Democrats demand universal free breakfast, lunch, dinner, and a snack for kids in school

[Sean Renaud]

Nothing is free, someone somewhere is paying for it.

That said, maybe we could tell the government to stop sending hundreds of billions of dollars over seas to pay for more war and killing.

I imagine we could pay for a lot more than just kid's food if we actually used government funds for the people who the government takes the money from in the first place.

People really need to stop saying this bullshit. For starters when we say free we mean free at the at the moment it is used.

Also at the government level we don't actually tax and spend, we create and destroy. Even without tax dollars we'd still fund the military and even if spending went down there are still quality reasons to tax, like fighting inflation.

We don't spend hundreds of billions overseas. That is a very insignificant part of our spending and probably mostly good spending.

 

[Funlover11]

People really need to stop saying this bullshit. For starters when we say free we mean free at the at the moment it is used.

Also at the government level we don't actually tax and spend, we create and destroy. Even without tax dollars we'd still fund the military and even if spending went down there are still quality reasons to tax, like fighting inflation.

We don't spend hundreds of billions overseas. That is a very insignificant part of our spending and probably mostly good spending.

I’m from the U.K. and heard on the BBC news that the Biden admin have given Ukraine $75 billion dollars in aid in just over a year. Is this correct and couldn’t this have funded free meals or student debt?

 

[GuitarGawd41]

Wondering when we decided as a society that schools - government schools - would replace parents and do Mom and Dad's job for them.

 

[YDB95]

I’m from the U.K. and heard on the BBC news that the Biden admin have given Ukraine $75 billion dollars in aid in just over a year.

Yes, although over a third of that was humanitarian rather than military.

Is this correct and couldn’t this have funded free meals or student debt?

In theory, yes. In reality, cutting military bloat is not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Response to the OP

That's just step one.
Step two: School Dormitories
Those terroristic insurrectionist parents will be allowed supervised weekend visits.

The children must be raised by properly educated and fully trained government child-care experts.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Wondering when we decided as a society that schools - government schools - would replace parents and do Mom and Dad's job for them.

Boiling the frog slowly.

The first salvos were the lamentations of privilege: the rich kids have too much of a private school advantage.

The implication being, the government needs to step in and establish a parallel track to level the playing field.

So, we saw the universal drive to create a governmental public school system where children could receive a "proper" education which has morphed into the grown-up rich kids running our schools to produce workers...

The next logical step will be to outlaw home schooling (but never touch the elite private school system; our rulers have to educate the next class of rulers for the uneducated masses).

 

[GuitarGawd41]

Lest anyone reading that statement think that's conservative whackadoodle conspiracy theory, what he just described is already happening in Canada, Sweden, and much of the EU.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

It can be true and still whackadoodle.

In our neck of the woods, we have a saying about a blind squirrel and an acorn.

Look at me, I could be whackadoodle! (Hat tip: John Fogerty)

 

[YDB95]

Wondering when we decided as a society that schools - government schools - would replace parents and do Mom and Dad's job for them.

When people realized an educated populace benefits everyone? Not to mention most people's parents wouldn't be able to teach them everything they're supposed to learn in school. But you knew that.

 

[GuitarGawd41]

When people realized an educated populace benefits everyone? Not to mention most people's parents wouldn't be able to teach them everything they're supposed to learn in school. But you knew that.

False premise, provable by countless studies. Ever since the NEA was formed, our national education outcome has dropped significantly each year. The exception to this has been charter schools, private schools, and home schooling. There are excellent home school resources - Becca and others - that have been used for decades now, filling in the gaps the parents don't have the skills to teach. The difference is, the parents see and hear everything their children are taught, something the NEA strongly objects to. (One has to ask why the secrets there if there's nothing to hide.)
Homeschoolers have actually excelled in academic testing, and thanks to homeschool groups and sports teams, have the same access to socialization. They are not held back by a group academically, can buckle down on weak areas while shooting ahead in strong areas, and have to actually do the work because they can't hide behind a group. Not to mention how strong their family lives become.
Some of the smartest kids I've met got that way homeschooling. My own nephews are in college at 16 and 17 because they were homeschooled. So please stop repeating tropes and bumper stickers. The only thing public schools are good at anymore, in general, is creating good little Socialists who hate their parents' worldview.

And one more thought... The founders of America, who were products of homeschooling, were fluent in Greek, Hebrew, and Latin by Jr. High age, and Jefferson was learning Arabic. Who is failing again?

 

[YDB95]

The only thing public schools are good at anymore, in general, is creating good little Socialists who hate their parents' worldview.

So I keep hearing from the likes of you, but I have yet to see the first shred of evidence to that end. Not to mention that when kids "hate their parents' worldview", there is almost always a good reason for that.

And one more thought... The founders of America, who were products of homeschooling, were fluent in Greek, Hebrew, and Latin by Jr. High age, and Jefferson was learning Arabic. Who is failing again?

