OK... so there are no women on here...

[MMM_wms]

dear K and dear F!

It works every time: one can always draw conclusions on how well the mind of a Lit person works – by the paucity of her remarks she posts. And by how desperately she tries digging up dirt on somebody.

People unable to listen are masters in such disciplines.

 

[Dribble]

The World is flat.

This is a non-mainstream opinion of more than just a few. And it is 100% wrong. No different here. Get over it Boomer

 

[AlwaysInTrouble]

No it was literally a fake experiment. The participants were coached to get the result the experimenter was looking for.

https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/2019-letexier.pdf

One of the secondary conclusions of the 1961 Milgram Experiment on destructive obedience was that, by placing the "volunteers" receiving electric shocks on the other side of a wall and only connected to the "punisher" via microphone, created a dehumanizing effect that led to greater willingness for the "punisher" to administer electric shocks. Couple this dehumanizing effect with the "punisher" being directed to do it and you have a prime environment for behavior far outside the norm of a normally good person.

Interacting via chat rooms with faceless screennames has the same dehumanizing effect and leads to bad behavior and trolling as well. I'd also postulate that most trolls have been trolled themselves, leading to an "ah-hah" moment of realizing how few consequences there were to being an asshole and leading them down the same path.

 

[KatieDoes]

Well, in his defense, my wife CANNOT stand to continue reading a story on lit if it has more than a few grammatical errors. She's certainly not someone who thinks she's better than anyone else, but the errors are a complete turn off to her. Perhaps the same is true of the OP.

Just 2 cents worth of free opinion...

Does your wife create enough alts to field a baseball team, and use all of them to complain about how everyone else is too stupid to worship her as they should?

No?


Then she’s fine. She can read whatever she likes. This isn’t about her.

 

[georgerb]

Well, in his defense, my wife CANNOT stand to continue reading a story on lit if it has more than a few grammatical errors. She's certainly not someone who thinks she's better than anyone else, but the errors are a complete turn off to her. Perhaps the same is true of the OP.

Just 2 cents worth of free opinion...

I find this funny….defending the OP, by telling us your wife’s likes/dislikes. Have you asked her what your personal opinion is? Asking for a friend…..

 

[Bigboobbabe]

... it only LOOKS like there are but, on Lit., the sad situation is that 9 out of 10 'women' are actually full of Y chromosomes.

I mean... it's not as if I've been trying to establish "relationships", still less anything as outrageous as "meet-ups". I'm only looking to discuss erotic plot scenarios with a view to gaining the female angle on things. Not a huge ask, one would think... but it is on Lit.

Right, so I've given up both on the latter requirement and on trying to find a genuine female - and am now trying a different tack. I'd now be open to having these discussions with anyone, the only stipulation being an ability to write in clear, unambiguous English free from the usual clutter of spelling and grammar errors. Yes, I know that that IS a huge ask on here but what the hell.

UK people preferred.

Private emailing away from this site.

Anyone game?

I am 100% female. Not a y chromosome to be found.
Natural 42DD's.
Tight, pink pussy to gush and squirt for you.

 

[TossAwayFellow978]

I feel like all this feel convos - while enlightening - are lost on those who really do need to understand it. Plus I’m sure they won’t really care.

I mean... that's just how it goes, whether you're talking about an internet forum, or conversations in real life. Because you're dealing with egos, and the human brain is often more inclined to settle on a "I'm not wrong, YOU'RE wrong" defense than actually do the introspective work required to right the cerebral ship.
*shrug* This is why the planet's on fire and we're all riddled with COVID. Humans are idiots.

 

[TossAwayFellow978]

The thing is, the OP has NEVER asked nicely for story collaborators. He has only moaned about lack of attention and how hard men like him have it on here, since he joined. If I had a dime for every guy that has published nothing but wants to "discuss plot scenarios" I would be a millionaire. Men even lie and say they have a story written and just want some help....and when I have agreed, it turns out they have nothing written. It is a scam.
It is an old Lit trope....
And every poster has a history. The OP has no history of pleasant posts that would make any female want to know him. Sure, could be incompetence. Either way, I have no doubts, the OP blames woman for not liking him in the real world and Lit world and never thinks it is because he is not fun/ nice/ interesting/ empathetic. He is a moan bag full of entitlement. We have AH for people actually looking to write a real story here. I think benefit of the doubt belongs to those without huge chips on his shoulders.

I do appreciate the irony of a "discuss plot scenarios" trap being set up with complaints about online girls who are really men. That's an old internet trope, too; presented as if it has real statistics to back it up and is irrefutable.
But, no, I don't think it's incompetence. This is how you get incels: men with legit emotional issues that they could probably benefit from seeing a therapist about, and the only way the brain can deal with them is to put the blame on some external source.

 

[TossAwayFellow978]

my conclusion on this whole thread

First of all, what I think may not matter to any of you, but let me state it anyway. To me it appears like the Lit Personals has turned into what I believe Facebook to be.

lol ... Wow. I think you're onto something with this Facebook connection... but only because this reads like something I'd only ever see posted by that one uncle who never gets invited over for Thanksgiving dinner anymore.
... Uncle Jim, is that you???

