The Help America Vote Act would not "federalize elections"

[pecksniff]

The John Lewis Voting Rights Act would not "federalize elections"

I note a lot of RWs repeating that as an obvious fact. But, the Voting Rights Act did not federalize elections, which continued to be run by local officials, with some federal oversight, and some access to federal courts provided. How is the JLVRA any different?

 

[Rightguide]

Your post is yet another fucking lie.

 

[pecksniff]

Your post is yet another fucking lie.

How is the HAVA any different from the VRA, in respect of federalizing elections?

 

[pecksniff]

BTW, the best source on election-related controversy is The Voting Wars, by elections lawyer Richard Hasen. He points out that the only real problems with the American elections system are that it is 1) hyperfederalized and 2) partisan -- that is, the elections are run by county supervisors of elections, over whom even their state secretaries of state have very limited oversight, and most of those supervisors are elected as Ds or Rs. He also devotes a chapter to "The Fraudulent Fraud Squad," those trying to whip up popular anger over a nonexistent "voter fraud" problem.

 

[WillJ8787]

I note a lot of RWs repeating that as an obvious fact. But, the Voting Rights Act did not federalize elections, which continued to be run by local officials, with some federal oversight, and some access to federal courts provided. How is the HAVA any different?

This is 100% correct....it's just that it is an "inconvenient truth" for the infidels who need a reason to take over the Country so they fabricate and out out disinformation about it.

 

[pecksniff]

HAVA:

HAVA mandates that all states and localities upgrade many aspects of their election procedures, including their voting machines, registration processes and poll worker training. The specifics of implementation have been left up to each state, which allows for varying interpretations of the federal law.

Provisions

State plan and reporting
To be eligible for federal funding, states must submit a plan describing how payments will be used and distributed, provisions for voter education and poll worker training, how to adopt voting system guidelines, performance measures to determine success (including goals, timetables, responsibilities, and criteria), administrative complaint procedures, and the committee who helped develop the state plan.

Each year the state receives federal funding they must submit a report to the EAC detailing a list of expenditures, the number of and types of voting equipment obtained with the funds, and an analysis and description of the activities funded.

Accessibility
Polling place
The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to make payments to state and local governments for making polling places, including the path of travel, entrances, exits, and voting areas of each polling facility, accessible to individuals with disabilities, including the blind and visually impaired, in a manner that provides the same opportunity for access and participation (including privacy and independence) as for other voters; and providing individuals with disabilities and others with information about the accessibility of polling places, including outreach programs to inform the individuals about the availability of accessible polling places and training election officials, poll workers, and election volunteers on how best to promote the access and participation of individuals with disabilities in elections for Federal office.

Voting systems
HAVA requires each polling location have at least one voting system accessible to individuals with disabilities, including nonvisual accessibility for the blind and visually impaired, in a manner that provides the same opportunity for access and participation (including privacy and independence) as for other voters.

Computerized statewide voter registration
HAVA requires states develop a single, uniform, official, centralized, interactive computerized statewide voter registration list defined, maintained, and administered at the State level. (Previously, voter registration lists could be maintained solely by local officials.) HAVA requires the statewide list be coordinated with other agency databases within the state. HAVA also requires regular "maintenance" of the statewide list including removing ineligible voters and duplicate names are eliminated in accordance with the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA).

Voter identification
HAVA requires that first-time voters who registered by mail, and have not previously voted in a federal election in the State, to present a form of identification to the appropriate State or local election official before or on election day. The ID may be either a current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act. The ID requirement applies to in person and vote by mail voters. In the case of a vote by mail voter, a copy of the ID must be submitted with the ballot. A State may enact further ID requirements which aren't specified under HAVA.

Provisional voting
HAVA requires voters identified as ineligible (such as voters not found on the registered list), but who believe themselves to be eligible, to be able to cast a provisional ballot. After the election, the appropriate State or local election entity will determine if the voter was eligible, if so counting the vote and notify the voter of the outcome. Approximately 1.9 million voters nationwide cast provisional ballots in the 2004 election. Of those, approximately 1.2 million—or 64.5%—were counted.[5] Additionally, any time polling hours are extended voters are required to vote using provisional ballots.[6] Further, voters who do not comply with HAVA's voter identification requirements are able to cast a provisional ballot.

