Are women really as cold-blooded IRL as represented in Loving Wives?

[Lifestyle66]

I don't think that the Bond franchise will survive with a Jane Bond at the center of the stories for the reasons you suggest here. However, historically (what history of spies you can find), the most successful spies have been women. Washington had women spies (Not the seat of government, the general, and later president) who kept him well informed of the British movements and plans and plots. The most successful of these women, was a female known only as Agent 355. A friend of my fathers wrote a story about a modern-day female spy organization; his agent's identification was 355.

Women use sex as a weapon, and despite the misogynistic portal of Bond, James Bond, most of the world's best-kept secrets are kept by men with egos the size of the Grand Canyon. His sexual prowess would only help him if he was gay and they were gay. The bond of the books used women to get close to the bad guy. Most real spy work isn't about killing the bad guy but extracting information. As long as a straight man can be tricked into thinking with his little head and not his big one, women will be able to worm their way into a position to get the information.

All hail the power of feminine wiles!

I agree with all of your descriptions of real spies and spy work.

But as the Bond series is described as spy novels, James Bond as 007 is more of a hitman or assassin. He was chosen for the "double-0" work for first having killed someone while working as an embassy intelligence officer.

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't think that the Bond franchise will survive with a Jane Bond at the center of the stories for the reasons you suggest here. However, historically (what history of spies you can find), the most successful spies have been women. Washington had women spies (Not the seat of government, the general, and later president) who kept him well informed of the British movements and plans and plots. The most successful of these women, was a female known only as Agent 355. A friend of my fathers wrote a story about a modern-day female spy organization; his agent's identification was 355.

Women use sex as a weapon, and despite the misogynistic portal of Bond, James Bond, most of the world's best-kept secrets are kept by men with egos the size of the Grand Canyon. His sexual prowess would only help him if he was gay and they were gay. The bond of the books used women to get close to the bad guy. Most real spy work isn't about killing the bad guy but extracting information. As long as a straight man can be tricked into thinking with his little head and not his big one, women will be able to worm their way into a position to get the information.

All hail the power of feminine wiles!

Jane Bond will never work because they'll shove the woke narrative down people's throats and not just introduce her as the new Bond.

But the other reason is, like you said, the guy is the portrait of 'real men' in a 1950's misogynistic kind of way so the base is going to be like WTF? I know there are women who like Bond movies, but they're not the target.

I agree with women spies. Even though its fictional the Black Widow program from the Marvel comics is a legit thing in theory and probably exists in some manner.

Men are egotistical and think with their dicks, these guys have all these secrets, but think the hot girl is coming onto him cause he's all that.

I am working through my first non horror novel, its an action thing of sorts, but of course will have some smut. Main character is a female black ops agent, half spy but also a trained killer. In the opening she is posing a a high end escort there to see her target she needs the location of hostages from.

But one of his body guards is suspicious and forces her to prove she's just a whore and she gets down and blows him, swallows while he's degrading her and she does it as coolly and emotionlessly as she'd make a cup of coffee. My wife wasn't thrilled with the scene and told her this is the gritty reality you don't see with most Hollywood femme nikita style characters these days.

I'll add that after he zips up the guard hands her a mint and makes a joke about the taste in her mouth. After she gets what she needs from the target, she confronts the body guards during her escape, slams the barrel of her glock into the guy's mouth splitting his lips and breaking his teeth, whispers here's something for the taste and blows his head off.

That's how I roll. Heh...

 

[MillieDynamite]

Jane Bond will never work because they'll shove the woke narrative down people's throats and not just introduce her as the new Bond.

But the other reason is, like you said, the guy is the portrait of 'real men' in a 1950's misogynistic kind of way so the base is going to be like WTF? I know there are women who like Bond movies, but they're not the target.

I agree with women spies. Even though its fictional the Black Widow program from the Marvel comics is a legit thing in theory and probably exists in some manner.

Men are egotistical and think with their dicks, these guys have all these secrets, but think the hot girl is coming onto him cause he's all that.