A bunch of people getting together who have nothing other in mind than telling themselves:

What the mainstream here thinks is right and any + all criticism of the mainstream is wrong necessarily.

Minor point: why the plus sign? "And" is a three letter word, are you really *that* lazy?

I'm not really sure what you're griping about here because you've obscured any pretense of an actual argument in vague, sweeping statements and a deeply misguided victim complex. But, based on what I've read in this thread, I'm assuming that the "mainstream" that you're talking about here is the idea that there are real women on Literotica, and the "criticism" being unfairly dismissed is the opposite idea (that "9 out of 10 'women' are full of Y chromosomes" [by the way, not how chromosomes work]), supported by the super-solid evidence presented by an angry incel who just can't seem to get any women to talk to him.

I mean, given that most of the people who have been posting here are real women, I think we must conclude that the "criticism" is objectively incorrect and can be dismissed out of hand. Since OP presented his argument in terms that purport to have a statistical backing, and the ratio of respondents in this thread appear to refute that assertion, I think it's entirely safe and reasonable to assume that the criticism can be considered wrong necessarily.

No matter what a non-mainstreamer posts here. ….. Over 200 posts full of excuses, in order to avoid taking up and addressing an argument put forth by somebody not agreeing with mainstream thinking.

No, I think the argument has been addressed, multiple times, usually in the form of "Hello, I'm a woman on Lit, you claimed I don't exist but here I am!"
The only excuses I'm seeing are in the decidedly flaccid defense posts OP is getting from his fellow incels. Which, I mean... it's cute y'all are banding together like that. Doesn't make you right, though.

And the new features here – giving half-wits who cannot write an opportunity “to like” a post, and a score for measuring the conformity of anybody to mainstream beliefs – is very Facebook-like.

lol "Half-wits who cannot write"? This is *bold*, coming from someone who abbreviates the word "and."

Too bad that genuine discussions have disappeared here, and that everybody is expected to parrot feminism.

Ah, there it is. You ARE my Uncle from Facebook!
The irony of an anti-feminist whining about conformity is thick and sweet...

 

[SkyeGirl32]

I mean... that's just how it goes, whether you're talking about an internet forum, or conversations in real life. Because you're dealing with egos, and the human brain is often more inclined to settle on a "I'm not wrong, YOU'RE wrong" defense than actually do the introspective work required to right the cerebral ship.
*shrug* This is why the planet's on fire and we're all riddled with COVID. Humans are idiots.

You're so true -- and what you're saying is absolutely valid. Humans are idiots, also what you said to break down that other guy -- we're pretty sure that is one of the OP's alt accounts and that is him trying to back up himself by pretending to be someone else. But I love all your points there as well!

 

[TossAwayFellow978]

You're so true -- and what you're saying is absolutely valid. Humans are idiots, also what you said to break down that other guy -- we're pretty sure that is one of the OP's alt accounts and that is him trying to back up himself by pretending to be someone else. But I love all your points there as well!

lol ... The irony trickles over the border into hypocrisy.
I figured, from context, that there were some alt-name shenanigans happening here, but I nevertheless took the poster I was responding to at face value and responded as if he weren't an avatar of the OP sent in to inflate his own cheering section.
Either way, it makes no matter.

 

[SkyeGirl32]

lol ... The irony trickles over the border into hypocrisy.
I figured, from context, that there were some alt-name shenanigans happening here, but I nevertheless took the poster I was responding to at face value and responded as if he weren't an avatar of the OP sent in to inflate his own cheering section.
Either way, it makes no matter.

Haha, right? It really does!

LOL. And that's a good point - don't give him more power than he thinks he has but truly doesn't.

 

[YourgirlfriendLaura]

My conclusion on this whole thread: men don’t seem to grasp that women don’t want to talk to men who don’t respect women. Men also don’t seem to understand what respecting women means.

That is your opinion. The incel's opinion is that we all suck.( all women are one entity.)..PM them, please. For the love of god, PM them, to discuss why we suck, further...( secret hope that things will get dirty, cause it would be cunty for us to hold their opinion against them) Also, they can never understand why we would be such bitches when they are just giving their well read opinion, (that we suck.)
And no, Vaginas, them saying we suck is no reason to not befriend them....Just PM them, then we will get it. /s/ I have been drinking.

 

[de_valmont]

That is your opinion. The incel's opinion is that we all suck.( all women are one entity.)..PM them, please. For the love of god, PM them, to discuss why we suck, further...( secret hope that things will get dirty, cause it would be cunty for us to hold their opinion against them) Also, they can never understand why we would be such bitches when they are just giving their well read opinion, (that we suck.)
And no, Vaginas, them saying we suck is no reason to not befriend them....Just PM them, then we will get it. /s/ I have been drinking.

are you generous, horny or drunk? just curious. maybe all is true

 

[YourgirlfriendLaura]

Buzzed and sarcastic... I was just thinking of the kind of responses the woman haters would hope for by airing their issues here.
They hope for:
"Like yeah, guy. Most women suck, but I am not like the other girls. Sure, I will PM you, because you deserve my time after insulting millions of my people" Barf. The whole thing was sardonic.
The "PM me" thing is a joke because certain men on here, not the good ones, insult women then tell us to PM for more details....
Not too horny at the present, esp. not for these type of guys. There are soooo many cool/ smart guys out there, I would never PM anyone who lumps millions of beings into one stereotype. No, nothing generous here.

