No, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not to facilitate insurrection

[CornusKousa]

Fucking winter kimchi stinks when it's uncorked.

Stinks soooooooo good...
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Speaking of I gotta get my cabbage going tomorrow so I can make a winter batch this year.

Stinking the house up in the morning alll....
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Then destroying souls at night all..
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[phrodeau]

BLM buses, sure, sure.

 

[pecksniff]

Many including myself already have.

Last year, BLM came to "MOSTLY peacefully protest".

They got off their buses, found them surrounded by a bunch of heavily armed people and a sheriff telling them they could stand there in the park and wave their signs but would otherwise be advised to pound sand.....and they got back on their buses and promptly fucked off.

No riots here.

I'm sure the sheriff could've handled that without your help -- and that it made him much more apprehensive than reassured. No LEO ever likes to see a crowd of armed civilians no matter why they're there or what side they're on -- there is always entirely too much that could go wrong.

 

[pecksniff]

Gun nuts are often charged with a "Wild West" mentality -- but, in actual historical fact, life in the Old West, apart from the Indian Wars, was really not all that violent. In most towns, if you came to town armed, you had to check your gun with the sheriff. A cowboy was more likely to be dragged to death by his own horse than to die in a gunfight. The whole thing was a media creation even at the time, with people in the Tame East grooving to Wild West shows and dime novels about gunslingers, while the real people out west got on with their farming and ranching and mining.

 

[Lazaran]

BLM buses, sure, sure.

BoBo just jumped the shark...........while riding another shark.

LMFAOOOOOOO

 

[bellisarius]

Gun nuts are often charged with a "Wild West" mentality -- but, in actual historical fact, life in the Old West, apart from the Indian Wars, was really not all that violent. In most towns, if you came to town armed, you had to check your gun with the sheriff. A cowboy was more likely to be dragged to death by his own horse than to die in a gunfight. The whole thing was a media creation even at the time, with people in the Tame East grooving to Wild West shows and dime novels about gunslingers, while the real people out west got on with their farming and ranching and mining.

You mean like today. We know who's murdering who and where in spite of the media's attempts to blame the murder's on people that had/have nothing to do with the crime.

 

[CornusKousa]

I'm sure the sheriff could've handled that without your help --and that it made him much more apprehensive than reassured.

Then why did he ask us to be there??

No LEO ever likes to see a crowd of armed civilians no matter why they're there or what side they're on -- there is always entirely too much that could go wrong.

Oh I'm sure he would have MUCH rather watched the town get looted and burned....oh wait he's not a Democrat.

You have no idea what you're talking about again Peck, and it's glaringly obvious.

 

[bellisarius]

54% of ALL felonies in the US are committed by a group that represent 13% of the population. And it's actually worse than that. Within that 13% it's only males between the ages of 15 and 35 doing the crimes. So in reality we're only talking about 5% of the population.................maybe.

Another group that represents approx. 19% of the population commits another 27% of all felonies. And again, only males in the same age group, maybe 9% of that demographic.

So here we have 32% of the population committing 81% of all felonies by demographic group and by actual representation it's but 24%.

And those very same assholes are trying to tell me that I'm the problem!!!! That dog won't hunt.

 

[pecksniff]

Then why did he ask us to be there??

Then you were not a militia, you were a posse -- under his command. Can't make an insurrection out of that.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You mean like today. We know who's murdering who and where in spite of the media's attempts to blame the murder's on people that had/have nothing to do with the crime.

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[AlexBailey]

54% of ALL felonies in the US are committed by a group that represent 13% of the population. And it's actually worse than that. Within that 13% it's only males between the ages of 15 and 35 doing the crimes. So in reality we're only talking about 5% of the population.................maybe.

Another group that represents approx. 19% of the population commits another 27% of all felonies. And again, only males in the same age group, maybe 9% of that demographic.

So here we have 32% of the population committing 81% of all felonies by demographic group and by actual representation it's but 24%.

