Voter Intimidation in Az

[Rotadom]

The Democrats pulled that stunt in places like Philadelphia in the past...

Now do this decade and then re-read my post

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Accomplishing?

They're manning the drop boxes, that's what. And they are video taping everyone that makes a drop. I think that sums it up.

As far as being armed, AZ is an 'open carry' state, always has been and for some it's an easy concealed carry state. Hell, I have an AZ concealed carry permit and I don't even live there.

There is a method to their madness and no citizen going about their everyday business should feel intimidated. Wave, smile, drop the ballot in and go on your merry way. BUT, those that may have other motives should feel intimidated. Video taped, and walking into a really bad situation should they consider confronting the drop box watchers and are in for a really bad day. Now, there are rules and I'm fairly certain that the watchers know the rules. That being the case all the voters can do is bitch................fuck'em.

lol, what an old idiot.

 

[lovecraft68]

Ah yes, here comes the pre medicating of the leftist election deniers....who have spent two years screaming how the other side denies elections

This I know you are, but what am I shit is getting old

But the morons you see here are a great example of the rest of this country who should all be on a damn blue or red painted short bus with flavored windows for better licking.

 

[lovecraft68]

Now do this decade and then re-read my post

Oh, it was in the past, so its cool?

Then again the dems past of wanting to keep slaves, founding the KKK and a president who was against stopping segregation gets ignored too.

 

[RachelWalsh]

Voting in America is very intimidating. It makes it seem like voters can somehow stop this shit show if they make the right choice. LMFAO

 

[Dribble]

Fascist Nazis. The answer is simple in any other country...but Americans do not have the balls to do what is necessary and as a result, violence becomes inevitable

 

[lovecraft68]

Now that I think of it, those guys are probably antifa, like half the people at Jan 6th. When are the pallets of bricks showing up?

 

[ERedBoyd]

Anyone who does it, should be arrested D or R.

The down side of this logic is this. It only works if you are completely neutral. If you are a D, then anything the D's do at the voter's booths is legit. If you are R, the same thing. I don't disagree, just don't see much enforcement of that depending on the districts you live in. It really is a shame.

Bottom line is politics has been saturated into literally every aspect of our lives including the law. Depending on which side of then fence you are on, determines which laws you push hard on and which ones you don't. That is the facts now days. Until we can get back to a point where burning down a business during a riot or intimidating supreme court justices because you don't like their decisions in court or trying to intimidate voters is treated equally across the board and criminals prosecuted equally for those crimes, don't expect anything to be fair and equal anymore.

And with that logic in place knowing the other side of the fence really isn't listening, what are your choices now? Name calling (which of course is really productive but usually the only tool remaining of the weak minded)? Joining the party of intimidaters (because of course if you can't have it fair, might as well join the team that is winning right)?

 

[LupusDei]

They're manning the drop boxes, that's what. And they are video taping everyone that makes a drop. I think that sums it up.

Sure, that's obviously what they do, but don't answer my question that was why? There should be some motivation, purpose to pass time in this exact way. No, it's not obvious.

Their cosplay aside, even the presence of weapons is on itself is secondary, the behavior would be just as disturbing without all that. Being videotaped without consent or warning (and statement of purpose in accordance to permits) should be a violation even without context of voting (tall order, I know, in today's cameras-everywere world, and not the case in too many places and contexts in practice if not law).

I mean, yes, I would consider to demand them to provide identification and statement of purpose, and explicitly retract my consent of being videotaped. And/or use a different place or method of voting options permitting.

Because, I do value the anonymity of my vote. You know, in certain contexts even the plain proof of participation can be excuse for discrimination or potentially even repression. And yours is at acute risk to develop in that direction so it's not quite only theoretical.

It is EVERY citizens job asshole ...

Interesting. So you suggest everyone should hover on the street corner near a vote dropbox overnight. Aside of potential of a fun bloc party that could develop, isn't that a bit ridiculous?

The colleges can do as they please but outside those hollowed towers of Babel we're taking away the "safe zones."

So you basically admit that there's no other purpose than intimidate and terrorize the "wrong" people.

 

[icanhelp1]

None of that is their job. Unless your name is Herschel Walker, you can't just wake up in the morning and decide you're an officer of the law.

Who said anything about enforcing the law? Monitoring activity at the legal distance is breaking what law exactly. Having a license to carry is breaking what law. I remember the Black Panthers back a while ago who were actual brandishing a weapon, that was intimidation.

 

[ll74]

The down side of this logic is this. It only works if you are completely neutral. If you are a D, then anything the D's do at the voter's booths is legit. If you are R, the same thing. I don't disagree, just don't see much enforcement of that depending on the districts you live in. It really is a shame.

Bottom line is politics has been saturated into literally every aspect of our lives including the law. Depending on which side of then fence you are on, determines which laws you push hard on and which ones you don't. That is the facts now days. Until we can get back to a point where burning down a business during a riot or intimidating supreme court justices because you don't like their decisions in court or trying to intimidate voters is treated equally across the board and criminals prosecuted equally for those crimes, don't expect anything to be fair and equal anymore.

