Let's talk about guns, shootings, solutions and idiotic suggestions

[IrezumiKiss]

The car seems to be one of the preferred weapons of the #BLM crowd

https://www.toledoblade.com/image/2017/08/13/600x_q90_a4-3_cTCjpg/Confederate-Monuments-Protest-9.jpg

that nefarious #BLM crowd, yeah.

 

[AlexBailey]

You are the problem. Keep voting primate dude, the price of gas in LA is 8 bucks and 9 bucks for diesel. Video games adn violent movies are a bigger problem than guns not to mention dope. Demz have legalized everything deterimental to a civil society and they are not happy with the results

“Dems have legalized…”

What sort of a police state do you desire that you think having things “legalized” is taking action? You small minded fuck-wit. We live in a permissive legal society. Unless something has been specifically banned or regulated people are supposed to have their freedom of choice - you know, “freedom?”

That’s what gun nuts are claiming. The means of mass murder are available to nearly everyone and you blame other freedoms for the killings. You want everything restricted except for firearms?

 

[pecksniff]

Video games adn violent movies are a bigger problem than guns not to mention dope.

You are an idiot.

 

[jaF0]

Demz have legalized everything deterimental to a civil society...

Such as?

 

[HisArpy]

Jesus Christ.

All these memes about freedom and rights, as if guns were just like toothbrushes or porn tapes.
Not clear to me if the memes are moronic or disngenuous & manipulative.

You have the ability to say all of that because no one can tell you that you can't. Because people with guns stand behind you being able to do it.

Telling those people that you have a right to say that their guns are evil is where the moronic and disingenuous / manipulative part begins.

 

[HisArpy]

I looked at Italy's eligibility/monitoring rules 1 by 1 and they all seem appropriate.

I'm curious. Which ones are absent// or have been struck off from US protocols?

What is "appropriate" to you violates the concepts of Ordered Liberty found in the US Constitution.

I have no problem with you getting to choose what's best for you. I do have a problem with you thinking you get to choose what's best for the rest of us.

 

[HisArpy]

“Dems have legalized…”

What sort of a police state do you desire that you think having things “legalized” is taking action? You small minded fuck-wit. We live in a permissive legal society. Unless something has been specifically banned or regulated people are supposed to have their freedom of choice - you know, “freedom?”

That’s what gun nuts are claiming. The means of mass murder are available to nearly everyone and you blame other freedoms for the killings. You want everything restricted except for firearms?

Everything restricted?

You mean like pot, meth and heroin?

 

[HisArpy]

Such as?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/31/british-columbia-decriminalize-cocaine-opioids-meth/

 

[butters]

Tulsa shooter, a patient who blamed his doctor for pain following surgery

Lewis was released from the hospital in May after undergoing back surgery and repeatedly complained about pain in the days afterward.

The shooter "blamed" his doctor, Preston Phillips, for his pain, Franklin told reporters and went to the hospital to kill the doctor and anyone else who got in his way.

Phillips was one of the victims found dead.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...pc=U531&cvid=494983c8a8e44846ef1d03b12893cefe

 

[Comshaw]

Yada yada yada. "Oh, it ain't my fault! It's their fault!" To quote a line from a movie, "We have serious problems and we need serious people to solve them."

Below is an article that says primarily what I believe is the problem. Everyone is trying to blame it on one thing. NO ONE is looking at it holistically. The Democrats point to guns as the only problem. The Republicans deny it is any of the problem. Both sides refuse to see the contributing factors that feed the problem.

I agree with most of it. The "arm teachers" part I don't. It's stupid to expect a teacher, who's prime duty is to teach, to do what law enforcement spend months some time's years training to do, and in some instance still can't or won't do it.

Democrats have bad solutions to gun violence. Republicans have none. Let's build common ground.

I'm done.

Comshaw

 

[butters]

Everyone is trying to blame it on one thing. NO ONE is looking at it holistically. The Democrats point to guns as the only problem. The Republicans deny it is any of the problem. Both sides refuse to see the contributing factors that feed the problem.

i have to respectfully disagree with this, Comshaw:

republicans are blaming everything BUT the gun... from music to video games to porn to abortion to women to democrats to mental health to everything including the kitchen sink. everything EXCEPT the availability of access to killing weapons.

democrats see the gun access as primary, but also see the mental health issues and contributing factors such as the perpetrators' sense of entitlement, the anger and despair of people still coming out of a pandemic amidst a political shitshow where the presidential election's still contested in places and the 'settled law' of abortion rights is poised to be upended by SCOTUS.

as i see it: if you restrict access to the weapon, that prevents (largely) the lethal outcome of the rest which clearly needs addressing too. The swiftest way to curb the mass killings is to ban 'assault-style' weaponry. Other countries have and implemented mandatory buy-back programmes that have removed tens of thousands of such weapons from the arena.