And those very same assholes are trying to tell me that I'm the problem!!!! That dog won't hunt.

Hmmm... How many crimes do you think trump has committed, and how many do you think he will be convicted for?

 

[pecksniff]

54% of ALL felonies in the US are committed by a group that represent 13% of the population. And it's actually worse than that. Within that 13% it's only males between the ages of 15 and 35 doing the crimes. So in reality we're only talking about 5% of the population.................maybe.

Another group that represents approx. 19% of the population commits another 27% of all felonies. And again, only males in the same age group, maybe 9% of that demographic.

So here we have 32% of the population committing 81% of all felonies by demographic group and by actual representation it's but 24%.

And those very same assholes are trying to tell me that I'm the problem!!!! That dog won't hunt.

What's that got to do with this? For these purposes you are only "the problem" if you're one of those idiots training for war on weekends.

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

“You’ll never beat the government with just guns?”

Who says it has to be open warfare?

In the former Eastern Bloc, every socialist regime had a secret police force, the KGB, Stasi, Ministry of Public Security, etc.

If people were speaking out against the regime, distributing underground newspapers, spying, helping resistance movements, etc, they would hear a knock on their door, be dragged away, and never seen again. They would be tortured and killed. This was essential to the regime’s power. It was how they stopped information, controlled opinion, silenced opponents, and maintained their hold on the populace. Sure, the printed newspapers full of propaganda and state controlled media did a lot, but at the end of the day every one of these regimes held onto power through the barrel of a Stasi or KGB gun.

Now think of this scenario. When a person who knows the regime hates them hears the knock on their door, they know they are a deadman. They know they have nothing left to lose. But in East Germany, they were defenseless. It didn’t matter. Violating their rights carried no risk to the operative doing so. Now imagine a different scenario:

You are a Stasi operative, you are briefed on this mission: “You are to arrest ABCD for crimes against the state. When you enter their house, they will know their life is already over. There is about a 50% chance they are heavily armed and will instantly open fire on you. Alright, good luck, hope you live to see tonight.” How hesitant do you think people will be to carry out those orders?

An armed populace is fundamentally impossible to totally control. This is a fact. Why do you think one political party hates the right to bear arms sooooo much?

 

[pecksniff]

“You’ll never beat the government with just guns?”

Who says it has to be open warfare?

In the former Eastern Bloc, every socialist regime had a secret police force, the KGB, Stasi, Ministry of Public Security, etc.

And they overthrew them without guns.

 

[AlexBailey]

“You’ll never beat the government with just guns?”

Who says it has to be open warfare?

In the former Eastern Bloc, every socialist regime had a secret police force, the KGB, Stasi, Ministry of Public Security, etc.

If people were speaking out against the regime, distributing underground newspapers, spying, helping resistance movements, etc, they would hear a knock on their door, be dragged away, and never seen again. They would be tortured and killed. This was essential to the regime’s power. It was how they stopped information, controlled opinion, silenced opponents, and maintained their hold on the populace. Sure, the printed newspapers full of propaganda and state controlled media did a lot, but at the end of the day every one of these regimes held onto power through the barrel of a Stasi or KGB gun.

Now think of this scenario. When a person who knows the regime hates them hears the knock on their door, they know they are a deadman. They know they have nothing left to lose. But in East Germany, they were defenseless. It didn’t matter. Violating their rights carried no risk to the operative doing so. Now imagine a different scenario:

You are a Stasi operative, you are briefed on this mission: “You are to arrest ABCD for crimes against the state. When you enter their house, they will know their life is already over. There is about a 50% chance they are heavily armed and will instantly open fire on you. Alright, good luck, hope you live to see tonight.” How hesitant do you think people will be to carry out those orders?

An armed populace is fundamentally impossible to totally control. This is a fact. Why do you think one political party hates the right to bear arms sooooo much?

You play way too much Farcry.

 

[pecksniff]

An armed populace is fundamentally impossible to totally control.

