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[PastMaster]

What surprises me is the number of people who think their teenage sexuality equates to literary merit and a story worth telling. I'm sure we've all got our first time story here, but some folk really do go on about the need for historical depth and character integrity a little too much.

It's bollocks, I reckon. Age them up as required like I did, write it once and be done with it. The world has enough eighteen year olds already, and a few misplaced virginities here and there makes no difference at all. There's only so much angst you can ring out of it.

Its not bollocks at all - why not tell Stephen King to age Carrie up and see his reaction.
Tell Philip pullman to age Lyra up in his dark materials.
Just because your stories will work, if you age the characters, doesnt mean every story will.

 

[KeithD]

Its not bollocks at all - why not tell Stephen King to age Carrie up and see his reaction.
Tell Philip pullman to age Lyra up in his dark materials.
Just because your stories will work, if you age the characters, doesnt mean every story will.

Then post it somewhere else, like adult writers do.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Its not bollocks at all - why not tell Stephen King to age Carrie up and see his reaction.
Tell Philip pullman to age Lyra up in his dark materials.
Just because your stories will work, if you age the characters, doesnt mean every story will.

Are they publishing on Literotica? No.

That's a stupid argument to make, when Lit is not their publishing platform.

Argue within the bounds of the argument, which is Literotica, not a mainstream publishing house.

 

[PastMaster]

Are they publishing on Literotica? No.

That's a stupid argument to make, when Lit is not their publishing platform.

Argue within the bounds of the argument, which is Literotica, not a mainstream publishing house.

The argument was that characters in a story could be easily aged up to meet the lit guidelines - My point was that that was not necessarily the case - those two stories immediately sprang to mind. Not that either of them included actual sex.
But as always in these forums the same people just shout down anyone that dares voice an opinion that is not theirs. Yes you may see these same arguments over and over again - but to those posting - this i the first time they have seen them. You hardly make the forums a welcoming place by hurling abuse and accusing people of being pedofiles.

 

[KeithD]

These same people tell you--correctly--that this is a Web site policy, not a voting situation on the discussion board. And these same people do what they can to help folks like you understand both the policy and that there is zero reason to argue with them about the Web site policy. And still folks like you just argue on and on against a Web site administration that isn't paying a bit of attention to your hurt.

Well, it's your problem/issue and you are being pissy with folks who are trying to help you understand reality. It can just remain your problem/issue.

 

[Voboy]

The argument was that characters in a story could be easily aged up to meet the lit guidelines - My point was that that was not necessarily the case - those two stories immediately sprang to mind. Not that either of them included actual sex.
But as always in these forums the same people just shout down anyone that dares voice an opinion that is not theirs. Yes you may see these same arguments over and over again - but to those posting - this i the first time they have seen them. You hardly make the forums a welcoming place by hurling abuse and accusing people of being pedofiles.

Nobody is saying underage stories necessarily lack merit. It's not a slam on writers or their work. Carrie is a good work of fiction. It's also published not at Lit but by Doubleday, and if you don't imagine King had to make some edits to meet their editorial policy, then you're not being realistic.

What you've been told MANY times now is that underage stories simply don't belong here. That's not the fault of anyone in these threads, so you're lashing out at the wrong people.

 

[PastMaster]

Nobody is saying underage stories necessarily lack merit. It's not a slam on writers or their work. Carrie is a good work of fiction. It's also published not at Lit but by Doubleday, and if you don't imagine King had to make some edits to meet their editorial policy, then you're not being realistic.

What you've been told MANY times now is that underage stories simply don't belong here. That's not the fault of anyone in these threads, so you're lashing out at the wrong people.

but the argument wasnt about publishing unerage here - the op said he was NOT going to publish here -for that reason. it was then the statement that not being able to age a character meant the story was rubbish that caused the problem

 

[Voboy]

but the argument wasnt about publishing unerage here - the op said he was NOT going to publish here -for that reason. it was then the statement that not being able to age a character meant the story was rubbish that caused the problem

Oh. I'm sorry. I must have failed to understand.

If only my stories were a damn sight better, then perhaps my reading comprehension would improve. Sigh.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Its not bollocks at all - why not tell Stephen King to age Carrie up and see his reaction.
Tell Philip pullman to age Lyra up in his dark materials.
Just because your stories will work, if you age the characters, doesnt mean every story will.

They aged both those characters up for the movie and HBO series, respectively, and neither author voiced a complaint that I know of.

Just sayin'.

 

[PastMaster]

They aged both those characters up for the movie and HBO series, respectively, and neither author voiced a complaint hat I know of.

Just sayin'.

Nor would they - given the money involved.

 

[oggbashan]

No!

I am dying. I have been on Loterotica for over 20 years and my patience has run out.

You have a wonderful story IF you could just tweek the 18+ rule?

NO, you haven't. You are a Fucking paedophile who wants to pollute Literotica with your sick fantasies.

If I could, I would do a Bobbit on you with rusty secaturs. You should be on a sex offenders register.

If will report every attempt to get around the 18+ rules. If you are a repeat offender or supporter I will ask for your account to be banned.

Fuck off to the other cess pits that will accept your paedophilia.

 

[djrip]

Jesus fucking christ, why isn't there a downvote in this forum.

 

[Defluer]

Jesus fucking christ, why isn't there a downvote in this forum.

There probably should be a Vote to "Close Discussion" which would drop it away and not let anymore replies. I think that would save some of us a lot of time of answering the same questions over and over again. 1 person answers, then 10 of us vote that that is a good answer, CASE CLOSED.

