How much back story and character description

I think more people are offended more by it's use as an insult, especially a man calling a woman a "cunt." It's obviously meant to be VERY derogatory, and sexist as well.

But as a sex term itself, I personally don't take issue with it most times.
IME, cunt was the ultimate swear word. There was nothing more offensive than it, and when I was growing up, it was never used. We all knew about it, but the closest most would go is C U Next Tuesday. It doesn't have near the same level of taboo as it once did, but it's not in everyday use like fuck is (though I work with a woman who could make a sailor blush with the things she comes up with).
 
Going back to earlier part of thread I actually use pussy and cunt, but find myself using pussy earlier in the story and as it develops and becomes more sexual and intense switch to using the word cunt as that feels more appropriate to the mood of the characters I am writing about in that moment of intense arousal and passion.
Yes, that's the shift I usually go through, an interchangeable usage, but dialled in as required. I'll mix in "sex" on occasion, and once or twice I've had characters self-refer to their snatch, but only when talking about themselves with another woman. That's one of the words a man would use only with a death wish, I reckon, and certainly not amongst good company. Same as lady curtains, that's a bit dodgy.
 
Yes, that's the shift I usually go through, an interchangeable usage, but dialled in as required. I'll mix in "sex" on occasion, and once or twice I've had characters self-refer to their snatch, but only when talking about themselves with another woman. That's one of the words a man would use only with a death wish, I reckon, and certainly not amongst good company. Same as lady curtains, that's a bit dodgy.
'Lady curtains'. I'm literally laughing out loud
 
I would say, do it any way YOU feel the story needs it. Don't feel like you absolutely have to give hight, weight, boobs size, cock length etc. If it matters either to the story or to you - give the numbers, if you couldn't care less, skip it. I don't think I ever mentioned characters exact height in any of my stories and it was just fine. No, I am wrong, I did mention it once - she was trying to get something form a shelf and couldn't quite reach it. It was at his house, so I mentioned that "it wasn't set up for the likes of 5'2" women like her. If she ever moved in with him, this had to change."

If they meet because he comes in to fix her sink, you probably will have to mention that he is a plumber. If they meet at a friend's wedding, then who cares what they do for a living? Especially if this is a one night stand story. If they are going to meet again, to start dating, then give the backstory at the same rate that they are likely to learn these things about each other.

Their marital status I usually mention because it is important to me. Their education - I don't, but then I don't write about college kids. If I did, I'd probably mention their majors.

Age usually comes up. Not the exact number, but late 30s, mid 50s, something like that. It matters to me and I don't want the reader to come up with the character's image in their head only to realize on the last page that if she is getting a phone call from her granddaughter,, then she can't be 20.
 
Admittedly, I'm new to erotica, so this is more just regular writing advice, but:

I prefer minimal physical descriptions, maybe a couple prominent features with hints at the rest. I'd rather let the reader craft their ideal characters based on my characteristics. I don't need them to imagine my world. My job's to give them just enough to picture their world. Also, you can cheat by playing into common tropes and cliches---that's like pulling a prepackaged character down off the shelf, one the readers already have a firm grasp of, and from there, you can do whatever you want with them.

Also, I don't really like the phrasing "Backstory" either because that makes it seem like it's a chore, something to slog through. Like we need a history break before we dive into the story. Tell me she's 20 something and working at a coffee shop and I can infer the rest from her actions---even better if, say, she has some kind of dark history that's relevant to her actions. Instead of just coming out and saying "She was traumatized by a car crash," maybe she's got a nervous tick that gets over-emphasized and walks everywhere no matter how irrational, letting me know as the story unfolds, that something isn't right. Makes for a much stronger reveal, too. (And I'm one of those cunts who likes it with things like that are heavily implied but never just outright stated) Basically, for my tastes, the most engaging stories don't have a de-facto prologue.

For the characterizations, the best is when it's done through dialogue and action beats. Complex emotions can't really be told; they gotta be inferred through how the scene is presented, layered in action beats, dialogue, imagery, metaphors, and all that, which can easily be worked into the meat of the story. How they react to the story unfolding is their characterization.
 
