Mechanism for removing reported stories.

[SimonDoom]

Why do you perpetuate this claim with such certainty? You are hardly the only one doing it, but still, why? At first I thought that people who have been around for a long time are privy to some things that most of us aren't. But it turns out you all know jack shit,

You're 100% right about this: I don't know jack shit about how this site is run. And that's why I don't complain about it (much--I do complain sometimes). I don't know how this site is run, other than that it seems to be run by just 2 people. There's no basis for me to complain. I don't praise, either, except to say I'm glad this platform exists. I just write my stories. I focus on the good and I ignore the not so good.

It's perfectly reasonable to question how the site does certain things. There's no basis at all to get on one's high-horse about it.

 

[PastMaster]

There's no basis at all to get on one's high-horse about it.

It could be argued that the reaction of some of the older hands here (not you obvioulsy) escalates what may at first have been a reasonable question - to a 'high horse' situation
If i could be bothered I'd find the thread i'm thinking about where a newish member asked about an U18 situation, was told probably no - then said he wouldnt post on here then - then he got told his story was shit because he couldnt age the charachter in question - and then he, well we both, got accused of being pedophiles.
This all from a perfectly innocent question - which was initially answered and done - before the mob arrived.

 

[Voboy]

It could be argued that the reaction of some of the older hands here (not you obvioulsy) escalates what may at first have been a reasonable question - to a 'high horse' situation
If i could be bothered I'd find the thread i'm thinking about where a newish member asked about an U18 situation, was told probably no - then said he wouldnt post on here then - then he got told his story was shit because he couldnt age the charachter in question - and then he, well we both, got accused of being pedophiles.
This all from a perfectly innocent question - which was initially answered and done - before the mob arrived.

Can you change any of this?

No?

Let it go... relax. You'll be much happier.

 

[PastMaster]

Can you change any of this?

No?

Let it go... relax. You'll be much happier.

So you're saying just sit back and take the abuse?
FUCK NO!!!
That would definately not make me happier.

 

[Voboy]

So you're saying just sit back and take the abuse?
FUCK NO!!!
That would definately not make me happier.

I'll try once more.

Don't "sit back and take the abuse."

The abuse already happened. You did not sit back; awesome. Well and good.

But... to repeat the obvious? It already happened. It doesn't need to keep happening in every thread you post, but yet it does. Partly because you seem to enjoy relitigating all your grievances.

I'm wondering why.

 

[PastMaster]

I'll try once more.

Don't "sit back and take the abuse."

The abuse already happened. You did not sit back; awesome. Well and good.

But... to repeat the obvious? It already happened. It doesn't need to keep happening in every thread you post, but yet it does. Partly because you seem to enjoy relitigating all your grievances.

I'm wondering why.

I already said - It's done and I wont mention it again

I've made my point - i'll not mention it again. Nor will I mention the U18 rule again unless it is to explain to a new author, who asks, how best not to fall foul of it.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Thanks at least for the reply.

Would you do me a HUGE favour and read this https://www.literotica.com/s/heavy-traffic-ch-13?page=2 from about halfway down - the passage starts
"Twenty-one", counted I-Bar as the latest gang member released his orgasm directly into the eyes of the bitch.

I really would like to know how that does not breach the torture - and snuff rules of the site.

For the record, and easily verified by reviewing past posts, I have never “boasted” about breaking the rules here.

However, I have repeatedly stated that content which at face value might appear to break the rules is found within many stories on this site and that the context in which the content is used could play a role in it being accepted when similar content from another author is rejected.

I have given examples within my own works as well as those of other authors of underage characters being in stories, song lyrics being used, torture/brutality in scenes, and other items that exist here while a new story with similar content has been rejected.

Is that fair? No. Is it a reality? Yes.

The chapter that has PastMaster’s ire up is the 13th of 20 chapters and has been posted on Literotica for 2,876 days. The story is not the feel-good “stroke-till-you're-broke” story that many readers and writers here favor. It is a disturbing story about a brutal subject: human trafficking.

The scene described is disgusting, but so are many of the sexual activities that several authors here write about. The difference is that this exact story (under a different title) is accepted and sold by mainstream retailers worldwide, is doing quite well, and is available in many public libraries. How many of PastMaster’s stories can say the same?

 

[PastMaster]

For the record, and easily verified by reviewing past posts, I have never “boasted” about breaking the rules here.

However, I have repeatedly stated that content which at face value might appear to break the rules is found within many stories on this site and that the context in which the content is used could play a role in it being accepted when similar content from another author is rejected.

I have given examples within my own works as well as those of other authors of underage characters being in stories, song lyrics being used, torture/brutality in scenes, and other items that exist here while a new story with similar content has been rejected.

Is that fair? No. Is it a reality? Yes.

The chapter that has PastMaster’s ire up is the 13th of 20 chapters and has been posted on Literotica for 2,876 days. The story is not the feel-good “stroke-till-you're-broke” story that many readers and writers here favor. It is a disturbing story about a brutal subject: human trafficking.

