No, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not to facilitate insurrection

[Cubantripod]

You won't find a lawyer in the country who reads it that way.

A lawyer isn't concerned with that. A lawyer is concerned with Heller v. DC which states that guns are a fundamental right in the Bill of Rights.

 

[CornusKousa]

None the regular Armed Forces can't handle better.

Maybe, maybe not.

The regz and Nasty Girl (national guard) aren't always everywhere at all times and sometimes a community has to come together to protect itself and we have several mechanisms built into our legal system to facilitate this in a civilized manner.

Including 2A.

Not even Washington thought much of the fighting capacity of militia.

The Iraqi's, Afghans and Vietnamese didn't think much of regular military line units.

 

[bellisarius]

There was no 2A when that was written, and Publius was hostile to the idea of a Bill of Rights.

Not exactly hostile, just didn't think they were necessary. After all most all of them were well read and motivated by the writings of John Locke. Those rights were understood to be 'natural rights' and the thought that ANY government would violate them was a foreign thought in their minds. Fortunately there were enough folks around to insist that 'we get that down in writing.'

 

[Dribble]

Tick tock tick tock

Nothing a big beautiful wall can't fix.

 

[CornusKousa]

Not exactly hostile, just didn't think they were necessary. After all most all of them were well read and motivated by the writings of John Locke.

Actual liberals

 

[pecksniff]

A lawyer isn't concerned with that. A lawyer is concerned with Heller v. DC which states that guns are a fundamental right in the Bill of Rights.

That has nothing to do with insurrection.

 

[pecksniff]

Not exactly hostile, just didn't think they were necessary. After all most all of them were well read and motivated by the writings of John Locke. Those rights were understood to be 'natural rights' and the thought that ANY government would violate them was a foreign thought in their minds. Fortunately there were enough folks around to insist that 'we get that down in writing.'

As I recall from government class, Publius' concern was that the specific enumeration of some rights in a BoR would imply no other rights were protected.

There are, of course, no such things as natural rights, no more than there is any such thing as natural law apart from the laws of mathematics, physics and chemistry.

 

[bellisarius]

The 2A begins, "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State . . ."

But, it isn't. Militias in the 18th-Century sense have played no role in any American conflict since the Spanish-American War. They are not necessary.

I have to revisit this.

First of all you don't have the foggiest clue as to what militia's are, who they are, or their relevancy. And unlike some really intelligent 'progressives', you have no idea what a threat they represent to the Socialist agenda.

As has already been pointed out, our war fighters, police, etc. swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. They do not swear an oath to any politician. This is significant, even more so today than a hundred years ago.

Who are the militia's? I can' t speak to those east of the Mississippi, but the western militia's are almost entirely former SOCOM people. Special Forces, SEALS, etc. Beginning in the 1990's the Special Operation branch's were built up, massively built up. These people are extraordinarily well trained in unconventional warfare. Thousands of them are now out in the civil sector. They are your police, firefighters, sworn Federal agents (not FBI, FBI is lawyers and accountants). They are also militia members. They are the ones that ended the stand off at the Bundy ranch, and the preserve up on Oregon. In both cases it was the government that backed down.

About 6 years ago or so the 'progressives' in the democrat party finally realized what was going on and they are scared shitless, and for good reason. Hence the never ending mantra on their part to demonize the militia's. They somehow believe that using Alinsky tactics on these people is going to yield results. In a sense it has, they are in effect one of the best recruiting agencies. Ahh the irony. You have obviously bought into that whole line of bullshit and unwittingly become a recruiter yourself.

The Bundy Ranch standoff. The BLM brought in a whole bunch of dudes with guns in an attempt to intimidate. They also, for some unknown reason before the fact, paid to have some of their field crew trained as 'snipers.' Went to school for a whole week to learn the craft. Hell, I even know some of the crew that trained them. They learned the basics of long range shooting and how to hide behind a rock or a tree. What they didn't learn was effective concealment of counter-sniper techniques. The reason BLM packed their shit and walked away is that the head 'negotiator' was handed a folder and in that folder was a photo of every one of their 'snipers' with a cross hair super-imposed on the pic. And as he was looking through it he was told, "If anyone of your people fire a round, every one of those 'snipers' will be dead within 3 seconds. You have no ace in the hole." The dude went back to his people and wanted to know where those other snipers were. No one knew. So they packed their shit and left. Amateurs up against pros.

