Voter Intimidation in Az

[BabyBoomer50s]

They're intimidating everyone on the street. They are carrying guns in the open and they are crazy nutjobs.

Crazy nut jobs are intimidating candidates too. Vandalism and threats.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I voted yesterday. I was armed, as I am most of the time. I'm not very intimidating though.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I voted yesterday. I was armed, as I am most of the time. I'm not very intimidating though.

You might be more intimidating than you think. There have been a whopping 6 complaints of potential voter intimidation. Who knows? Maybe someone felt intimidated by you.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Then they are just too delicate to live in this cruel, cruel world.

 

[ll74]

I voted yesterday. I was armed, as I am most of the time. I'm not very intimidating though.

If they allow it on the premises, absolutely go for it....just don't put on tactical gear and wave it around in front of everyone.

 

[jaF0]

If they allow it on the premises, absolutely go for it....just don't pull your tactical gear out and wave it around in front of everyone, dribbling on the floor.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Does anybody know what exactly is this “tactical gear” that has allegedly been worn in one of the six reported instances of possible voter intimidation? Was the person (or persons) wearing clothing with extra pockets? Camouflage patterns? Were they wearing sunglasses? Boots? Did they have binoculars? Is there a dress code for voting drop box sites?

 

[ll74]

Does anybody know what exactly is this “tactical gear” that has allegedly been worn in one of the six reported instances of possible voter intimidation? Was the person (or persons) wearing clothing with extra pockets? Camouflage patterns? Were they wearing sunglasses? Boots? Did they have binoculars? Is there a dress code for voting drop box sites?

It's in the source link photos. Please, get pedantic about it...it's important to get the correct terminology about the gear.

 

[phrodeau]

You might be more intimidating than you think. There have been a whopping 6 complaints of potential voter intimidation. Who knows? Maybe someone felt intimidated by you.

So it was six times worse than what the New Black Panthers did.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

So it was six times worse than what the New Black Panthers did.

We don’t actually know what anyone did in AZ do we? I saw a photo of a couple dudes by a truck. One guy is sitting on the tailgate, the other relaxing a chair. They appear to be wearing vests and something covering their faces. The AZ SOS says six incidents of potential intimidation have been reported for investigation. There couple of unverified anecdotes in the news. A law suit has been filed but I haven’t seen any details about exactly what might have happened, or evidence to support any claims. In the absence of any verified incidents of voter intimidation as defined by AZ state law, this is much ado about nothing.

 

[ll74]

We don’t actually know what anyone did in AZ do we?

Several individuals camped outside a drop box with gear and assault rifles with lawn chairs.

That's what happened and is publicly known. It is also known that they belong to a specific group who advertises volunteering for election monitoring on their website.

You can say " we don't know...." all you want. There's more information available that you dismiss.

 

[phrodeau]

I heard that they’re Muslims. Today’s their holy day, and they aren’t there.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Several individuals camped outside a drop box with gear and assault rifles with lawn chairs.

That's what happened and is publicly known. It is also known that they belong to a specific group who advertises volunteering for election monitoring on their website.

You can say " we don't know...." all you want. There's more information available that you dismiss.

How far away, what type of “gear”, and were the “assault weapons” illegal or pointed at anyone?

 

[ll74]

How far away, what type of “gear”, and were the “assault weapons” illegal or pointed at anyone?

I already commented on this.

The investigation is ongoing.

 

[phrodeau]

How far away, what type of “gear”, and were the “assault weapons” illegal or pointed at anyone?

Guns can cause damage no matter where they’re pointed. A bullet sent up in the air will always descend with the same velocity.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I already commented on this.

The investigation is ongoing.

So no verified instances of voter intimidation under AZ state law. Thanks for confirming.

 

[ll74]

So no verified instances of voter intimidation under AZ state law. Thanks for confirming.

I never stated otherwise. In fact, have mentioned multiple times that it's been reported and is under investigation.

But if you need to restate it to feel good, more power to ya

 

[JohnnySavage]

Guns can cause damage no matter where they’re pointed. A bullet sent up in the air will always descend with the same velocity.

I think you need to check your physics.

A 6.5 PRC round leaves the barrel at just over 2,000 mph. It's terminal velocity on the way down is about 670 mph

 

[ll74]

I think you need to check your physics.