I am working through my first non horror novel, its an action thing of sorts, but of course will have some smut. Main character is a female black ops agent, half spy but also a trained killer. In the opening she is posing a a high end escort there to see her target she needs the location of hostages from.

But one of his body guards is suspicious and forces her to prove she's just a whore and she gets down and blows him, swallows while he's degrading her and she does it as coolly and emotionlessly as she'd make a cup of coffee. My wife wasn't thrilled with the scene and told her this is the gritty reality you don't see with most Hollywood femme nikita style characters these days.

I'll add that after he zips up the guard hands her a mint and makes a joke about the taste in her mouth. After she gets what she needs from the target, she confronts the body guards during her escape, slams the barrel of her glock into the guy's mouth splitting his lips and breaking his teeth, whispers here's something for the taste and blows his head off.

That's how I roll. Heh...

My kind of girl!

 

[waltdee]

I... I'm lost... I asked if there is a possibility that there have been some wives who blindside their husbands that they are beginning their infidelity and state matter-of-factly that the husband needs to come to grips with that. Yes, I know men cheat more than women, and yes, I know incels and cuck-wanna-bes lap stories like that up, but I still wonder if their are any wives that would so damage their marriage as to do that.

But now we're talking about Jane Bond and misogyny and all sorts of things. I regret now even asking the question because I have pretty much not seen a definitive answer yet. I know this is fiction, and I know it's written for maximum effect, but does it have even a shred of basis in fact?

 

[Lifestyle66]

I... I'm lost... I asked if there is a possibility that there have been some wives who blindside their husbands that they are beginning their infidelity and state matter-of-factly that the husband needs to come to grips with that. Yes, I know men cheat more than women, and yes, I know incels and cuck-wanna-bes lap stories like that up, but I still wonder if their are any wives that would so damage their marriage as to do that.

But now we're talking about Jane Bond and misogyny and all sorts of things. I regret now even asking the question because I have pretty much not seen a definitive answer yet. I know this is fiction, and I know it's written for maximum effect, but does it have even a shred of basis in fact?

Some of us have tried to answer your question, with our examples of unreasonable behavior of ex-wives or possibly a husband enjoying emotional BDSM without the whips.

With 7.5 billion people in the world, it takes all kinds, and in our very small portions of the world we experience, we tend to meet those most like us. But, YES, there are all kinds out there. You just haven't met them.

 

[lovecraft68]

I... I'm lost... I asked if there is a possibility that there have been some wives who blindside their husbands that they are beginning their infidelity and state matter-of-factly that the husband needs to come to grips with that. Yes, I know men cheat more than women, and yes, I know incels and cuck-wanna-bes lap stories like that up, but I still wonder if their are any wives that would so damage their marriage as to do that.

But now we're talking about Jane Bond and misogyny and all sorts of things. I regret now even asking the question because I have pretty much not seen a definitive answer yet. I know this is fiction, and I know it's written for maximum effect, but does it have even a shred of basis in fact?

I don't know why you need an answer. In real life women do cheat and men cheat. Its no secret. We have a site called Ashley Madison where married people go to hook up, says it all.

But this is a story site with a category that revolves around women who have extra marital sex, but in many stories with the husband knowing, then we have cheating stories where the wife is shown as a bitch. So naturally the discussion is going to slide that way because this is where we are.

Also, not that you would know, but this category gets discussed more and more and more because its polarizing to use a polite term. I think early on TX Rad mentions people are tired of the same revolving door

And let's face it, this is the interwebz, threads change directions and go off topic all the time.

In closing, the author you were questioning is either a smoke blower or if not, he's using his friends misfortune as stroke fodder on a porn site to get views and votes. Classy, no?

 

[waltdee]

I don't know why you need an answer. In real life women do cheat and men cheat. Its no secret. We have a site called Ashley Madison where married people go to hook up, says it all.

But this is a story site with a category that revolves around women who have extra marital sex, but in many stories with the husband knowing, then we have cheating stories where the wife is shown as a bitch. So naturally the discussion is going to slide that way because this is where we are.