The scene described is disgusting, but so are many of the sexual activities that several authors here write about. The difference is that this exact story (under a different title) is accepted and sold by mainstream retailers worldwide, is doing quite well, and is available in many public libraries. How many of PastMaster’s stories can say the same?

I've made my point - i'll not mention it again. Nor will I mention the U18 rule again unless it is to explain to a new author, who asks, how best not to fall foul of it.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Is everyone happy now?

 

[KeithD]

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Is everyone happy now?

Not reacting to the context but wondering if, in fact, a notice was sent that they had been pulled. At one time, there was no way an author knew this had been done unless she/he stumbled upon it being gone. Authors are receiving notification now when/if one of their works is pulled off the site?

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I suppose I probably qualify under "everyone", but I assure you my level of happiness is unchanged.
On a more serious note, I don't get why you did that, unless you wanted to do it? I mean, I am assuming you requested it, or was it done under OP's request? If you are the one who requested it, then acting hurt is just silly. No one was twisting your arm here, this was just one of many such topics about this kind of content. Either way, as I said in one recent post, the responsibility isn't yours, it's Lit's, so in my eyes you were justified to keep the story up. If it was done due to OP's request, then your beef should be with Lit, not with him. I said the same thing to him about his own story.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Not reacting to the context but wondering if, in fact, a notice was sent that they had been pulled. At one time, there was no way an author knew this had been done unless she/he stumbled upon it being gone. Authors are receiving notification now when/if one of their works is pulled off the site?

The screenshot image is from the notifications I received earlier today.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I suppose I probably qualify under "everyone", but I assure you my level of happiness is unchanged.
On a more serious note, I don't get why you did that, unless you wanted to do it? I mean, I am assuming you requested it, or was it done under OP's request? If you are the one who requested it, then acting hurt is just silly. No one was twisting your arm here, this was just one of many such topics about this kind of content. Either way, as I said in one recent post, the responsibility isn't yours, it's Lit's, so in my eyes you were justified to keep the story up. If it was done due to OP's request, then your beef should be with Lit, not with him. I said the same thing to him about his own story.

I didn't do it.

The question posed by the OP apparently motivated enough others to follow his lead. If you were one of those, then you're an "everyone".

And, my beef is with Lit for allowing some crybaby(ies) to bully another writer's material off the site. I'll give Laurel and Manu a chance to reconsider before pulling the story entirely. It won't work with two missing chapters.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I didn't do it.

The question posed by the OP apparently motivated enough others to follow his lead. If you were one of those, then you're an "everyone".

I most certainly didn't ask for such a thing, and I never will. I don't feel the responsibility to report questionable stories, as I am not Lit's cop. Their site - their rules - their responsibility.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I most certainly didn't ask for such a thing, and I never will. I don't feel the responsibility to report questionable stories, as I am not Lit's cop. Their site - their rules - their responsibility.

Thanks

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

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Is everyone happy now?

One of the main reasons I don't publish my work on this site (I hope I'm still allowed to even post here in that case) is that Literotica doesn't have "rules", as in actual regulations about what is and isn't allowed. Instead, it has "Content Guidelines", which are more of an indication of what they don't want to see in your stories.

Even those guidelines seem to me like a compromise between the kink-positive, free speech platform they wanted to create thirty years ago, and the legal ramifications this would certainly entail in today's society. As far as I know, back then, the only "rule" they had was: Every character needs to be an adult. Apart from that, anything's fine.

That isn't possible anymore, but that's what they seemingly still want, which would explain the lack of consistency in their "rule"-enforcement.

In my personal experience, the success-rate in reporting a story depends on how you phrase your report. If your message boils down to "I don't think this story is compatible with rule X", chances are, nothing happens. Whether or not something is still free speech is, after all, a subjective question.
However, if your message tells them "Publishing this story is going to get you into trouble, because...", the likelyhood of the story being pulled is a lot higher.

Alternatively, when something happens to you like with this threat, when a lot of people start reporting a story, it sends the same message and something is done about it quickly.

Now, here's a question: Who should you actually blame for this?

Is it the people who reported your story? That it was publicly accessable for almost eight years is no indication for whether or not it should've been publicly accessable. People had to find it before they could have reported it.
If this was just unjust mob-mentality, why did the admins then pull your story? Either they screwed up when they published it in the first place, and now admitted that it goes too far, or they just demonstrated that they didn't check your story at all, and simply pulled it to be safe.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Now, here's a question: Who should you actually blame for this?

The blame lies with Literotica.

As I mentioned in a previous post above, some of the content is violent but does not violate the rules because it does not incite, encourage, or promote sexual gratification, titillation, or arousal from said violence. That is why the same story (under a different title) is allowed to be sold worldwide in retail stores and is even placed in several public libraries.

With over 30,000 views in eight years, there has been no objection here to any of the content within the entire story until one author made it his mission to get other authors' works rejected like his own.

 

[djrip]

As far as I know, back then, the only "rule" they had was: Every character needs to be an adult. Apart from that, anything's fine.