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Agreed. In most cases, you'd use the specific job (electrician, plumber, etc.). If it's an undifferentiated group, then "workmen" or "tradesmen," depending on your geographic location are much more common.
Do carpenters get known as chippies and electricians as sparkies in America? I think they do in the theatre/movies, but maybe not in other industries?

Tradie and postie (postman, ie the person who puts the mail through your door) have become more common in the UK in the last 20 years because they're often female, as well as us not being able to resist playing with words.
 
I totally agree. Used in the throes of sex I have no problem with it, but as an insult or used in name calling I don't like it. I've used cunt in stories as part of the language between lovers and have yet to censured on it by readers.
Yeah, while 'cunt' can be the direst insult in the UK, it's also used affectionately among friends (particularly groups of male mates in Scotland and the North, but also elsewhere).

A younger sex-positive woman would use the word, but most likely only during good sex. I have one lass's internal dialogue going

"Finally, he slid into my cunt.

If I was in the middle of a threesome with two men, neither of whom I was in a relationship with, that made me the kind of girl who used words like cunt, right?"


Given the largest audience on Lit use American English, I tend to use my native British English but be mindful of where terms need explaining.

And some terms, I just avoid. Fanny is a politer UK word for cunt. In America, it's the buttocks (usually women's?). So a dripping fanny in a sex scene sounds positive to a Brit; to a Yank reader it's suggesting anal leakage. They're not going to hang around for an explanation!
 
Yeah, while 'cunt' can be the direst insult in the UK, it's also used affectionately among friends (particularly groups of male mates in Scotland and the North, but also elsewhere).

A younger sex-positive woman would use the word, but most likely only during good sex. I have one lass's internal dialogue going

"Finally, he slid into my cunt.

If I was in the middle of a threesome with two men, neither of whom I was in a relationship with, that made me the kind of girl who used words like cunt, right?"


Given the largest audience on Lit use American English, I tend to use my native British English but be mindful of where terms need explaining.

And some terms, I just avoid. Fanny is a politer UK word for cunt. In America, it's the buttocks (usually women's?). So a dripping fanny in a sex scene sounds positive to a Brit; to a Yank reader it's suggesting anal leakage. They're not going to hang around for an explanation!

I'm a little surprised that 'fanny' is still used in the UK ... I couldn't remember the last time I heard that! Not something I'd ever incorporate into a story, so I guess I'm safe from cross-cultural misunderstandings there.

And yeah, we also relatively commonly refer to someone as a 'good cunt' if they're a decent sort of person (usually that would be a guy). It's meant as a term of endearment.
 
I'm a little surprised that 'fanny' is still used in the UK ... I couldn't remember the last time I heard that!
It's mainly used in a jocular, mildly-humorous way - but that's 90% of Britspeak, so yeah, it's still used. But less so now we're more aware of the Yank meaning.

It was in the 90s that my American aunt asked me to fetch her fanny pack from the bedroom, and I had no idea what she meant. My guess was a tampon...
 
I was more than a little surprised, driving in rush hour traffic with a very religious co-worker who yelled, "You cunt!" to an idiot who had cut us off and almost hit us.

He kind of blushed after, and I couldn't help it I laughed because he was such a bible thumper, I didn't think he'd even heard the word before, never mind knew how and when to use it.
 
Do carpenters get known as chippies and electricians as sparkies in America? I think they do in the theatre/movies, but maybe not in other industries?

Tradie and postie (postman, ie the person who puts the mail through your door) have become more common in the UK in the last 20 years because they're often female, as well as us not being able to resist playing with words.
No, a chippie here is, or at least was, a slightly more polite term than “whore” for a prostitute. I’ve never really heard it used in reference to an actual sex worker, though, only as a way to insult a woman seen as promiscuous, usually by someone that’s a Boomer or older. I remember it being a word that made it past the censors on TV back in the 80s and early 90s; I don’t know that I’ve heard it since then.

“Sparky” is a dog’s name here, or sometimes a mild insult for someone that seems a go-getter/asskisser. But that’s because they’re referencing the dog’s name. There is at least one electric or electrical repair company that uses a “Sparky” as its mascot, though, a sort of stick figure made out of lightning bolts with a lightbulb for a head.
 