Also, not that you would know, but this category gets discussed more and more and more because its polarizing to use a polite term. I think early on TX Rad mentions people are tired of the same revolving door

And let's face it, this is the interwebz, threads change directions and go off topic all the time.

In closing, the author you were questioning is either a smoke blower or if not, he's using his friends misfortune as stroke fodder on a porn site to get views and votes. Classy, no?

Okay, fair enough. It sounds like I'm asking for an explanation of something that's too large and too polarizing to have a definitive answer. If I could close the thread, I would.

 

[MrPixel]

... If I could close the thread, I would.

Ah. That's the peril of posting in a public forum like this. Once you create a thread, it is no longer yours, it belongs to the community. I've been in online forums since before the Internet. I am hard pressed to recall any that allowed the thread to be terminated by an OP unless he or she was a moderator with such magical powers.

 

[lovecraft68]

Okay, fair enough. It sounds like I'm asking for an explanation of something that's too large and too polarizing to have a definitive answer. If I could close the thread, I would.

If your question was as simple as are there women who cheat behind their husband's backs, yes, there are unfortunately. The back side of that is so do men, but it seems a different game when they do it, and they're judged far less harshly. Not to be a twit, but I wonder if you're put off because you wanted a "women are awful" parade and its not happening.

Trust me, there are awful people in every demographic and its no better or worse depending on who does it, at least in theory, but we know some groups are judged differently than others depending on the topic. This is one of them and pardon the forum for doing some gate keeping against the incel community. But we do have a couple here anyway, and no, not suggesting that's you. I'm tweaking the guilty parties.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I... I'm lost... I asked if there is a possibility that there have been some wives who blindside their husbands that they are beginning their infidelity and state matter-of-factly that the husband needs to come to grips with that. Yes, I know men cheat more than women, and yes, I know incels and cuck-wanna-bes lap stories like that up, but I still wonder if their are any wives that would so damage their marriage as to do that.

But now we're talking about Jane Bond and misogyny and all sorts of things. I regret now even asking the question because I have pretty much not seen a definitive answer yet. I know this is fiction, and I know it's written for maximum effect, but does it have even a shred of basis in fact?

I said this ... about that,

I can see a woman flaunting her dating to her husband when they are separated. I can see her dilly-dallying behind his back. I can see him knowing by mutual agreement (open marriage or willing cuckold). I can't imagine a woman announcing her intention to play around as described. Sounds more like the incel angry fantasy.

which is my answer to your question. But, as stated by others, it's fiction. Write how you want to write. You got to write, like nobody's watchin'. It's gotta come from your heart! You got to write, like you don't need the money!

 

[SimonDoom]

Okay, fair enough. It sounds like I'm asking for an explanation of something that's too large and too polarizing to have a definitive answer. If I could close the thread, I would.

I don't see why you would want to delete the thread. You got many responses to it, and it provoked some interesting discussion even if much of it wasn't what you were inquiring about. That's typical of most threads.

It might be the way you phrased your initial question. You asked, "I asked if there is a possibility that there have been some wives who blindside their husbands that they are beginning their infidelity and state matter-of-factly that the husband needs to come to grips with that."

The obviously correct answer to that question is "yes." Yes, there is a possibility that such women exist. Yes, it's probable that some women have acted this way. It's probably somewhat unusual, but "unusual" at Literotica is a creative opportunity, not a limit.

A better way to phrase the question might be to ask people how realistic they think the depictions of these women characters are. "Is" questions lead to "yes" and "no" answers, while "how" questions lead to open-ended discussions.

Are these characters typically written in a realistic way in the Loving Wives category? No, in my opinion. They tend to be exaggerated, either to give cuck fans a greater sense of erotic appeal in being dominated and humiliated by the wife, or to give the fan of the "revenge on the wife" story a greater villain against whom revenge is warranted.

 

[waltdee]

I said this ... about that,



which is my answer to your question. But, as stated by others, it's fiction. Write how you want to write. You got to write, like nobody's watchin'. It's gotta come from your heart! You got to write, like you don't need the money!

