are no such things as classes: they cannot be. … here there can be no class, here there can be only a single people and beyond that nothing else.” – April 12, 1922, speech in Munich

Hitler on Marxism and Socialism
(Editor’s Note: StoppingSocialism.com does not agree with Hitler’s description of socialism, communism, and Marxism below. He deliberately misled people about the meaning of these terms for political reasons.)

“Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national.” – 1923, Interview with George Sylvester Viereck

Hitler on State Property Control
“To put it quite clearly: we have an economic program. Point 13 in that program demands the nationalization of all public companies, in other words socialization, or what is known here as socialism. … the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me? Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals anymore; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.” – May 4, 1931, interview with Richard Breiting

Hitler on the Bourgeoisie
“Over the last 40 years, the German bourgeoisie has been a lamentable failure; it has not given the German people a single leader; it will have to bow without gainsaying to the totality of my ideology.” – May 4, 1931, interview with Richard Breiting

Hitler on German Socialism
“What they hate is the Germany which sets a dangerous example for them, this social Germany. It is the Germany of a social labor legislation which they already hated before the World War and which they still hate today. It is the Germany of social welfare, of social equality, of the elimination of class differences—this is what they hate! They hate this Germany which in the course of seven years has labored to afford its Volksgenossen a decent life. They hate this Germany which has eliminated unemployment, which, in spite of all their wealth, they have not been able to eliminate. This Germany which grants its laborers decent housing—this is what they hate because they have a feeling their own peoples could be ‘infected’ thereby. They hate this Germany of social legislation, this Germany which celebrates the first of May as the day of honest labor.” – May 8, 1939, speech “Party Comrades! My German Volksgenossen!” at the Bürgerbräukeller in Munich

Hitler on the Hammer and Sickle
“The hammer will once more become the symbol of the German worker and the sickle the sign of the German peasant.” – May 1, 1934, May Day speech in Berlin

Hitler on German Socialism
“Is there a nobler or more excellent kind of Socialism and is there a truer form of Democracy than this National Socialism which is so organized that through it each one among the millions of German boys is given the possibility of finding his way to the highest office in the nation, should it please Providence to come to his aid?” – January 30, 1937, On National Socialism and World Relations speech in the German Reichstag

Hitler on Profits
“And justice is on the side of those nations that fight for their threatened existence. And this struggle for existence will spur these nations on to the most tremendous accomplishments in world history. If profit is the driving force for production in the democracies—a profit that industrialists, bankers, and corrupt politicians pocket—then the driving force in National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy is the realization by millions of laborers that, in this war, it is they who are being fought against. They realize that the democracies, if they should ever win, would rage with the full capitalist cruelty, that cruelty of which only those are capable whose only god is gold, who know no human sentiments other than their obsession with profit, and who are ready to sacrifice all noble thought to this profit instinct without hesitation. This struggle is not an attack on the rights of other nations, but on the arrogance and avarice of a narrow capitalist upper class, one which refuses to acknowledge that the days are over when gold ruled the world, and that, by contrast, a future is dawning when the people will be the determining force in the life of a nation.” – January 1, 1941, speech in Berlin

Hitler on His Own Fanatical Socialism
“Germany’s economic policy is conducted exclusively in accordance with the interests of the German people. In this respect I am a fanatical socialist, one who has ever in mind the interests of all his people.” – February 24, 1941, speech on the 21st anniversary of the Nazi Party

Hitler on the Triumph of Socialism
“All the more so after the war, the German National Socialist state, which pursued this goal from the beginning, will tirelessly work for the realization of a program that will ultimately lead to a complete elimination of class differences and to the creation of a true socialist community.” – March 21, 1943, speech for Heroes’ Memorial Day

 

[Rightguide]

My first reaction to the title of the thread was "Which one?"

The Civil case in NY. See post number 1.

 

[ll74]

I do my homework you don't:

Hitler on Marxism
“National Socialism derives from each of the two camps the pure idea that characterizes it, national resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital, creative socialism from the teaching of Marxism.” – January 27, 1934, interview with Hanns Johst in Frankforter Volksblatt

Hitler on Teaching Socialism
“There is a difference between the theoretical knowledge of socialism and the practical life of socialism. People are not born socialists, but must first be taught how to become them.” – October 5, 1937, speech in Berlin

Hitler on Capitalism
“In those countries, it is actually capital that rules; that is, nothing more than a clique of a few hundred men who possess untold wealth and, as a consequence of the peculiar structure of their national life, are more or less independent and free. They say: ‘Here we have liberty.’ By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of the ‘freedom of the press.’ In reality, every one of the newspapers has a master, and in every case this master is the capitalist, the owner. This master, not the editor, is the one who directs the policy of the paper. If the editor tries to write other than what suits the master, he is ousted the next day. This press, which is the absolutely submissive and characterless slave of the owners, molds public opinion. Yes, certainly, we jeopardize the liberty to profiteer at the expense of the community, and, if necessary, we even abolish it.” – December 10, 1940, speech in Berlin

Hitler on Socialism
“Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.” – August 15, 1920, speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus.