 

[ll74]

i have to respectfully disagree with this, Comshaw:

republicans are blaming everything BUT the gun... from music to video games to porn to abortion to women to democrats to mental health to everything including the kitchen sink. everything EXCEPT the availability of access to killing weapons.

democrats see the gun access as primary, but also see the mental health issues and contributing factors such as the perpetrators' sense of entitlement, the anger and despair of people still coming out of a pandemic amidst a political shitshow where the presidential election's still contested in places and the 'settled law' of abortion rights is poised to be upended by SCOTUS.

as i see it: if you restrict access to the weapon, that prevents (largely) the lethal outcome of the rest which clearly needs addressing too. The swiftest way to curb the mass killings is to ban 'assault-style' weaponry. Other countries have and implemented mandatory buy-back programmes that have removed tens of thousands of such weapons from the arena.

Exactly this. Looking at the issue holistically absolutely requires access to weapons as part of the problem. When a guy is shooting up a hospital on the way home from the gun store, there is a problem to be addressed.

 

[AlexBailey]

Everything restricted? You mean like pot, meth and heroin?

Did you even read the context of the conversation? Yeah pot is among the things he mentioned but there is way more involved.

But while you're on about making sure people with drug problems are criminals, you should also understand basic economics of supply and demand as applied to a black market. Marijuana used to be worth more than gold by weight and was a major funding source for an entire counter culture that you probably categorically hate. Now that weed is mostly legal in many places it is no longer as glamorous a scene and is no longer an economy that entices kids to forego college or other careers.

I don't know where you live but I raised kids when some of their high school peers were making six figures growing weed while skipping school. The legalization of pot has taken that away.

When street junkies have free access to good drugs, the black market dries up, needles don't end up in playgrounds, addicts don't use their families food money for a fix, and the addicted regularly check in at clinics. When law enforcement bears down on them they hide, street values go up, break-ins are more common. Addicts get criminal records, making them harder to employ and house.

Fuck addicts, right? They aren't perfect people like you. Let them poison themselves and die in the street. Is that what religion teaches good guys like you?

 

[butters]

Nadler's not wrong:

“Nobody seriously believes that Hollywood or video games are to blame for the epidemic of gun violence in America. Our children watch the same movies and play the same games as children in Canada and England and Japan. But only in the United States do we ask the parents of elementary school children to stand in line so we can match their DNA to the remains of their children, because only the United States is awash in 400 million guns,” he added.

The Judiciary Committee chairman pointed out that other countries also struggled with their mental health systems, but “those countries do not experience the gun violence that we do.”
“You say that these deaths were caused by a lack of mental health care. I agree that we need to do more for those in our communities who may be in crisis, and I hope that you will join me the next time we are asked to fund such initiatives. I expect that many of my Republican colleagues will not,” Nadler said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=f043a044a30944c9a1e0ebc4e92aa153

“It has been 23 years since Columbine. Fifteen years since Virginia Tech. Ten years since Sandy Hook. Seven years since Charleston. Four years since Parkland and Santa Fe and [the] Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. It has been three years since El Paso. It has been a week since we learned, again, that gun violence can reach any of our children and grandchildren at any time, and that no number of armed guards can guarantee their safety. It has not even been 24 hours since the last mass shooting, and who knows how long until the next one. Too soon, my friends? What the hell are you waiting for?” he asked.

The package lawmakers marked-up on Thursday includes measures to raise the age to buy semi-automatic rifles to 21, prohibit gun trafficking, require that all guns are traceable, mandate that gun owners store their firearms safely, close the bump-stock loophole and place restrictions on high-capacity magazines.

it will be voted on next week IF they can get the votes to make it to the floor

 

[AlexBailey]

Yada yada yada. "Oh, it ain't my fault! It's their fault!" To quote a line from a movie, "We have serious problems and we need serious people to solve them."

Below is an article that says primarily what I believe is the problem. Everyone is trying to blame it on one thing. NO ONE is looking at it holistically. The Democrats point to guns as the only problem. The Republicans deny it is any of the problem. Both sides refuse to see the contributing factors that feed the problem.

I agree with most of it. The "arm teachers" part I don't. It's stupid to expect a teacher, who's prime duty is to teach, to do what law enforcement spend months some time's years training to do, and in some instance still can't or won't do it.