I agree, but there's a challenge with that approach, especially considering the prevalent use of the first-person narrative on this platform.... Yet, it appears to be the norm here.
What's the basis for this "appears to be"?

I vaguely recall an analysis done some time ago that suggested it was roughly fifty/fifty first person/third person, with a tiny smattering of second person (not enough to be significant).

I'd have said (with no counting done) that most writers with more than a dozen or so stories under their belt are equally capable in either first or third, and the more prolific writers are possibly more likely to write in third.

But my gut feel is probably just as accurate as your assessment; that is, neither of us know. We need someone to do a random survey, or find the last survey done.
 
I was more than a little surprised, driving in rush hour traffic with a very religious co-worker who yelled, "You cunt!" to an idiot who had cut us off and almost hit us.

He kind of blushed after, and I couldn't help it I laughed because he was such a bible thumper, I didn't think he'd even heard the word before, never mind knew how and when to use it.
Yep, I remember well the dulcet tones of the three year old from the back seat, "Was that driver a right royal prick too, Daddy?"
 
I was more than a little surprised, driving in rush hour traffic with a very religious co-worker who yelled, "You cunt!" to an idiot who had cut us off and almost hit us.

He kind of blushed after, and I couldn't help it I laughed because he was such a bible thumper, I didn't think he'd even heard the word before, never mind knew how and when to use it.

People become totally different in their cars.
 
It's unrealistic for any human memory to retain such a vast array of words with unwavering precision. Yet, it appears to be the norm here.
I vaguely recall an analysis done some time ago that suggested it was roughly fifty/fifty first person/third person, with a tiny smattering of second person (not enough to be significant).

I love writing from the second person perspective, but every time I do that, there is some smartass in the comments that hates it because I am not really doing things to *him* 🤷
 
I agree, but there's a challenge with that approach, especially considering the prevalent use of the first-person narrative on this platform. Let's be honest: expressing our ideas in a manner that reflects our natural train of thought is much easier than adhering to the demands of the third-person perspective, which requires greater technique, style, and effort. In the context of the first person, lengthy and overly precise dialogues can eventually become absurd. It's unrealistic for any human memory to retain such a vast array of words with unwavering precision. Yet, it appears to be the norm here.
I both agree and disagree. I like to read witty dialogue, like the characters exist in a world where, instead of thinking of that comeback three hours later while sitting on the pot, they have it right in the moment, though that's a stylistic thing more than a right or wrong thing. So always having that exactly right word doesn't bother me as long as it's plausible that the character could know it.

And I don't think it's terribly hard to picture the world vicariously through your POV character. It helps me to not write the story right away, let the character percolate and solidify for a week or so in my mind.

Also, the stuff on here tends to be polished first drafts. I doubt anyone's going through rounds of critiques and revisions to get all the little voice nuances right, so I'm pretty forgiving on that.

And with free indirect speech, 3rd person can essentially be written as first person depending on how close the author wants the POV to be. So omniscient seems to be the real trick, but that was never my cup of tea so I don't know anything about it, really.

To your last point, off the top of my head, I can't really think of an example where a complex emotion is effectively told like "She was simultaneously happy and sad."

Maybe if her boyfriend died and "She was elated at his death! Wonderful! But then, her mood falls; she wonders, 'Who's going to trim the lilacs, now?'" But that example's not really straight up telling her emotions, either.
 
So I finally uploaded it ... and it gets to sit in the 'pending' purgatory for however long *that* takes.
 

How much back story and character description​

I’m not sure how much this helps. But I’ve recently gone back to a story that I started writing a while ago and then stopped. It’s a quasi-autobiographical story and I am always tempted to explain more with those.

But… the first thing I did, looking at it as a slightly more experienced writer, was to take the introduction and move it to my cheat notes section at the end. I introduced the things that were necessary as I went along and left out (or am leaving out - I haven’t finished it yet) what was not necessary.

But… I also sometimes write short jerk-off stories. I often self-describe in them, mostly for narcissistic reasons. I want the readers to be jerking off to me, not some random image.

Yes my therapist knows. I have issues, this is public knowledge.

Em
 
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