Election Assistance Commission
HAVA created the Election Assistance Commission (EAC), an independent agency of the United States government. The EAC is responsible for holding hearings, functioning as a clearinghouse for election administration information, creating a testing and certification program for voting systems, providing voluntary guidance to states, and administering HAVA grant programs. The EAC has no rulemaking authority other than that permitted by the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA). Any action taken by the EAC requires approval of at least three commissioners

Commissioners
The Election Assistance Commission includes four commissioners (2 Democrats and 2 Republicans) appointed by the President and subject to the advice and consent of the Senate. Commissioners are recommended by House and Senate leadership. HAVA requires all commissioners have experience with or expertise in election administration or the study of elections.[7]

Staff
Staff of the EAC will consist of at least an executive director and a general counsel.

Annual report
Not later than January 31 of each year, the EAC is required to submit an annual report to Congress detailing activities related to HAVA programs including grants or other payments and all votes taken by commissioners.

Voting machines
HAVA requires states to use funding to replace punched card voting systems or lever voting systems with new systems in accordance with HAVA's voting system standards.[8]

Voting systems standards
HAVA sets forth requirements for all voting systems, including that they:

permit the voter to verify (in a private and independent manner) the votes selected by the voter on the ballot before the ballot is cast and counted;
provide the voter with the opportunity (in a private and independent manner) to change the ballot or correct any error before the ballot is cast and counted (including the opportunity to correct the error through the issuance of a replacement ballot if the voter was otherwise unable to change the ballot or correct any error); and
notify the voter of overvotes (votes for more than the maximum number of selections allowed in a contest) and provide the voter a chance to correct these errors.
States that do not use electronic equipment to assist voters with detecting errors must:

establish a voter education program, specific to that voting system, that notifies each voter of the effect of casting multiple votes for an office; and
provide the voter with instructions on how to correct the ballot before it is cast and counted.
HAVA further requires that any required notification preserve the privacy of the voter and the secrecy of the ballot; and that alternative-language accessibility be available pursuant to the requirements of section 203 of the Voting Rights Act.[7]

Auditing
HAVA requires all voting systems be auditable and produce a permanent paper record with a manual audit capacity available as an official record for any recount conducted.[9]

Voluntary Voting System Guidelines
HAVA tasks the EAC with creating and maintaining the Voluntary Voting System Guidelines (VVSG).

Research and development
The EAC is responsible for making grants to entities in carrying out research and development to improve the quality, reliability, accuracy, accessibility, affordability, and security of voting equipment, election systems, and voting technology. HAVA requires the National Institute of Standards and Technology annually recommend areas for research.

Implementation timelines and challenges
Responses to these requirements varied by state, but a widespread effect has been the purchasing of electronic voting machines, including DRE voting machines. There are criticisms of the reliability and security of these machines.

Continued purchasing of non-compliant machines
Some electronic voting machines sold through 2005, including those by Diebold Election Systems, have not met the requirements of HAVA and were not required to be in compliance until January 1, 2006. Concerns have been raised that as late as 2005, vendors were selling non-compliant machines to unwitting states and counties who believed that they were HAVA-compliant. Unless vendors offered a specific guarantee of HAVA compliance, equipment may have required scrapping or retrofitting at taxpayers' expense after January 1, 2006.[10][11][12]

Timelines not met
Compliance with HAVA provisions and timelines was not met in every state, both because of the difficulty of identifying and certifying reliable HAVA compliant voting machines and due to political and bureaucratic delays. A February 2006 report from Election Data Services found that 124 counties reported still using punched card voting systems in the 2006 election (down from 566 in 2000), similarly lever machines had decreased from 434 counties in 2000 to 119 in 2006 with New York state accounting for more than half the total number of counties still using lever machines. 69 million voters will vote using optical scan voting machines, while another 66 million will use DRE voting machines and 11 million will have an option in a mixed system.[13]

Establishing student programs
HAVA establishes three programs for students, one to recruit college students as pollworkers, one to recruit high school students, and one to provide grants for the National Student and Parent Mock Election, a national nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that works to promote voter participation in American elections to enable it to carry out voter education activities for students and their parents.[14]

