Voter Intimidation in Az

[Veroe]

If they're just videotaping people why do they need to be carrying guns at all? Do they expect to have a shoot out OK corral style at any moment there?

 

[ll74]

If they're just videotaping people why do they need to be carrying guns at all? Do they expect to have a shoot out OK corral style at any moment there?

There is no reason. There have been multiple complaints filed to the SoS.

 

[Veroe]

There is no reason. There have been multiple complaints filed to the SoS.

It just seems like such a needless thing to do to me. All they needed was the people there with cameras. Bringing along the guns turns the debate into ine not over election security like they want but into one of voter intimidation.

 

[ll74]

It just seems like such a needless thing to do to me. All they needed was the people there with cameras. Bringing along the guns turns the debate into ine not over election security like they want but into one of voter intimidation.

I fully agree. I have no issue with people being there to monitor, but all they would need is a way to record the activity so they can include that information in their report to the SoS as warranted. That way the investigator can corroborate the event with their own monitoring tools (cameras onsite, collection logs...etc)

I may be a little behind on my weapon tech, but I'm not aware of assault rifle tech that includes monitoring devices.

 

[jaF0]

A lot of differences here, but some similarities also.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...on-provides-encouraging-blueprint-2022-10-25/



Judge Elaine Lujan granted Bernalillo County District Attorney Raúl Torrez’s request for an injunction on Oct. 17, banning a now-defunct militia and its potential successors from publicly acting like a military unit or assuming law enforcement functions.

Lujan granted the motion by default judgment, largely because of the New Mexico Civil Guard’s non-participation in the case —

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Importantly, the New Mexico case marks the first time in several decades that a local DA has used their office’s enforcement power to seek a constitutional injunction against a paramilitary organization (The State of Texas successfully intervened in a 1982 case against the Klan and other white supremacist groups terrorizing Vietnamese fishermen in order to eliminate or reduce competition for white Americans.)

Moreover, it’s a replicable victory: All 50 states have constitutional or statutory provisions that apply to the kind of increasingly common militia activity that has stoked deadly violence around the country and fueled a persistent democratic crisis, according to research by ICAP.

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[icanhelp1]

I fully agree. I have no issue with people being there to monitor, but all they would need is a way to record the activity so they can include that information in their report to the SoS as warranted. That way the investigator can corroborate the event with their own monitoring tools (cameras onsite, collection logs...etc)

I may be a little behind on my weapon tech, but I'm not aware of assault rifle tech that includes monitoring devices.

If this is such a problem why aren’t there charges pending?

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Yes. Voters who encounter the situation should be a bad ass like you. Report them and fuck with them.

You have a really fucked perspective, boomerror. The ones playing badass are the unemployed Trumplitards dressed in Big 5 fatigues and pew-pews acting a fool.

 

[ll74]

If this is such a problem why aren’t there charges pending?

They have been reported and there is an ongoing investigation.

It's a big problem to me. I don't care if they are charged. I have already called my state reps about any additional legislation in my state if needed.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You have a really fucked perspective, boomerror. The ones playing badass are the unemployed Trumplitards dressed in Big 5 fatigues and pew-pews acting a fool.

Badasses on Lit boasting of their willingness to intimidate the AZ badass intimidators if only the badass intimidators dared to intimidate them. Badasses everywhere.

 

[ll74]

Badasses on Lit boasting of their willingness to intimidate the AZ badass intimidators if only the badass intimidators dared to intimidate them. Badasses everywhere.

You are really trying hard to sell that angle.

Have you discussed the actual assholes with the guns in AZ yet? Nope. Because you know they're intimidating voters.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Badasses on Lit boasting of their willingness to intimidate the AZ badass intimidators if only the badass intimidators dared to intimidate them. Badasses everywhere.

You really struggle with comprehension and logic.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

AtYou are really trying hard to sell that angle.

Have you discussed the actual assholes with the guns in AZ yet? Nope. Because you know they're intimidating voters.

I ridiculed them and am happy to punctuate my remark by calling them assholes. I’m confident that these were isolated incidents that will be dealt with appropriately by local law enforcement and will not prevent anyone in AZ from voting.

 

[ll74]

I ridiculed them and am happy to punctuate my remark by calling them assholes. I’m confident that these were isolated incidents that will be dealt with appropriately by local law enforcement and will not prevent anyone in AZ from voting.

So you agree they intimidated voters.