You said something like this before. There is no rule that every character must be an adult. The rule is minors not engage in any kind of sex.

 

[PastMaster]

The blame lies with Literotica.

As I mentioned in a previous post above, some of the content is violent but does not violate the rules because it does not incite, encourage, or promote sexual gratification, titillation, or arousal from said violence. That is why the same story (under a different title) is allowed to be sold worldwide in retail stores and is even placed in several public libraries.

With over 30,000 views in eight years, there has been no objection here to any of the content within the entire story until one author made it his mission to get other authors' works rejected like his own.

The blame lies truly with Literotica.

The point I was making, and sadly it was your story I used to make it, was that they do not enforce their so called rules fairly. And while SimonDoom would say that they have no obligation to do so, his point was very elequently repudiated by belleCanzuto.

There are many many works in mainstream publication that would not be allowed to be posted on here, many of which are also in public libraries. That mainstream publishers are willling to publish something is not an argument for it to be allowed here. Either they have rules or they don't. If they do - then they should be applied equally and evenly to all.

But what I found to be more telling was how the same people who were condemning my story as a horrific act of violence, where the most violent act that occurred was someone got shot, defended your story. talking about context and length of story and the fact it would be allowed in mainstream publication.

I could probably find a million books in mainstream publication where someone gets shot.

When I first published hitman - it was rejected because the person got shot during the sex act. - OK so i changed it - so that they got shot afterward to separate the act from the death. I'd breached a rule - It didnt make that much difference to the story - so it was no issue to change it.

The reason I mention this is to show that when it was reposted, it was vetted by a person, and did not just 'slip through the net' when it was finally republished to the site.

Still - someone decided, having seen the furore raised in the forums - to report it again and once again it was pulled. They claimed violence, and they even claimed that I had plagiarized the story. There was no proof offered, no source work suggested - just a bald unsubstantiated lie They wanted the story taken down so they LIED to get it done.

When I challenged again - asking for proof of plagiarizm and pointing out that my story didnt break any rules - it was reinstated.

Perhaps that will happen to your story too - if you make your case - they may reinstate it.

I still maintain though that it does indeed breach the noncon rule (the victim must get some pleasure from the act) and the victim does indeed die - from injuries sustained from the rape - that is snuff - no matter how many words there are between cause and effect.

We'll see which of us Laurel agrees with when you make your case.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

You said something like this before. There is no rule that every character must be an adult. The rule is minors not engage in any kind of sex.

First of all, I wrote about the rule from thirty years ago, so I'm not sure why you are correcting me with the current "rule".

Second, the rule isn't that minors are not allowed to engage in "any kind of sex". The Guideline is that minors are not allowed to engage in sexual intercourse, masturbation, voyeurism, exhibitionism, fantasizing, or even discussions about sexual relations. This list is also expanced by the added "including but not limited to".

Basically, minors can not be involved in anything regarding sex on a site that primarily deals in erotica, so forgive me for assuming that minors in the stories here are a general hard sell.

 

[KeithD]

The blame lies truly with Literotica.

The point I was making, and sadly it was your story I used to make it, was that they do not enforce their so called rules fairly. And while SimonDoom would say that they have no obligation to do so, his point was very elequently repudiated by belleCanzuto.

Well, no. Yes, it would be very nice if there were rules that were unformily applied, but, no, this is a private Web site. It's under no obligation to be fair or equal. It can reject whatever it wants, on an individual basis, that it wants to reject.

This Web site isn't subject to any restriction on this point. It just isn't.

Users aren't entitled here on that point.

 

[alohadave]

The blame lies truly with Literotica.

Perhaps, but you bear no small responsibility for having the these particular chapters pulled.

It stinks of retaliation in the name of 'fairness'. You have complained in multiple threads about how unfair it is that your story was reported and rejected, when BobbyBrandt's was up for eight years.

We'll see which of us Laurel agrees with when you make your case.

And if she reinstates them, should we expect more threads about it?

 

[lovecraft68]

The cliff notes and message of this thread is this.
Follow the rules...but don't worry that there are stories here that break the rules.
The same people who cry in outrage over the under age rule...don't think any other rule should be followed.
The Under age rule is not vague at all and there is no excuse to run afoul of it
Every other rule is vague so its okay to break it.
Tell new people who ask about the rules that they need to stay within the rules
Then post not to complain about stories that break them(this point is worth repeating)
Underage is wrong, totally, you debate it you're all but called a child molester
But the other rules, "well people do try to write realistically and the rules can be restricting.
Writing a quick "We had sex in the back of my car at 16" well that should be booted
Brutal description of rape and torture is about "context" and post after post to justify it.
We have some real double standards going here, don't we.

The honest answer moving forward should be "write your story and see if it slips through" because if it does? Its just fine.

 

[PastMaster]

And if she reinstates them, should we expect more threads about it?

Just one - I will congratulate bobbybrandt on getting his story reinstated.

 

[PastMaster]

Underage is wrong, totally, you debate it you're all but called a child molester

Not all but.. I was catagorically called a pedophile.