Military members and overseas citizens
HAVA mandates changes improving the access of military and overseas citizens, including requiring:

the Secretary of Defense to implement measures to ensure that a postmark or other official proof of mailing date is provided on each absentee ballot collected at any overseas location or vessel at sea;[15]
the secretary of each military department to ensure that all military and their families have easy access to voting information;[16]
each state to designate a single office for providing information to overseas voters;[17] and
each state to inform overseas voters of why any application for registration is rejected.[18]

Criticisms

Criticisms of HAVA center around mandated changes in voting technology, voter identification, confusion and voter intimidation, misappropriation of federal funds, and unnecessarily complicating the voter registration process.

Criticisms of electronic voting machines
A Pennsylvania court ruled in April 2007 that voting machine certification was the result of what Judge Rochelle Friedman called "deficient examination criteria" which "do not approximate those that are customary in the information technology industry for systems that require a high level of security". The court ruled that voters have a right under the commonwealth's constitution to reliable and secure voting systems and can challenge the use of electronic voting machines "that provide no way for Electors to know whether their votes will be recognized" through voter verification or independent audit.[19]

ID requirements
Some experts, such as Ricard L. Hasen, contend that requiring photo identification for first-time voters is an unjustified burden in the registration process. The Bush administration began a crackdown on alleged voter fraud in 2002, but despite its massive efforts, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort of voter fraud or of voter registration fraud to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews. "If they found a single case of a conspiracy to affect the outcome of a Congressional election or a statewide election, that would be significant," said Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the Loyola Law School, "But what we see is isolated, small-scale activities that often have not shown any kind of criminal intent."[20]

Misappropriation of funds
The bill has also come under fire for the fact that the majority of the billions of dollars allocated to the states for HAVA has been for increased access for disabled voters, while the main goal of HAVA, avoiding the problems that plagued the 2000 elections in Florida, may have not been adequately served.[21][22]

Complicating voter registration
Critics also state that the bill contains some elements that complicate the voter registration process. For example, Section 303(a)(5) of HAVA provides that no state may accept or process a voter registration form for an election for Federal office unless the application includes "in the case of an applicant who has been issued a current and valid driver's license, the applicant's driver's license number". Critics contend that it costs the country millions of dollars just to process the same basic registration form and confirm that they meet the HAVA requirements.[23]

Partisan differences in implementation
According to a study of the HAVA-based reforms, the states differed along partisan lines in introducing improvements: "[T]he partisan make-up of state government frequently influenced the fate of these reforms. States with a divided government or high party competition tended not to adopt several key electoral reforms, while partisanship and the interaction of partisanship and minority representation influenced the adoption of others. Fiscal constraints and institutional arrangements had less impact on reform adoption. Overall, our findings suggest that electoral reforms were shaped more by political factors than by fiscal concerns or any objective need for reform."[24]

What reasonable objections are there to any of this, other than those listed above under "Criticisms"?

 

[pecksniff]

BTW, the best source on election-related controversy is The Voting Wars, by elections lawyer Richard Hasen. He points out that the only real problems with the American elections system are that it is 1) hyperfederalized and 2) partisan -- that is, the elections are run by county supervisors of elections, over whom even their state secretaries of state have very limited oversight, and most of those supervisors are elected as Ds or Rs. He also devotes a chapter to "The Fraudulent Fraud Squad," those trying to whip up popular anger over a nonexistent "voter fraud" problem.

Note that "federal" is one of those unusual words that can be used in opposing senses. Hamilton's central-government party was called the "Federalists." Reagan's decentralization policy was called the "New Federalism."

In the present discussion, by "hyperfederalized" Hasen means elections are run in an extremely decentralized manner. Those who speak of the HAVA "federalizing" elections mean centralized national control.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

It would had been a federal law that would have placed more power of elections in the hands of the federal government. This federal law would have had supremacy over state laws that are in conflict.

Fortunately this is looking more and more like a moot point. Senate Dems don’t have the votes.

 

[pecksniff]

It would had been a federal law that would have placed more power of elections in the hands of the federal government. This federal law would have had supremacy over state laws that are in conflict.

So did the VRA. So what?

 

[Dribble]

It would had been a federal law that would have placed more power of elections in the hands of the federal government. This federal law would have had supremacy over state laws that are in conflict.