Thanks for confirming.

How do you know they didn't already prevent someone from voting?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

So you agree they intimidated voters.

Thanks for confirming.

How do you know they didn't already prevent someone from voting?

Obviously some people felt intimidated. That’s why it was reported, why cops came, and why the assholes left. If anyone felt too intimidated to drop their ballot in the drop box, there are plenty of other options to return ballots. Your hyper-reaction is silly. Anyone eligible voter in AZ who wants to vote can and will.

 

[ll74]

Obviously some people felt intimidated. That’s why it was reported, why cops came, and why the assholes left. If anyone felt too intimidated to drop their ballot in the drop box, there are plenty of other options to return ballots. Your hyper-reaction is silly. Anyone eligible voter in AZ who wants to vote can and will.

They could return or their vote may now never be counted.

This isn't going to be isolated for this midterm. This is an organization that spans the US. They organized be a use of a film which was absolutely based on a false premise.

I just hope that the elections officials handle that appropriately and that the federal government ensures groups like this are kept in check so that voters can freely cast their votes

 

[jaF0]

Judge considers stopping Phoenix ballot drop box watchers​

By ANITA SNOWtoday
https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...city-phoenix-fb2254ac13ca7f9153c3a802737ea6a1
PHOENIX (AP) — A federal judge in Arizona said he hopes to decide by Friday whether to order members of a group to stop monitoring outdoor ballot drop boxes in the Phoenix area in an effort that has sparked allegations of voter intimidation.

 

[ll74]

Judge considers stopping Phoenix ballot drop box watchers​

By ANITA SNOWtoday
https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...city-phoenix-fb2254ac13ca7f9153c3a802737ea6a1
PHOENIX (AP) — A federal judge in Arizona said he hopes to decide by Friday whether to order members of a group to stop monitoring outdoor ballot drop boxes in the Phoenix area in an effort that has sparked allegations of voter intimidation.

I don't see an issue with them being there to monitor, but being actively armed should not be permitted.

 

[phrodeau]

I don't see an issue with them being there to monitor, but being actively armed should not be permitted.

These are only drop boxes, not voting sites. They aren’t only intimidating voters, they’re intimidating everyone delivering a ballot.

 

[ll74]

These are only drop boxes, not voting sites.

A drop box is a voting site, imo

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Monitoring is fine. Verbally or physically harassing people or brandishing weapons at them is not. It does not appear to be a widespread issue.

“As of Monday, Secretary of State Katie Hobbs had referred a total of six potential voter intimidation complaints near ballot drop boxes to law enforcement.”

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/26/1131474648/arizona-ballot-drop-boxes-mules-voter-intimidation

 

[ll74]

Monitoring is fine. Verbally or physically harassing people or brandishing weapons at them is not. It does not appear to be a widespread issue.

“As of Monday, Secretary of State Katie Hobbs had referred a total of six potential voter intimidation complaints near ballot drop boxes to law enforcement.”

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/26/1131474648/arizona-ballot-drop-boxes-mules-voter-intimidation

That would depend on what your threshold is I guess. 6 cases in less than two weeks seems fairly widespread to me.

The question to me is whether other cases like this are occurring by other members of the same group. A second question would be how many potential votes were impacted by those six cases.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

That would depend on what your threshold is I guess. 6 cases in less than two weeks seems fairly widespread to me.

The question to me is whether other cases like this are occurring by other members of the same group. A second question would be how many potential votes were impacted by those six cases.

6 potential cases.

 

[ll74]

6 potential cases.

There are 6 cases being investigated. That's what I meant. And that is high to me.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[ll74]

This is exactly what I was looking for.

Lawsuit filed to stop vigilante surveillance of drop boxes in Arizona

The voting rights organization alleges that the Lions of Liberty LLC and the Yavapai County Preparedness Team -- two groups that the League claims are related to the Oath Keepers of Yavapai County -- along with a group known as Clean Elections USA, have been "actively planning, coordinating, and recruiting for widespread campaigns to surveil and intimidate Arizona voters at ballot drop boxes and baselessly accuse them—either directly or indirectly—of committing voter fraud, and spread false information about legally valid forms of voting."

 

[KeithD]

These are only drop boxes, not voting sites. They aren’t only intimidating voters, they’re intimidating everyone delivering a ballot.

They're intimidating everyone on the street. They are carrying guns in the open and they are crazy nutjobs.