Let's talk about guns, shootings, solutions and idiotic suggestions

[RobDownSouth]

Disagree all you want. It's your right and that's what makes this country great. But you are as blind as the other side. I've listed why and you still ignore it. That's why kids are still getting killed. Ain't no way around it, YOU ARE ALL responsible for this.

Comshaw

I didn't ignore it, you posted it while I was typing my response to your initial post. I will post my ideas later.

 

[jaF0]

NO shipping of firearms of any type or size or any form of ammunition to or from any individual. ONLY to licensed dealers.

That MAY catch some of the ghost gun sellers making them in their basements and shipping to anywhere.

 

[mayfly13]

Idiot suggestions?

Arm the teachers.

The most mind-boggling meme that I ever heard, is the one that I keep hearing againandagainandagain on this Board:

That the right to bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution.

It sounds both moronic and manipulative on steroids to me,
but I don't know enough about your Constitution or History to debunk it.
Could you pls. do it for me?


They either speak as if the Constitution is some sort of Bible, or that society hasn't changed. Or my guess is that they willfully misinterpret that section or refuse to place it in context.

 

[butters]

The most mind-boggling meme that I ever heard, is the one that I keep hearing againandagainandagain on this Board:

That the right to bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution.

It sounds both moronic and manipulative on steroids to me,
but I don't know enough about your Constitution or History to debunk it.
Could you pls. do it for me?


They either speak as if the Constitution is some sort of Bible, or that society hasn't changed. Or my guess is that they willfully misinterpret that section or refuse to place it in context.

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https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-paid-for-nra-promoter.1567320/#post-95252285

 

[LittleDixie]

Honestly, every time something like this happens, we all fixate on it and we all get so sad and angry about it that we feel compelled to "do something". They inflate the scope of the problem and propose wide sweeping, over generalized restrictions, pinwheeling around, calling anyone who disagrees with them as a murderer.

How about we look at the fact that school shootings are super super super rare? In no way are school shootings a regular occurrence. Terrible? Yes. But commonplace? Absolutely not.

When we talk about the 2A, we should remember that we are discussing the Amendment in the Constitution that was second in importance only to the freedom of speech and religion. It wasn't a mistake, it wasn't an oversight. An armed people was the intended goal.

 

[pecksniff]

When we talk about the 2A, we should remember that we are discussing the Amendment in the Constitution that was second in importance only to the freedom of speech and religion. It wasn't a mistake, it wasn't an oversight. An armed people was the intended goal.

We must also remember that there was no good reason for it even then.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

There should be a national data based of those who own guns. There should be an FFL check on EVERY gun sale, even private ones. snip The right blindly refuses to support ANY logical rules and regulations that are suggested.

Not exactly a 'right' wing refusal here. Instead, the opposition to opening FFL checks to the public so they can do it prior to a private sale is then you could run checks on a potential new employee, find out they can't own a gun, and therefore decide not to hire them. This is believed to be...wait for it...racist. So the left doesn't want to make FFL checks public, so no check on private sales.

Regarding the legendary ghost guns, they are actually, legally, hunks of metal. Defining when a hunk of metal becomes a gun is a matter for the government. The current rule is 80%. But getting that last 20% isn't really hard, certainly not for anyone with a few decent tools. So what to change it to? 50%? the story doesn't change. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on which side of the arguement you are on, ghost guns are a tiny blip in guns used for committing crime.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Right now, on the CNN, they have a spot showing that most Americans don't want more gun restrictions.

I think, based on the threads of late, that Lit is an outlier in public opinion.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Ban AR-15 and any weapon that is militarized.

Red flag laws in place for everyone.

Some sort of social media reporting system to flag potential shooty assholes.

Can you tell us exactly what "militarized" means?
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[Sh1ne0n67]

Who fights "Red Flag" laws the hardest?

The same damned people who want to ban guns, because, you know,
the imaginary right to privacy (as opposed to the written right to be armed)...