Millie answered my question. I wondered about the trope where the husband is blindsided by his wife that she's on her way to a date with another man, and she used to be a PI, so I'm taking her as the authority when she says, "No, it's fiction."

 

[waltdee]

I don't see why you would want to delete the thread. You got many responses to it, and it provoked some interesting discussion even if much of it wasn't what you were inquiring about. That's typical of most threads.

It might be the way you phrased your initial question. You asked, "I asked if there is a possibility that there have been some wives who blindside their husbands that they are beginning their infidelity and state matter-of-factly that the husband needs to come to grips with that."

The obviously correct answer to that question is "yes." Yes, there is a possibility that such women exist. Yes, it's probable that some women have acted this way. It's probably somewhat unusual, but "unusual" at Literotica is a creative opportunity, not a limit.

A better way to phrase the question might be to ask people how realistic they think the depictions of these women characters are. "Is" questions lead to "yes" and "no" answers, while "how" questions lead to open-ended discussions.

Are these characters typically written in a realistic way in the Loving Wives category? No, in my opinion. They tend to be exaggerated, either to give cuck fans a greater sense of erotic appeal in being dominated and humiliated by the wife, or to give the fan of the "revenge on the wife" story a greater villain against whom revenge is warranted.

I can see how you'd be right.

 

[waltdee]

Would anyone know of any manga or doujinshi of this trope?

 

[Lovecraft_Lore]

I don't think that the Bond franchise will survive with a Jane Bond at the center of the stories for the reasons you suggest here. However, historically (what history of spies you can find), the most successful spies have been women

Hollywood could just take the real life of someone like Christine Granville and turn that into a true life movie. Nothing they could do would make it better.

 

[Emotional]

This is a tale of human kind.

Yeah, there are many like them, and they are the worst of the worst.

But IMHO they are few and far between.

Just like there are some wife beating abusive men out there. Yeah they are out there, but thankfully few and far between as well.

 

[lc69hunter]

You say cold blooded. The fact is that women have a higher cheating rate than men. They have higher libidos, and like more variety. Most love their husbands and their marriage, but as with all couples, sex becomes routine, not bad, but just the same things over and over. It is boring to her. If it is a good marriage, and she is getting some random variety and strange, you are probably benefitting greatly from it, even if you do not know. And she can't tell you that, because your pecker would shrivel up, and your ego would be crushed, thinking that you can't satisfy her. And if you catch her, she gets all the blame. Wake up guys, she is hornier than you.

 

[lovecraft68]

You say cold blooded. The fact is that women have a higher cheating rate than men. They have higher libidos, and like more variety. Most love their husbands and their marriage, but as with all couples, sex becomes routine, not bad, but just the same things over and over. It is boring to her. If it is a good marriage, and she is getting some random variety and strange, you are probably benefitting greatly from it, even if you do not know. And she can't tell you that, because your pecker would shrivel up, and your ego would be crushed, thinking that you can't satisfy her. And if you catch her, she gets all the blame. Wake up guys, she is hornier than you.

That's some top notch mansplaining you have there.
Let me correct you on something, its not that women have a higher cheating rate, its that they get called out for cheating while for men its as it should be.

And I call BS on women can't be satisfied within a marriage. Maybe you can't keep a woman happy but some of us can. Stop projecting you inadequacies onto others

 

[Bubo_bubo]

With all caveats about studies that rely on self-reporting, just leaving this here:
https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

 

[SandyWhitlock]

You don't think men are capable of the same thing? People are people and vary in character.. One gender is not going to be the only gender to display a specific personality trait.

 

[lovecraft68]

With all caveats about studies that rely on self-reporting, just leaving this here:
https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

Looks like men are the higher number, but real life tells the tale.

Ashely Madison is a site for affairs. In theory men and women go there to cheat. But...all the men are there for that, a very high percentage of women on there are escorts or just cam girls/only fan types looking to see if they can sell some content.