 

[MelissaBaby]

There probably should be a Vote to "Close Discussion" which would drop it away and not let anymore replies. I think that would save some of us a lot of time of answering the same questions over and over again. 1 person answers, then 10 of us vote that that is a good answer, CASE CLOSED.

What we really need is a "block thread" option.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

It's easy to say "It's not fair that I can't write what I want".

It's easy to say, "Bug off and follow the rules".

Writing "right" isn't that easy.

Try to find a responsible, mature editor who understands sensible constraints and how to adjust a story's words, phrasing, and context to fit within those constraints and you can achieve the same success here as others have with whatever you choose to write.

 

[oggbashan]

It's easy to say "It's not fair that I can't write what I want".

It's easy to say, "Bug off and follow the rules".

Writing "right" isn't that easy.

Try to find a responsible, mature editor who understands sensible constraints and how to adjust a story's words, phrasing, and context to fit within those constraints and you can achieve the same success here as others have with whatever you choose to write.

It is also easy to say 'That's not like the real world'.

Lit isn't. This is a place for adults to write stories about adults. If you can't accept that? Stay away.

I have seen more than 20 years of people trying to get around the rule. Stop it!

 

[BobbyBrandt]

It is also easy to say 'That's not like the real world'.

Lit isn't. This is a place for adults to write stories about adults. If you can't accept that? Stay away.

I have seen more than 20 years of people trying to get around the rule. Stop it!

There are children in almost every adult's world, so it is nonsensical for you or anyone else to claim that they have no role in any story here.

The objective of the rule concerning underage characters is completely focused upon their exposure to sexual activities of any kind in whatever world they are placed. Accept that as the basis for advising new writers on the rule rather than damning them for asking how to do it.

I concede that the impetus for most members visiting Literotica is it preponderance for erotic and pornographic literature. I will not agree that those are the only material on the site, or the only subjects of interest to all the members. You write many stories with little or no erotic content, so why do you assume that every other writer and story is only about sex? Adults can and do write and read about other topics... in the real world anyway.

 

[oggbashan]

I have NO problem with children in a story.

The people I am attacking are those who want to have children involved in sex in a story. That is against Lit's rules yet people having been trying to do it for decades.

There is a simple solution. Join the hundreds of thousands of authors who have no problem with staying within the rule. That way you and Lit have no problem.

 

[djrip]

No. You are accusing people of being pedophiles because they asked about having cheating adults caught because a minor (who is over the age of consent in many jurisdictions) saw a photo. Cut it the fuck out.

 

[KeithD]

No. You are accusing people of being pedophiles because they asked about having cheating adults caught because a minor (who is over the age of consent in many jurisdictions) saw a photo. Cut it the fuck out.

Just let it slide. Read the room and the circumstances.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Just let it slide. Read the room and the circumstances.

Ditto. Consider the circumstances and ask yourself if it's worth it.

 

[oggbashan]

No. You are accusing people of being pedophiles because they asked about having cheating adults caught because a minor (who is over the age of consent in many jurisdictions) saw a photo. Cut it the fuck out.

NO! This is about people whjo want to break the rules and write about children and sex. That is the act of a paedophile.

I and the AH have had twenty+ years of this crap.

It has to stop.

I haven't got another 20 years to deal with it. I probably haven't even got the rest of this year.

After 20 years I have had enough. I have gone from being polite to being VERY angry.

 

[djrip]

Ogg, I'm sorry some of the people here were assholes to you. I tried not to be, while still expressing disagreement. I'm sure what you describe has happened. But the guy in the recent thread was asking about what I listed above, and you called him a pedophile. That's a serious accusation that should only be brought out when it is very definitely appropriate. Which would not include Nabokov, in my opinion, for instance. Nor would it include the author of an autobiographical account of their own sexual experience as a minor, in my view. Neither lolita nor the autobiography would work on lit, but they would not indicate pedophilia either. Apologies if I expressed this poorly earlier.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Point of order right there. There are no "moderators" rejecting stories. There is one, solitary submissions editor. Laurel.

And she’s (in my experience) not the unreasonable, inflexible, hard-nosed bitch that some rejected authors describe. I’d recommend talking to her. I’d recommend being reasonable.

The first story I wrote for here must have been rejected 15+ times. Then I was writing about myself having just turned 18 and an integral part of the story was me being depressed that I looked like an even younger girl. Now this was both true and a motivation for other things in the story, but I can now see how sketchy it must have seemed to Laurel. Especially as this was before I was writing under my own name and I had other (entirely made up) story elements which pushed it even closer to the edge.

I had two other stories published before this one eventually limped across the line. I wouldn’t have persisted except that it meant something to me personally.

Since then, I have never had a single story rejected (except one I wrote very quickly and which had horrendous spelling and grammar - fair enough). I have found I can write what I want to write without falling foul of anything. Unless your motivation is really to secretly break the rules and have a laugh about it, I can’t see why most writers couldn’t get by. Use your imagination FFS.

Anyway, I’m being awful to my boyfriend, who has been kind enough to take me away for a couple of days and probably doesn’t need to sit watching me pontificate on Lit.

Em

 

[PastMaster]

NO! This is about people whjo want to break the rules and write about children and sex. That is the act of a paedophile.

I and the AH have had twenty+ years of this crap.

It has to stop.

I haven't got another 20 years to deal with it. I probably haven't even got the rest of this year.

After 20 years I have had enough. I have gone from being polite to being VERY angry.

If it makes you that angry then perhaps - for your own sake - you should stop reading these threads. As you say you have had 20+ years of it, you know exactly what is going to be said. Why subject yourself to it, if it is going to upset you so much.
Unless - it is giving you an outlet for your anger about something else. - in which case - fill your boots.