God Gaia forbid that we be allowed to discover that they, themselves are bat-guano crazy.
Honestly, there are a lot of "personalities" in the anti-gun nut crowd who shouldn't even be allowed to drive.

The car seems to be one of the preferred weapons of the #BLM crowd, e.g., SUVs are preferred for massacres...
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[ll74]

Can you tell us exactly what "militarized" means?
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Weapons made for the military.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Weapons made for the military.

Like the Colt 1911 .45?

One of the most popular firearms in history.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

The AR15 is not made for the military.

They don't even use M16s any more.
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[Sh1ne0n67]

Like the Colt 1911 .45?

One of the most popular firearms in history.

The Il Duce rule: BAN IT!!!

 

[ll74]

Like the Colt 1911 .45?

One of the most popular firearms in history.

The AR-15 is a consumer version of an military weapon. If it was specifically made for the military, then it is militarized and should be banned for consumer use.It should not be converted for consumer use

If you want to get more pedantic about it, talk amongst yourselves.

 

[Chobham]

Weapons made for the military.

US v Miller SCOTUS decision 1939. Take your 'military' nomenclature and cram it.

 

[ll74]

US v Miller SCOTUS decision 1939. Take your 'military' nomenclature and cram it.

No

 

[JohnnySavage]

The AR-15 is a consumer version of an military weapon. If it was specifically made for the military, then it is militarized and should be banned for consumer use.It should not be converted for consumer use

If you want to get more pedantic about it, talk amongst yourselves.

The M-16 was built for Viet Nam and was fairly unsuccessful. It was unreliable and too small of a caliber. The military recognized it wasn't a very good "weapon of war" and phased it out 20 years ago.

 

[ll74]

The M-16 was built for Viet Nam and was fairly unsuccessful. It was unreliable and too small of a caliber. The military recognized it wasn't a very good "weapon of war" and phased it out 20 years ago.

Guess they just needed to try it out in a school setting or movie theater.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Guess they just needed to try it out in a school setting or movie theater.

It's not what's used in the multiple murders in America's inner cities every single weekend.

Why does nobody care about those murders? Because to be awful, the people all have to be killed at the same time?

It's an oddity, for sure.

 

[jaF0]

ANY weapon that can fire a second round without some sort of manual action (cocking a revolver, pump, lever or break action long gun) could be banned and not violate the Second.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

The AR-15 is a consumer version of an military weapon. If it was specifically made for the military, then it is militarized and should be banned for consumer use.It should not be converted for consumer use

If you want to get more pedantic about it, talk amongst yourselves.

No it is not. It is a civilian rifle. It was created specifically for civilian use.
You are conflating two guns merely based upon looks.
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[ll74]

It's not what's used in the multiple murders in America's inner cities every single weekend.

Why does nobody care about those murders? Because to be awful, the people all have to be killed at the same time?

It's an oddity, for sure.

Already posted on this. It's the weapon of choice for mass casualties killers. For a reason (hint, it was made for the military)

Don't like the gun control suggestion, don't lobby for it. Problem solved

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

ANY weapon that can fire a second round without some sort of manual action (cocking a revolver, pump, lever or break action long gun) could be banned and not violate the Second.

Including the revolvers of the 1870s...


Moronic statement.
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[ll74]

No it is not. It is a civilian rifle. You are conflating two guns merely based upon looks.

It was a military weapon converted into a consumer weapon.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/M16-rifle

The AR-15 was developed as a more portable alternative to the 7.62-mm (.308-calibre) battlefield rifles of the day, but ArmaLite had limited success in marketing it to the U.S. military. The AR-15 design was licensed to Colt’s Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company (later Colt’s Manufacturing LLC) in 1959, and upon its adoption by the U.S. Air Force in 1962, the AR-15 was designated the M16 by the Department of Defense. Modified versions of the AR-15 (designated the XM16E1) were used by American combat troops in the Vietnam War in the mid-1960s.