Hussein always managed to control his.

 

[phrodeau]

Hmmm... How many crimes do you think trump has committed, and how many do you think he will be convicted for?

I’m guessing that 13% is the old rich white dudes.

 

[Rightguide]

54% of ALL felonies in the US are committed by a group that represent 13% of the population. And it's actually worse than that. Within that 13% it's only males between the ages of 15 and 35 doing the crimes. So in reality we're only talking about 5% of the population.................maybe.

Another group that represents approx. 19% of the population commits another 27% of all felonies. And again, only males in the same age group, maybe 9% of that demographic.

So here we have 32% of the population committing 81% of all felonies by demographic group and by actual representation it's but 24%.

And those very same assholes are trying to tell me that I'm the problem!!!! That dog won't hunt.

But...but...your white supremacy made me do it!

 

[CornusKousa]

Then you were not a militia, you were a posse -- under his command. Can't make an insurrection out of that.

Posse, militia....potaytoe pa-tah-toh.

Same group of people engaging in the exact same activity that at it's core is protected by 2A.

Our town didn't get sac'ed by the fuckin' savages because the local civilian population grabbed their arms and met the threat at the front door and told it "Not by the hair of your chinny chin chin.....these little pigs have belt fed mother fucker, you're NOT in Minneapolis anymore." .

 

[pecksniff]

Posse, militia....potaytoe pa-tah-toh.

Same group of people engaging in the exact same activity that at it's core is protected by 2A.

But not in insurrection. That would have been if you ignored BLM and turned your guns on the sheriff.

 

[CornusKousa]

But not in insurrection.

So?? That wasn't the argument.

This bullshit was....

And none of them will ever do anything that matters in military terms unless they re-enlist.

^^ 100% pure USDA grade AAA ignorance.

That would have been if you ignored BLM and turned your guns on the sheriff.

We aren't Democrats and BLM supporters though.

 

[pecksniff]

So?? That wasn't the argument.

This bullshit was....


^^ 100% pure USDA grade AAA ignorance.



We aren't Democrats and BLM supporters though.

What you were describing was not a military action. That would have been if the BLM protesters had been armed and fire was exchanged. As it was, you could have accomplished exactly the same thing by brandishing baseball bats.

 

[CornusKousa]

What you were describing was not a military action.
That would have been if the BLM protesters had been armed and fire was exchanged.

You just pulled that out of your ass.

And yes it is military action. Combat =/= military action.

You REALLY don't know what you're talking about, every time you step into this lane you just highlight how ignorant of these topics you are.

As it was, you could have accomplished exactly the same thing by brandishing baseball bats.

That's a lie and you know it.

If baseball bats are just as good as a machine gun, why doesn't the military carry baseball bats into battle??

Why are you so desperate to take peoples guns instead of their baseball bats??

Cuz you know damn well gun > bat..... you're just too dishonest to admit it.

 

[pecksniff]

You just pulled that out of your ass.

And yes it is military action. Combat =/= military action.

Confrontation =/= military action.

If baseball bats are just as good as a machine gun, why doesn't the military carry baseball bats into battle??

Because the other guys have guns. In the story you're telling -- which is not an easy story to believe, because it's hard to imagine any sheriff that irresponsible nowadays -- they didn't.

 

[CornusKousa]

Confrontation =/= military action.

I never said it was.

Setting up for a confrontation with elevated and defensible positions with overlapping fields of fire, communications and full security running town like a FOB in Iraq largely by a MARSOC vet with 25 years of experience supported by a dozen combat vets a hundred or so civilian volunteers??

That's about as close to a military operation as it gets without enlisting.

Because the other guys have guns.

No.

In the story you're telling -- which is not an easy story to believe -- they didn't.

100% irrelevant.

Again, you're so fucking far outside your lane you're driving backwards.....you should educate yourself before continuing to talk about things you clearly do not understand.

BTW, this scene to some extent or another went down in small towns ALL SUMMER LONG last year.