Most if not all of the founding fathers were from rich families and had tutors to teach them those languages, which in that era were standard for university entrance (which was pretty much available only to the rich, and only to men). And learning to read in those languages is not the same as being fluent in them.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

The men and women who fought and died to establish this country were not the Founders.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

False premise, provable by countless studies. Ever since the NEA was formed, our national education outcome has dropped significantly each year. The exception to this has been charter schools, private schools, and home schooling. There are excellent home school resources - Becca and others - that have been used for decades now, filling in the gaps the parents don't have the skills to teach. The difference is, the parents see and hear everything their children are taught, something the NEA strongly objects to. (One has to ask why the secrets there if there's nothing to hide.)
Homeschoolers have actually excelled in academic testing, and thanks to homeschool groups and sports teams, have the same access to socialization. They are not held back by a group academically, can buckle down on weak areas while shooting ahead in strong areas, and have to actually do the work because they can't hide behind a group. Not to mention how strong their family lives become.
Some of the smartest kids I've met got that way homeschooling. My own nephews are in college at 16 and 17 because they were homeschooled. So please stop repeating tropes and bumper stickers. The only thing public schools are good at anymore, in general, is creating good little Socialists who hate their parents' worldview.

And one more thought... The founders of America, who were products of homeschooling, were fluent in Greek, Hebrew, and Latin by Jr. High age, and Jefferson was learning Arabic. Who is failing again?

Post a link to one of the studies.

 

[GuitarGawd41]

So I keep hearing from the likes of you, but I have yet to see the first shred of evidence to that end. Not to mention that when kids "hate their parents' worldview", there is almost always a good reason for that.

Most if not all of the founding fathers were from rich families and had tutors to teach them those languages, which in that era were standard for university entrance (which was pretty much available only to the rich, and only to men). And learning to read in those languages is not the same as being fluent in them.

First, I notice that you failed to even acknowledge the bulk of what I said, the evidence, both in the numbers and anctidotal, that backs the conclusion. Hard to address facts with feelings, I guess.

Second, kids in public schools spend almost 3-4x more time under the influence of teachers who openly express distain for a pro-America, pro-Capitalist, pro-Christian worldview, more time doing bookwork assigned by those teachers, and much of their "socialization" around fellow students who are being equally brainwashed. Of course that has an effect, and the effect is on purpose. I don't even have to theorize on that. Just read what John Dewy, the father of the education system as we know it today, said he was going to use the schools to do and how he was going to do it.

Finally, just about every family in today's America is more wealthy than any of the founders could have dreamed of being. And that level of education was normal across the board back then for everyone, poor and rich alike. That's why the Constitution could hold such lofty language and the Federalist Papers could use such complex thought, and both be easily understood by the masses. If we are going to have this discussion, please do not fall into the "rich white patriarchy" bumpersticker tropes. They aren't true, are oversimplified, and stifle real intelligent discussion.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

First, I notice that you failed to even acknowledge the bulk of what I said, the evidence, both in the numbers and anctidotal, that backs the conclusion. Hard to address facts with feelings, I guess.

Second, kids in public schools spend almost 3-4x more time under the influence of teachers who openly express distain for a pro-America, pro-Capitalist, pro-Christian worldview, more time doing bookwork assigned by those teachers, and much of their "socialization" around fellow students who are being equally brainwashed. Of course that has an effect, and the effect is on purpose. I don't even have to theorize on that. Just read what John Dewy, the father of the education system as we know it today, said he was going to use the schools to do and how he was going to do it.

Finally, just about every family in today's America is more wealthy than any of the founders could have dreamed of being. And that level of education was normal across the board back then for everyone, poor and rich alike. That's why the Constitution could hold such lofty language and the Federalist Papers could use such complex thought, and both be easily understood by the masses. If we are going to have this discussion, please do not fall into the "rich white patriarchy" bumpersticker tropes. They aren't true, are oversimplified, and stifle real intelligent discussion.

Just to clarify, you haven't posted any evidence.

 

[GuitarGawd41]

Just to clarify, you haven't posted any evidence.

https://www.nheri.org/research-fact...:text=Academic Performance,range from 1 to 99.)

https://www.lovetoknow.com/parenting/kids/statistics-public-school-vs-homeschooling

https://wehavekids.com/education/Do-Homeschoolers-Really-Do-Better-on-Tests

 

[VinnyVeritas]

You're arguing with a moron.

Not a good look.

 

[GuitarGawd41]

Here's more, if it'll post

 

[GuitarGawd41]

Just handing him hard data now. Hard to argue with stats from multiple sources, including the NEA itself

 

[VinnyVeritas]

If we were pre-historic, pre-fire people huddling in a cave and you brought in fire, he would condemn you for engaging in evil magic and organize a stoning...

 

[GuitarGawd41]

Wish this thing would let me attach pdf files

 

[VinnyVeritas]

If they're on the 'net, link to them.

 

[GuitarGawd41]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...8QFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0jxfuPgVf0xE3ObHc92qPE

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...8QFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw18ILQvy-FPtqb52UxECyvP

Here's more if that isn't enough. The first is a good graph chart showing the stats, the second is a report put out by the NEA itself.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

https://www.nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#:~:text=Academic Performance,range from 1 to 99.)

https://www.lovetoknow.com/parenting/kids/statistics-public-school-vs-homeschooling

https://wehavekids.com/education/Do-Homeschoolers-Really-Do-Better-on-Tests

None of these are studies and none say what you said they would. A study includes the methodology and findings of the research. None of these links do that and none of them go back to 1857.

Again, do you have a study that backs up anything you say?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You're arguing with a moron.

Not a good look.

An argument means an exchange of different ideas. This is just me correcting him, like I now have to correct you.