Democrats have bad solutions to gun violence. Republicans have none. Let's build common ground.

I'm done.

Comshaw

Another part of this is the teachers themselves. Who is drawn to teaching as a career? Sure there are some ex-military and law enforcement types, but many teachers are nurturers, not defense-minded security guards.

Think about all of the school teachers you grew up with. How many of them could you count on to effectively wield a gun? I had a few PE teachers and a couple for auto-shop or history who could have done it, but most of the others would be far more likely to be overpowered and have their gun taken by the attacker before pulling the trigger on a student.

Teachers don't get enough support and training for curriculum, now they have to be guards as well? What would the main priorities be for hiring new staff?

The School Marshal Program is a good idea, train them. Let them have special trainings for teachers who are interested in being part of a fast response team, but don't try to arm Mrs. Dubois, the French teacher.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://i.imgur.com/ZEUxbFT.png

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When I said there's always money for everything except towards things that improve people's lives and living, this is that energy.

certain people have been telling everyone what's actually needed for a long, long, long time.

we're getting the society we deserve. The summer's just starting, folks.

 

[RobDownSouth]

https://i.imgur.com/A5IXbGr.png

 

[jaF0]

Did dumpy post a link up there about Canada when asked about American restrictions?

Fucker doesn't even understand .... oh never mind .....

 

[icanhelp1]

Did you even read the context of the conversation? Yeah pot is among the things he mentioned but there is way more involved.

But while you're on about making sure people with drug problems are criminals, you should also understand basic economics of supply and demand as applied to a black market. Marijuana used to be worth more than gold by weight and was a major funding source for an entire counter culture that you probably categorically hate. Now that weed is mostly legal in many places it is no longer as glamorous a scene and is no longer an economy that entices kids to forego college or other careers.

I don't know where you live but I raised kids when some of their high school peers were making six figures growing weed while skipping school. The legalization of pot has taken that away.

When street junkies have free access to good drugs, the black market dries up, needles don't end up in playgrounds, addicts don't use their families food money for a fix, and the addicted regularly check in at clinics. When law enforcement bears down on them they hide, street values go up, break-ins are more common. Addicts get criminal records, making them harder to employ and house.

Fuck addicts, right? They aren't perfect people like you. Let them poison themselves and die in the street. Is that what religion teaches good guys like you?

Hisarpy has never been for labelling drug addicts as criminals, that I can recall, he's a libertarian. His attitude has always been if they want to poison themselves then have at it.

 

[icanhelp1]

Another part of this is the teachers themselves. Who is drawn to teaching as a career? Sure there are some ex-military and law enforcement types, but many teachers are nurturers, not defense-minded security guards.

It would be on a voluntary basis if the asset exist at all. The issue is those few minutes at the beginning even before a response by law enforcement is available, if a shooter is already in the building what harm could come from having a prior service cop or soldier who is proficient in firearms have an option to respond.

Think about all of the school teachers you grew up with. How many of them could you count on to effectively wield a gun? I had a few PE teachers and a couple for auto-shop or history who could have done it, but most of the others would be far more likely to be overpowered and have their gun taken by the attacker before pulling the trigger on a student.

Teachers don't get enough support and training for curriculum, now they have to be guards as well? What would the main priorities be for hiring new staff?

The School Marshal Program is a good idea, train them. Let them have special trainings for teachers who are interested in being part of a fast response team, but don't try to arm Mrs. Dubois, the French teacher.

Nobody is suggesting that. All voluntary and prior service. You can't train a teacher special tactics if they've never had prior training.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/31/british-columbia-decriminalize-cocaine-opioids-meth/

I trust you are aware, that British Columbia is not a state, and there is no Democrat party in Canada. Oh wait, it's just that desire to be seen an idiot showing through again....never mind Carbon Water Boy.

 

[jaF0]

How do we harden cemeteries?

 

[pecksniff]

You have the ability to say all of that because no one can tell you that you can't. Because people with guns stand behind you being able to do it.

But all of those people are either military or LEOs. Nobody objects to their having guns. And private militia clubs do nothing at all to protect anybody's rights or freedom.

 

[JohnEngelman]

19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN):​

• United States — 288
• Mexico — 8
• South Africa — 6
• India — 5
• Nigeria & Pakistan — 4
• Afghanistan — 3
• Brazil, Canada, France — 2
• Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1

 

[pecksniff]

What is "appropriate" to you violates the concepts of Ordered Liberty found in the US Constitution.

I have no problem with you getting to choose what's best for you. I do have a problem with you thinking you get to choose what's best for the rest of us.

That's democracy. Deal with it.