End of the day the real issue men have with women cheating(and I don't condone anyone cheating its as low as you can get) is it was always okay for men to do it since the dawn of time, now some women have the audacity to think they can act like men. Don't you know men are supposed to fuck anyone they want their entire lives, but their wife is supposed to be a virgin?

Rename this thread to whiny disgusting sorry excuses for men get together in a circle jerk to bash women because they're such a pathetic loser they don't have one.

Way to high of a percentage of 'men' are trash, period. Stupid, ignorant abusive and disgusting...but only to anyone female, half their size, and can't hit back. Then they whine and play victim. This is evidenced in LW and other parts of the readership and in these threads as well.

Funny how they don't run their mouths anywhere near as much in person, but cowardice is par for the course.

 

[lovecraft68]

You don't think

Just snip your post to this when you're addressing that type because its all you need to say.

 

[Lifestyle66]

You say cold blooded. The fact is that women have a higher cheating rate than men. They have higher libidos, and like more variety. Most love their husbands and their marriage, but as with all couples, sex becomes routine, not bad, but just the same things over and over. It is boring to her. If it is a good marriage, and she is getting some random variety and strange, you are probably benefitting greatly from it, even if you do not know. And she can't tell you that, because your pecker would shrivel up, and your ego would be crushed, thinking that you can't satisfy her. And if you catch her, she gets all the blame. Wake up guys, she is hornier than you.

Looks like men are the higher number, but real life tells the tale.

Ashely Madison is a site for affairs. In theory men and women go there to cheat. But...all the men are there for that, a very high percentage of women on there are escorts or just cam girls/only fan types looking to see if they can sell some content.

End of the day the real issue men have with women cheating(and I don't condone anyone cheating its as low as you can get) is it was always okay for men to do it since the dawn of time, now some women have the audacity to think they can act like men. Don't you know men are supposed to fuck anyone they want their entire lives, but their wife is supposed to be a virgin?

Rename this thread to whiny disgusting sorry excuses for men get together in a circle jerk to bash women because they're such a pathetic loser they don't have one.

Way to high of a percentage of 'men' are trash, period. Stupid, ignorant abusive and disgusting...but only to anyone female, half their size, and can't hit back. Then they whine and play victim. This is evidenced in LW and other parts of the readership and in these threads as well.

Funny how they don't run their mouths anywhere near as much in person, but cowardice is par for the course.

The funny thing about pointing to those Ashley Madison numbers is those 2 million men were on that site paying for and TRYING to cheat ... with about 1,700 mostly fake women accounts! So, how many of them really cheated?

I'm not saying Ic69hunter is correct. But one thing in his favor are the new genetics tests for ancestry coming out showing some grown-ups now finding out their dad wasn't really their genetic father.

I know my ex-wife had the attitude "My body, my rules!" and she won't see anything wrong with whatever SHE decided to insert into her body. In other words, she wouldn't have had any qualms about fucking another guy if it suited her interests, and she wouldn't have considered it cheating (that's how her mind worked.) BUT my (her husband's) body was hers to control, too! Interesting double standard there. (That's why she's my Ex! I got better!)

 

[SimonDoom]

These are such silly discussions. Do men cheat more or do women cheat more? Who cares? For purposes of writing erotic stories, who gives a crap what the norms or statistical means are? Within the populations of men and of women, there's nearly infinite variety. It's the variety, not the norm, that makes things interesting and erotic.

 

[MelissaBaby]

You say cold blooded. The fact is that women have a higher cheating rate than men. They have higher libidos, and like more variety. Most love their husbands and their marriage, but as with all couples, sex becomes routine, not bad, but just the same things over and over. It is boring to her. If it is a good marriage, and she is getting some random variety and strange, you are probably benefitting greatly from it, even if you do not know. And she can't tell you that, because your pecker would shrivel up, and your ego would be crushed, thinking that you can't satisfy her. And if you catch her, she gets all the blame. Wake up guys, she is hornier than you.

You watch too much porn, bub.