 

[Cubantripod]

That has nothing to do with insurrection.

Th reasoning in Heller mentions people's need for guns to fight off a tyrannical government. So yes it does.

 

[pecksniff]

I have to revisit this.

First of all you don't have the foggiest clue as to what militia's are, who they are, or their relevancy.

There are:

1. The National Guard.

2. The "unorganized militia" provided for in 10 U.S.C. 246 (a provision that, AFAIK, has never, ever been invoked).

3. Private "militia" clubs with no official status of any kind and no use whatsoever to society.

End of list. There is no fourth kind.

 

[bellisarius]

There are:

1. The National Guard.

2. The "unorganized militia" provided for in 10 U.S.C. 246 (a provision that, AFAIK, has never, ever been invoked).

3. Private "militia" clubs with no official status of any kind and no use whatsoever to society.

End of list.

You're going to stick with it, aren't ya? *chuckle*

Here's the problem you have in a nutshell. No one involved cares about the National Guard (that name alone should be a tip off) or 10 U.F.C. 246. Then you define the militia's as 'no use to society.' Whose society, yours? What 'society' do you envision? Did it ever occur to you that others have a different idea, just as valid?

 

[pecksniff]

You're going to stick with it, aren't ya? *chuckle*

Here's the problem you have in a nutshell. No one involved cares about the National Guard (that name alone should be a tip off) or 10 U.F.C. 246. Then you define the militia's as 'no use to society.' Whose society, yours? What 'society' do you envision? Did it ever occur to you that others have a different idea, just as valid?

A "militia" that helps a rancher dodge his taxes, or takes over a federal bird sanctuary, or blows up a federal courthouse is of no use whatsoever to society and of no use whatsoever to any revolutionary cause. And no private militia club in America will ever do anything more serious than that. With the possible but doubtful exception of Redneck Revolt.

 

[CornusKousa]

I have to revisit this.

First of all you don't have the foggiest clue as to what militia's are, who they are, or their relevancy. And unlike some really intelligent 'progressives', you have no idea what a threat they represent to the Socialist agenda.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” - Guess WHO!!!

Who are the militia's? I can' t speak to those east of the Mississippi, but the western militia's are almost entirely former SOCOM people. Special Forces, SEALS, etc.

Montana has damn near if not an entire Ranger Bat. in it's western mountain ranges. All under 45 years old, almost if not all with more than 1 combat tour. Largest concentration I think in the country. Idaho has a lot of 75th vets too and a fucking shit load of dudes who did tours with high end/high intensity specialized but not "SpecOps" or full time/official SOCOM units like 101st, 173rd, 10th and 82nd...btw those guys are fuckin' animals.

I haven't even met many outside the Army circles I'm part of I just haven't had time but Montana has a rather high per capita combat vet concentration.

N. Minnesota has a rea mix, I mean we got every flavor of operator living in and across the north state, but it's not as concentrated as MT.

Beginning in the 1990's the Special Operation branch's were built up, massively built up. These people are extraordinarily well trained in unconventional warfare.

Yup...and post 9/11 things went really CRAZY.

Between 2001 when we went into Afghanistan still rocking some Vietnam era gear, to 2003 invading Iraq we were looking operator AF with all the sweet tits new gear.

By 2005?? Every combat unit in the Army looked like god damn delta force....even POG's had decked out M4's.

They somehow believe that using Alinsky tactics on these people is going to yield results.

Shit is funny.

The Bundy Ranch standoff. The BLM brought in a whole bunch of dudes with guns in an attempt to intimidate. They also, for some unknown reason before the fact, paid to have some of their field crew trained as 'snipers.' Went to school for a whole week to learn the craft. Hell, I even know some of the crew that trained them. They learned the basics of long range shooting and how to hide behind a rock or a tree. What they didn't learn was effective concealment of counter-sniper techniques. The reason BLM packed their shit and walked away is that the head 'negotiator' was handed a folder and in that folder was a photo of every one of their 'snipers' with a cross hair super-imposed on the pic. And as he was looking through it he was told, "If anyone of your people fire a round, every one of those 'snipers' will be dead within 3 seconds. You have no ace in the hole." The dude went back to his people and wanted to know where those other snipers were. No one knew. So they packed their shit and left. Amateurs up against pros.

