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KeithD said:
I just gave up because nothing was going to change
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I'm not expecting a response, and this must have been suggested before, but if all those authors that got together to shout at people for raising the same old issues over and over again, got together with those authors like LC wsho continue to 'troll' about it as you so elequently put it. Perhaps even add in a few of the 'drive-by's' as i was so elequently described I think it might have been by you but i may be mistaken on that. Perhaps if we ALL got together - and raised a coherent request to the site admins, possibly - just possibly something might change?
It is certain that as long as anyone that complains is marginalized by the other members there is no real reason for change to occur. Why do any extra work as a site admin if any complaints are dealt with by ignoring them and having old timers scream at the complainants, that nothing is going to change, until they go away.
 
PastMaster said:
I'm not expecting a response, and this must have been suggested before, but if all those authors that got together to shout at people for raising the same old issues over and over again, got together with those authors like LC wsho continue to 'troll' about it as you so elequently put it. Perhaps even add in a few of the 'drive-by's' as i was so elequently described I think it might have been by you but i may be mistaken on that. Perhaps if we ALL got together - and raised a coherent request to the site admins, possibly - just possibly something might change?
It is certain that as long as anyone that complains is marginalized by the other members there is no real reason for change to occur. Why do any extra work as a site admin if any complaints are dealt with by ignoring them and having old timers scream at the complainants, that nothing is going to change, until they go away.
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That you assume nothing like this has been done before just shows why you are a problem on this.

Hell, I was involved in this over a decade ago and got called a troll by Laurel herself for the effort. You can jolly well ask LC about that. He brings it up occasionally himself. He's a regular J. Edgar Hoover, he is, in all manifestations of that little worm. He's got his nose up everyone's butt here and delights in shit-stirring.

There are problems with the submissions process. The job is too big for the effort that's being devoted to it. I posted as much on the thread you personally attacked me on. The users have not failed to see this and point it out and make suggestions on fixing it and forever and a day have been met with *crickets* from the site. Fuckers like you fail to understand this when those of us who have been through the wars on that and to understand reality here. So, what we've done is fall back to learning how to work with the system that's provided--because, with all its faults, it's still the best showcase in town.

And twice a week fuckers like you waltz through throwing their ignorance around and demanding change like they have some secret knowledge that they can make it happen. Those of us who've been through the mill and have fallen back onto using the system given rather than railing against it do try to help fuckers like you use the system without receiving the battle scars those who came before you have. Sometimes that's appreciated. But sometimes fuckers like you who assume they are smarter than everyone else bite the hands of those who took the time and effort to try to help them.

Get this through your little brain: the users of the Web site have absolutely no control over or responsibility for the Web site's selection policies. The best we can do is to try to help users understand and work with them. Further, the Web site is now and ever has been nonresponsive to user requests on changing--or even comprehensively explaining--their policies. The people you have attacked spend a good part of their day trying to explain to other users what the Web site is failing to explain.

That's where we are these last two days with you--except you seem to be a special form of self-important.

And then we have folks like LC who is just bat-shit crazy and mad at life in general. He really needs mental health support he obviously isn't getting. A profile came out recently on who would be the mass-casualty shooter we are seeing nearly every day in the United States, and LC's board behavior matches this profile to a T. He shows exactly as the guy who after all of the bodies have been scooped up is identified as someone who should have been spotted and controlled before he went sharpshooter.

The issue with Ogg is that he's a long-term, very valuable contributor here who is obviously going through a crisis that anyone who is half awake here can understand and that damn well shouldn't be ham-fisted made worse by the arrogant likes of you. You were asked to back off and just let it slide, but you're too important and self-righteous to do that, right?
 
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Civility seems so overrated on Lit boards these days... I don't understand the need for such vile language and personal attacks over things like these, especially since all this vile argument doesn't lead anywhere. We could all of us here reach a consensus that animal sex is allowed and it would still mean absolutely nothing, as Lit's rules depend on one person only. So you are all getting worked up and trading insults over nothing. I haven't been here for long, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that, aside from topics where someone asks a technical question about Lit, the only topics worth discussing, are topics not directly related to Lit or to the way Lit works.
If you feel like escalating this pointless argument further, do so, but try to add a touch of grace at least...
 
KeithD said:
That you assume nothing like this has been done before just shows why you are a problem on this.

Hell, I was involved in this over a decade ago and got called a troll by Laurel herself for the effort. You can jolly well ask LC about that. He brings it up occasionally himself. He's a regular J. Edgar Hoover, he is, in all manifestations of that little worm. He's got his nose up everyone's butt here and delights in shit-stirring.

There are problems with the submissions process. The job is too big for the effort that's being devoted to it. I posted as much on the thread you personally attacked me on. The users have not failed to see this and point it out and make suggestions on fixing it and forever and a day have been met with *crickets* from the site. Fuckers like you fail to understand this when those of us who have been through the wars on that and to understand reality here. So, what we've done is fall back to learning how to work with the system that's provided--because, with all its faults, it's still the best showcase in town.

And twice a week fuckers like you waltz through throwing their ignorance around and demanding change like they have some secret knowledge that they can make it happen. Those of us who've been through the mill and have fallen back onto using the system given rather than railing against it do try to help fuckers like you use the system without receiving the battle scars those who came before you have. Sometimes that's appreciated. But sometimes fuckers like you who assume they are smarter than everyone else bite the hands of those who took the time and effort to try to help them.

Get this through your little brain: the users of the Web site have absolutely no control over or responsibility for the Web site's selection policies. The best we can do is to try to help users understand and work with them. Further, the Web site is now and ever has been nonresponsive to user requests on changing--or even comprehensively explaining--their policies. The people you have attacked spend a good part of their day trying to explain to other users what the Web site is failing to explain.

That's where we are these last two days with you--except you seem to be a special form of self-important.

And then we have folks like LC who is just bat-shit crazy and mad at life in general. He really needs mental health support he obviously isn't getting. A profile came out recently on who would be the mass-casualty shooter we are seeing nearly every day in the United States, and LC's board behavior matches this profile to a T. He shows exactly as the guy who after all of the bodies have been scooped up is identified as someone who should have been spotted and controlled before he went sharpshooter.

The issue with Ogg is that he's a long-term, very valuable contributor here who is obviously going through a crisis that anyone who is half awake here can understand and that damn well shouldn't be ham-fisted made worse by the arrogant likes of you. You were asked to back off and just let it slide, but you're too important and self-righteous to do that, right?
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If you actually read my post - the second sentance was "and this must have been tried before" so to open your post that i assume it has never been tried before makes the entirety of your post irrelevant.
so - i'm going to take a leaf out of your book - and respond to you - as you responded to me.
You're a dick
You're a dick
You're a dick

and did i mention you're a dick!
 
Voboy said:
It's unfortunate that the very member who rails against "old posters dredging up the same old shit" is now quite eager to stir up some of that old shit.

Going out of his way, in fact.
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Have the stones to name me.

I'm tired of the self righteousness of a bunch of asshats who have done far worse here than ask questions about under aged stories.
 
PastMaster said:
If you actually read my post - the second sentance was "and this must have been tried before" so to open your post that i assume it has never been tried before makes the entirety of your post irrelevant.
so - i'm going to take a leaf out of your book - and respond to you - as you responded to me.
You're a dick
You're a dick
You're a dick

and did i mention you're a dick!
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I didn't expect any better from you. Did I mention that you and LC were so similar? ;)
 
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