A 6.5 PRC round leaves the barrel at just over 2,000 mph. It's terminal velocity on the way down is about 670 mph

Guns can cause damage no matter where they’re pointed. A bullet sent up in the air will always descend with the same velocity.

A bullet fired in the air does not descend with the same velocity. It only reaches terminal velocity minus friction.

https://www.wired.com/2009/10/more-on-mythbusters-shooting-bullets-in-the-air/

 

[phrodeau]

I think you need to check your physics.

A 6.5 PRC round leaves the barrel at just over 2,000 mph. It's terminal velocity on the way down is about 670 mph

Ok, I was wrong. Firing bullets into the air is perfectly fine and legal.

 

[jaF0]

And people are never injured or killed by falling rounds.

 

[KeithD]

Ok, I was wrong. Firing bullets into the air is perfectly fine and legal.

My guess is that JS has never spent any time in the Middle East, where the celebrating routinely is marked with firing into the air--and deaths on the ground from falling rounds.

 

[ll74]

Ok, I was wrong. Firing bullets into the air is perfectly fine and legal.

Your claim wasn't about legality, it was about velocity. So the response was about velocity and your incorrect statement regarding it.

 

[Comshaw]

Accomplishing?

They're manning the drop boxes, that's what. And they are video taping everyone that makes a drop. I think that sums it up.

As far as being armed, AZ is an 'open carry' state, always has been and for some it's an easy concealed carry state. Hell, I have an AZ concealed carry permit and I don't even live there.

There is a method to their madness and no citizen going about their everyday business should feel intimidated. Wave, smile, drop the ballot in and go on your merry way. BUT, those that may have other motives should feel intimidated. Video taped, and walking into a really bad situation should they consider confronting the drop box watchers and are in for a really bad day. Now, there are rules and I'm fairly certain that the watchers know the rules. That being the case all the voters can do is bitch................fuck'em.

So you are insisting that a citizen should NEVER worry about someone who is blatantly displaying firearms, who is surveilling them, videoing them as they go about a totally lawful and mundane task of voting? So how do you tell if those people are law-abiding "open carry" gun toter, or a wannabe Dylann Roof waiting for enough people to gather to make it worth shooting a few? No one can. All you can do is trust to luck that the guy with the AR isn't going to be using you for target practice. People are going to do that, trust to luck, or cut and run because they are afraid for their lives. That is why 99% of people, when faced with a scenario as described will be intimidated. Call them cowards, call them what you will, but the fact remains, THEY WILL BE INTIMIDATED.

Anyone who knows anything about human psychology, even a dirty fingered semi-educated mechanic like myself, understands that those who open carry do so for one reason, intimidation. It can be argued they do so for other reasons, 2nd. Amendment rights, it's allowed by law, self-protection, et al. Each of those arguments are factual ON THE FACE OF THEM, but not the true reason for anyone to open carry. The true and most times hidden reason is plain and simple, intimidation. If it were self-protection anyone with a modicum of brains knows concealed carry is better, because you NEVER allow the opposition to know your capabilities. To do so is ignorance in the extreme. Hell Sun Tzu said as much in "The Art of War" a millennium and a half ago.

But let's get back to what the "drop box watchers" they are doing. What are they going to do with the videos? The license plate numbers? The only thing they can ascertain from what they are doing is whether the person voting is dropping multiple ballots into the box. They can tell nothing else. They can't tell if the ballots were signed and dated. They can't tell if the person is banned from voting and won't be able to tell later with they information they have either. They can't tell if it's a false ballot. So why are they doing what they are doing? Like it or not, there is only one logical answer: intimidation. They may believe they are intimidating the bad guys, the nefarious voters that shouldn't be voting, but in reality they are intimidating ANYONE coming to the drop boxes to one degree or the other. To claim anything else is a blatant lie.

Lastly you insist the voters shouldn't be intimidated, but go on to admit the reason for the watchers is, "...those that may have other motives should feel intimidated." How are the watchers going to tell the voters motives? They can't. So which is it? Are they there to intimidate or not? You can't have it both ways, or more accurately, you shouldn't try to have it both ways. It doesn't fly.

Comshaw

 

[ll74]

Some investigation into these fuckheads
Hope it makes it into the lawsuits

https://twitter.com/x/status/1585998711754477569