And with that logic in place knowing the other side of the fence really isn't listening, what are your choices now? Name calling (which of course is really productive but usually the only tool remaining of the weak minded)? Joining the party of intimidaters (because of course if you can't have it fair, might as well join the team that is winning right)?

It's called breaking the law. Which is neutral.

 

[ll74]

Who said anything about enforcing the law? Monitoring activity at the legal distance is breaking what law exactly. Having a license to carry is breaking what law. I remember the Black Panthers back a while ago who were actual brandishing a weapon, that was intimidation.

Intimidation (the guns are intimidating)

Monitoring is already done via live camera feed

 

[LupusDei]

Who said anything about enforcing the law? Monitoring activity at the legal distance is breaking what law exactly. Having a license to carry is breaking what law. I remember the Black Panthers back a while ago who were actual brandishing a weapon, that was intimidation.

Tell me you wouldn't check on couple armed guys making camp across of your driveway. This is basically same situation, only of greater public interest.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Who said anything about enforcing the law? Monitoring activity at the legal distance is breaking what law exactly. Having a license to carry is breaking what law. I remember the Black Panthers back a while ago who were actual brandishing a weapon, that was intimidation.

We need more details about exactly how far away the people were, what they might have said, and any other actions they might have taken. Also more details about exactly what the AZ law says. I recall many complaints from lefties about laws restricting non-poll workers from being near polling places.

 

[icanhelp1]

Intimidation (the guns are intimidating)

Monitoring is already done via live camera feed

If it's true that these individuals accused the couple of being mules, well, they need to be told to move on or charged. That is voter intimidation, IMHO

 

[ll74]

If it's true that these individuals accused the couple of being mules, well, they need to be told to move on or charged. That is voter intimidation, IMHO

Lol...fuck off with your mule crap. It's not their job to monitor for voter fraud. They are there to intimidate voters or just be assholes. Either way, they should be arrested for it.

 

[NewOldGuy77]

You're joking, right? A voter looking to drop of their ballot wouldn't feel intimidated?

And what makes the armed individuals qualified to determine when someone is voting or breaking the law?

No citizen has a right to intimidate voters...even if they believe others are committing fraud.

And what about these people makes you believe they know any rules? That's quite an assumption.

60 innocent people killed for no reason in Las Vegas, but men with guns aren’t intimidating innocent voters? Bitch, please.

 

[phrodeau]

Oh, it was in the past, so its cool?

Then again the dems past of wanting to keep slaves, founding the KKK and a president who was against stopping segregation gets ignored too.

Schools should be teaching those things. Why wouldn’t they?

 

[icanhelp1]

Tell me you wouldn't check on couple armed guys making camp across of your driveway. This is basically same situation, only of greater public interest.

I'm not condoning that behavior and yes I would file a complaint. What makes the behavior illegal is interfering with the couple. Accusations of being mules is enough to file charges for intimidation and they should probably lose their license to cary, that behavior is over the line. They have no authority whatsoever to accost or exchange a verbal assault on any individual at any voting facility period.

 

[ll74]

I'm not condoning that behavior and yes I would file a complaint. What makes the behavior illegal is interfering with the couple. Accusations of being mules is enough to file charges for intimidation and they should probably lose their license to cary, that behavior is over the line. They have no authority whatsoever to accost or exchange a verbal assault on any individual at any voting facility period.

Intimidating a vote is illegal.

 

[jaF0]

60 innocent people killed for no reason in Las Vegas, but men with guns aren’t intimidating innocent voters? Bitch, please.

What the fuck are you yammering about?

 

[ll74]

If I was a voter in that area, I'd report them. And then I'd walk by the drop box multiple times, suspiciously, just to fuck with them.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

AZ Secretary of State guidance on preventing voter intimidation.

https://www.azdisabilitylaw.org/az-...es-guidance-on-preventing-voter-intimidation/

 

[icanhelp1]

Intimidating a vote is illegal.

Aren’t you the one who always preaches that you have to prove intent. AZ has open carry laws so that would be a common occurance, not sure how intimidating that really is. Interaction with the couple however could be interpreted as intimidation. I agree it‘s senseless behavior. I would certainly file a complaint. I’m from MA, the sight of a weapon for most is SCARY!

 

[ll74]

Aren’t you the one who always preaches that you have to prove intent. AZ has open carry laws so that would be a common occurance, not sure how intimidating that really is. Interaction with the couple however could be interpreted as intimidation. I agree it‘s senseless behavior. I would certainly file a complaint. I’m from MA, the sight of a weapon for most is SCARY!

Official monitoring of the site is done via camera.

The only reason to be dressed like that is to intimidate people. Period. You're lying if you say otherwise. Monitoring requires a camera at most and a pen and paper at least.

If you see a person breaking the election law, you report them