 

[TossAwayFellow978]

Buzzed and sarcastic... I was just thinking of the kind of responses the woman haters would hope for by airing their issues here.
They hope for:
"Like yeah, guy. Most women suck, but I am not like the other girls. Sure, I will PM you, because you deserve my time after insulting millions of my people" Barf. The whole thing was sardonic.
The "PM me" thing is a joke because certain men on here, not the good ones, insult women then tell us to PM for more details....
Not too horny at the present, esp. not for these type of guys. There are soooo many cool/ smart guys out there, I would never PM anyone who lumps millions of beings into one stereotype. No, nothing generous here.

lol I... just don't get it. They hate women – like, really really do seem to genuinely hate them – and then they try to use this as a sales like to get you to hit them up. Huh?

I mean it's nothing new, but it still mystifies me.

 

[Daisy_Love]

my conclusion on this whole thread

First of all, what I think may not matter to any of you, but let me state it anyway. To me it appears like the Lit Personals has turned into what I believe Facebook to be. A bunch of people getting together who have nothing other in mind than telling themselves:

What the mainstream here thinks is right and any + all criticism of the mainstream is wrong necessarily.

No matter what a non-mainstreamer posts here. ….. Over 200 posts full of excuses, in order to avoid taking up and addressing an argument put forth by somebody not agreeing with mainstream thinking. And the new features here – giving half-wits who cannot write an opportunity “to like” a post, and a score for measuring the conformity of anybody to mainstream beliefs – is very Facebook-like.

Too bad that genuine discussions have disappeared here, and that everybody is expected to parrot feminism.

Jesus, don’t you get fed up being a complete negative entity??
You still need that wee cuddle dontcha, MMM_wms!!
Bless yer wee cotton socks

 

[Diosax]

... Uncle Jim, is that you???

 

[Inbef]

My conclusion on this whole thread: men don’t seem to grasp that women don’t want to talk to men who don’t respect women. Men also don’t seem to understand what respecting women means.

It's that simple, uh? I wanted to read this whole thread but unfortunately I'm a man, so every 7 minutes I must think of sex. It has been programmed that way by the gods I prefer to worship. But I'm going to try behaving from now on. I promise.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

It's that simple, uh? I wanted to read this whole thread but unfortunately I'm a man, so every 7 minutes I must think of sex. It has been programmed that way by the gods I prefer to worship. But I'm going to try behaving from now on. I promise.

Thinking about sex =/= disrespecting women, though. So… ???

Newsflash: women think about sex, too. Some of us think about it a lot (just not typically about the OP or men like him).

 

[MMM_wms]

Thinking about sex =/= disrespecting women, though. So… ???

Newsflash: women think about sex, too. Some of us think about it a lot (just not typically about the OP or men like him).

I find your first remark quite remarkable + likable actually. I hope you wanted to remind everybody that there exist many similarities between both genders of the human species.

And I posit: if – somehow, by magic – it were possible to get everybody to STOP reading something terribly wrong into every utterance of some people here, many many posts on threads like this could sound a hell of a lot friendlier.

 

[KatieDoes]

I posit: if - somehow, by magic- a man were consistently told by a large swath of individuals with varying perspectives, viewpoints, life experiences, and backgrounds, that the loathsome attitude with which he was attempting to woo women was incredibly problematic, grossly misogynistic, disgusting, ill advised, ineffective, and pathetic, threads like this would result in the offender having the sense to re evaluate their approach, and perhaps do some work on themselves instead of subjecting women to their fuckshittery.


But, alas, here we are.

 

[MMM_wms]

There are always better-knowers who don't understand anything. So keep on trucking.Katie; you seem to be a helpless case.

 

[georgerb]

I posit: if - somehow, by magic- a man were consistently told by a large swath of individuals with varying perspectives, viewpoints, life experiences, and backgrounds, that the loathsome attitude with which he was attempting to woo women was incredibly problematic, grossly misogynistic, disgusting, ill advised, ineffective, and pathetic, threads like this would result in the offender having the sense to re evaluate their approach, and perhaps do some work on themselves instead of subjecting women to their fuckshittery.


But, alas, here we are.

Sure, beat around the bush...and keep us guessing what you really think....

Gotta love your posts...and the hitting the nail on the head.

*** Going to steal "fuckshittery" for sure.***

 

[Inbef]

Thinking about sex =/= disrespecting women, though. So… ???
Newsflash: women think about sex, too. Some of us think about it a lot (just not typically about the OP or men like him).

Message duly noted.