Hitler on Social Justice
“Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.” – August 15, 1920, speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus

Hitler on Class Abolition
“We must on principle free ourselves from any class standpoint.” – April 12, 1922, speech in Munich

“There are no such things as classes: they cannot be. … here there can be no class, here there can be only a single people and beyond that nothing else.” – April 12, 1922, speech in Munich

Hitler on Marxism and Socialism
(Editor’s Note: StoppingSocialism.com does not agree with Hitler’s description of socialism, communism, and Marxism below. He deliberately misled people about the meaning of these terms for political reasons.)

“Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national.” – 1923, Interview with George Sylvester Viereck

Hitler on State Property Control
“To put it quite clearly: we have an economic program. Point 13 in that program demands the nationalization of all public companies, in other words socialization, or what is known here as socialism. … the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me? Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals anymore; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.” – May 4, 1931, interview with Richard Breiting

Hitler on the Bourgeoisie
“Over the last 40 years, the German bourgeoisie has been a lamentable failure; it has not given the German people a single leader; it will have to bow without gainsaying to the totality of my ideology.” – May 4, 1931, interview with Richard Breiting

Hitler on German Socialism
“What they hate is the Germany which sets a dangerous example for them, this social Germany. It is the Germany of a social labor legislation which they already hated before the World War and which they still hate today. It is the Germany of social welfare, of social equality, of the elimination of class differences—this is what they hate! They hate this Germany which in the course of seven years has labored to afford its Volksgenossen a decent life. They hate this Germany which has eliminated unemployment, which, in spite of all their wealth, they have not been able to eliminate. This Germany which grants its laborers decent housing—this is what they hate because they have a feeling their own peoples could be ‘infected’ thereby. They hate this Germany of social legislation, this Germany which celebrates the first of May as the day of honest labor.” – May 8, 1939, speech “Party Comrades! My German Volksgenossen!” at the Bürgerbräukeller in Munich

Hitler on the Hammer and Sickle
“The hammer will once more become the symbol of the German worker and the sickle the sign of the German peasant.” – May 1, 1934, May Day speech in Berlin

Hitler on German Socialism
“Is there a nobler or more excellent kind of Socialism and is there a truer form of Democracy than this National Socialism which is so organized that through it each one among the millions of German boys is given the possibility of finding his way to the highest office in the nation, should it please Providence to come to his aid?” – January 30, 1937, On National Socialism and World Relations speech in the German Reichstag

Hitler on Profits
“And justice is on the side of those nations that fight for their threatened existence. And this struggle for existence will spur these nations on to the most tremendous accomplishments in world history. If profit is the driving force for production in the democracies—a profit that industrialists, bankers, and corrupt politicians pocket—then the driving force in National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy is the realization by millions of laborers that, in this war, it is they who are being fought against. They realize that the democracies, if they should ever win, would rage with the full capitalist cruelty, that cruelty of which only those are capable whose only god is gold, who know no human sentiments other than their obsession with profit, and who are ready to sacrifice all noble thought to this profit instinct without hesitation. This struggle is not an attack on the rights of other nations, but on the arrogance and avarice of a narrow capitalist upper class, one which refuses to acknowledge that the days are over when gold ruled the world, and that, by contrast, a future is dawning when the people will be the determining force in the life of a nation.” – January 1, 1941, speech in Berlin

Hitler on His Own Fanatical Socialism
“Germany’s economic policy is conducted exclusively in accordance with the interests of the German people. In this respect I am a fanatical socialist, one who has ever in mind the interests of all his people.” – February 24, 1941, speech on the 21st anniversary of the Nazi Party

Hitler on the Triumph of Socialism
“All the more so after the war, the German National Socialist state, which pursued this goal from the beginning, will tirelessly work for the realization of a program that will ultimately lead to a complete elimination of class differences and to the creation of a true socialist community.” – March 21, 1943, speech for Heroes’ Memorial Day

Hitler was a politician who knew how to work the crowd. Nothing he did was socialism. He was a nationalist autocratic dictator and he was a fuckhead.