And peck thinks armed, trained, experienced veteran warfighters stand NO CHANCE OF SURVIVAL!!! in any battle with the blue haired non-binary anti-gun vegan crowd.

Please eat more soy and #ABOLISHTHEPOLICE!!!! we REALLY want you to abolish those racist, horrible, NAZI police....get rid of them all.

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[Dribble]

Talk talk talk talk talk. None of these tough guys here have any balls. Nothing but empty words. I don't fear anyone that tells anyone...even their militia buddies...what they "plan" on doing.

 

[AlexBailey]

Th reasoning in Heller mentions people's need for guns to fight off a tyrannical government. So yes it does.

Lol. Yeah. They didn't foresee the delusional Trumpian style cultists defining 'tyrannical government' as being what was duly elected by the majority of voters, i.e. by the same EC margin as what Trump called a 'landslide.'

The losers who complain about the tyranny of the majority under Biden and claim that the 2a is their constitutionally proteced solution need to be tagged, tracked and disarmed. Every time one of them acts out, they bring the majority of the American people a little closer to understanding how dangerous they really are.

 

[pecksniff]

Montana has damn near if not an entire Ranger Bat. in it's western mountain ranges. All under 45 years old, almost if not all with more than 1 combat tour. Largest concentration I think in the country. Idaho has a lot of 75th vets too and a fucking shit load of dudes who did tours with high end/high intensity specialized but not "SpecOps" or full time/official SOCOM units like 101st, 173rd, 10th and 82nd...btw those guys are fuckin' animals.

And none of them will ever do anything that matters in military terms unless they re-enlist.

 

[CornusKousa]

3. Private "militia" clubs with no official status of any kind and no use whatsoever to society.

End of list. There is no fourth kind.

A "militia" that helps a rancher dodge his taxes, or takes over a federal bird sanctuary, or blows up a federal courthouse is of no use whatsoever to society and of no use whatsoever to any revolutionary cause. And no private militia club in America will ever do anything more serious than that. With the possible but doubtful exception of Redneck Revolt.

Yet for being of no use of any kind to anyone they sure are popular and effective in certain circumstances.

Lie to yourself as much as you need peck

 

[pecksniff]

Yet for being of no use of any kind to anyone they sure are popular and effective in certain circumstances.

What did Ammon Bundy's takeover of Malheur actually accomplish?

I recall at the time, a local head of a rancher's organization was on TV -- she said they had their problems with the BLM but were resolving them through negotiation, and did not want Bundy's kind of help.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yet for being of no use of any kind to anyone they sure are popular and effective in certain circumstances.

Lie **Twitch** to yourself as much as you need peck

popular? with certain anarchy-minded simpletons, yes.
effective? hardly. Ask any Branch Davidian in Waco....oh wait, they're all dead.

 

[phrodeau]

Yet for being of no use of any kind to anyone they sure are popular and effective in certain circumstances.

Lie to yourself as much as you need peck

If they hide behind the 2nd Amendment, but show zero respect for the rule of law, resisting arrest with threats of violence, they are of no use in this country.

 

[pecksniff]

If they hide behind the 2nd Amendment, but show zero respect for the rule of law, resisting arrest with threats of violence, they are of no use in this country.

Well, there is the entertainment value.

 

[CornusKousa]

And none of them will ever do anything that matters in military terms unless they re-enlist.

Many including myself already have.

Last year, BLM came to "MOSTLY peacefully protest".

They got off their buses, found them surrounded by a bunch of heavily armed people and a sheriff telling them they could stand there in the park and wave their signs but would otherwise be advised to pound sand.....and they got back on their buses and promptly fucked off.

No riots here.

Also during the worst of the rioting in Minneapolis, we went to the city to help my buddy secure his home/shop. We secured the fuck out of that place, military style, NOBODY was doing to come set him and his fam on fire in the middle of the night....and they didn't. There were a few other places protected in a similar fashion. I had some good chats and a laughs with some other Koreans across the street, they were on their roof too.

Koreans.....we just....gravitate towards rooftops, especially when there is rioting.

Like spicy fermented cabbage we just cant' help ourselves.

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[CornusKousa]

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[bellisarius]

Fucking winter kimchi stinks when it's uncorked.

 

[CornusKousa]

You see....I'm very much like my fellow members of the Rooftop Militia here...

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LOL...came across this and had to have it....be here next week. I love the internet so much.
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