Fortunately this is looking more and more like a moot point. Senate Dems don’t have the votes.

Oh it ain't moot

It is the reason life-long Democrats like myself are leaving the Party. It will give Republicans full control....and they will destroy the country quicker. We can then break up the country into parts. They need us....we don't need them.

 

[GothTalk]

. They need us....we don't need them.

So why is it your side who is adamant about forcing us into your programs???

Why don't blue states put their money where their mouths are and fucking DO IT????

LOL....we all know why.

 

[BidudeinWi]

I note a lot of RWs repeating that as an obvious fact. But, the Voting Rights Act did not federalize elections, which continued to be run by local officials, with some federal oversight, and some access to federal courts provided. How is the HAVA any different?

IRRELEVANT! The Constitution give the power to make election LAWS, to State Legislatures, PERIOD! The entire bill is Unconstitutional and will NEVER become Law!

 

[ll74]

IRRELEVANT! The Constitution give the power to make election LAWS, to State Legislatures, PERIOD! The entire bill is Unconstitutional and will NEVER become Law!

They've already created legislation regarding elections which has been held as constitutional by the courts and so his comment is absolutely relevant...you not wanting to acknowledge that is not.

 

[pecksniff]

How is the HAVA any different from the VRA, in respect of federalizing elections?

Nobody has yet answered this.

 

[BidudeinWi]

They've already created legislation regarding elections which has been held as constitutional by the courts and so his comment is absolutely relevant...you not wanting to acknowledge that is not.

Oh please tell us about it then, rather than expecting us to rely on your public K-12 education. Or, STFU!

 

[ll74]

Oh please tell us about it then, rather than expecting us to rely on your public K-12 education. Or, STFU!

The comment you responded to told you about it.

 

[BidudeinWi]

They've already created legislation regarding elections which has been held as constitutional by the courts and so his comment is absolutely relevant...you not wanting to acknowledge that is not.

The comment you responded to told you about it.

I responded to the OP Einstein and no, Peckersneverstiff didn’t explain it. Link your sources, you gaslighting POS!

 

[ll74]

I responded to the OP Einstein and no, Peckersneverstiff didn’t explain it. Link your sources, you gaslighting POS!

Yes, the voting rights act is gaslighting.

Can you self own any more?

 

[pecksniff]

HAVA:



What reasonable objections are there to any of this, other than those listed above under "Criticisms"?

Nobody has answered this, either.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Nobody has answered this, either.

Yup, I did. Unconstitutional!

 

[ll74]

Yup, I did. Unconstitutional!

Dude who ignores the ruling on the voting rights act because he doesn't see it as relevant comments on voting laws

 

[BidudeinWi]

Yes, the voting rights act is gaslighting.

Can you self own any more?

COMPLETELY different issue and you are guilty as charged for thinking so. (Public k-12)

 

[ll74]

COMPLETELY different issue and you are guilty as charged for thinking so. (Public k-12)

They're both dealing with elections.

Never went to public school.

Your argument is baseless in every respect here and easily shown.

Well done

 

[BidudeinWi]

Yes, the voting rights act is gaslighting.

Can you self own any more?

They're both dealing with elections.

Never went to public school.

Your argument is baseless in every respect here and easily shown.

Well done

You’ve staunch retorts have been proven wrong so many times you have ZERO credibility! You advocated for “vaccines” so people didn’t get covid, (WRONG) you advocated for “vaccines” so you don’t transmit covid to others, (Wrong) you advocated for “vaccines” so you don’t die.(Wrong) You should work for CNN or be one of the ladies on the View, you’d fit right in.

 

[ll74]

You’ve staunch retorts have been proven wrong so many times you have ZERO credibility! You advocated for “vaccines” so people didn’t get covid, (WRONG) you advocated for “vaccines” so you don’t transmit covid to others, (Wrong) you advocated for “vaccines” so you don’t die.(Wrong) You should work for CNN or be one of the ladies on the View, you’d fit right in.

You seem triggered. You literally asked for reference about federal involvement as a response to a comment in the voting rights act, which was already ruled constitutional.

And when I call you out, you need to bring in other comments to diminish my calling you out.


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