LW is not your friend!

[regularguy13]

FYI new writers Beware of the Loving Wives category!

Ha! I just got scorched! Ripped to shreds in comments for two chapters posted to Loving Wives!

It's not a category I normally post to, but I'd written a story about Stags & Vixens. For those that don't recognize the terms, a 'stag' is a man that likes to watch other men have sex with his wife/GF, the vixen. This lifestyle is different from a cuckold man. The women isn't shaming or sneaking around on her man.

Hmm? Where to put a story about a husband and wife and consensual adultery? I scanned the categories. This one says 'Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more'. Oh, Loving Wives seems like the perfect fit.

NOT! At least not by the readers. The comments were hilarious. Those folks defend there ground!

 

[SimonDoom]

FYI new writers Beware of the Loving Wives category!

Ha! I just got scorched! Ripped to shreds in comments for two chapters posted to Loving Wives!

It's not a category I normally post to, but I'd written a story about Stags & Vixens. For those that don't recognize the terms, a 'stag' is a man that likes to watch other men have sex with his wife/GF, the vixen. This lifestyle is different from a cuckold man. The women isn't shaming or sneaking around on her man.

Hmm? Where to put a story about a husband and wife and consensual adultery? I scanned the categories. This one says 'Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more'. Oh, Loving Wives seems like the perfect fit.

NOT! At least not by the readers. The comments were hilarious. Those folks defend there ground!

It depends on how you look at it.

I like stag and vixen stories. Many readers do. The best place to get a big readership for those stories and many favorites and positive comments is Loving Wives, without question.

The problem is all the nasty comments and downvotes that go with it. You must expect that the score for your story will suffer, and you have to put up with trash feedback.

So you have to decide: Do you want to maximize your total number of readers, including readers who love your story, or do you want to maximize the score and avoid the bad comments? If the former, post in Loving Wives. If the latter, post elsewhere.

 

[AlinaX]

A lot of cuckoldry goes into Fetish and I guess stag/vixen could too. Of course, if you're sharing the wife with more than one man at a time, stick it in Group...

 

[lovecraft68]

Like all categories the description of LW was posted years ago. Most categories the original tag is accurate, but LW has devolved into an absolute sewer where the stories that do belong there are flamed by one of the many factions of hate filled maggots masquerading as men.

I feel for the writers and readers who are trying to write or find an actual story and not an agenda filled pile of trash to further incense the keyboard warriors that spew their hate without consequence.

I'd suggest erotic couplings next time, perhaps fetish. If the husband participates at all, group could even work.

The insecure incels do seem to have an uncanny sixth sense to find a 'cheating story' in any category, but hey, turds do roll out of the catbox from time to time so nowhere is completely safe, but LW is at this point, a pure blight on the site.

 

[tomlitilia]

The abusive incel comments die down after a while, ime. Then the people who actually take the time to read the story start commenting, and then you get a lot of appreciation too.

 

[SimonDoom]

If you can't take all the abuse and downvoting, I have a helpful suggestion: if the story has any exhibitionist elements (and many of these stories do), publish it in E&V. I've done that with "hot wife" stories and had good success, and much less nasty commenting and downvoting. E&V is one of the most tolerant and open-minded category readership groups.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

You can always turn off comments and voting for LW stories. Or just turn off Anonymous comments for all your stories.

I have anon comments turned off. I write a lot of LW stories. I have a good laugh when I read the comments. Most of the time you can tell which guy is an unwilling cuckold just from his comments. The hate he spews in his comments is priceless.

Then there are the comments hoping that my wife and I get some incurable disease. Funny thing is we never did or where a LW couple. Those I delete.

Then there are those comments you can tell that the commenter didn't even read the story. Those too, I delete.

It's too bad that when you delete a nasty comment the vote doesn't go along with it.

I like writing LW stories of all kinds, except the wimp cuckold, even though some comments try to say the husband was a wimp.

When I need a laugh, I go back and reread some of the comments I have gotten.

 

[TadOverdon]

...do you want to maximize the score and avoid the bad comments? If the latter, post elsewhere.

That doesn't work either.

I've never posted in LW, but there's cuckolding in my books. If anything sets those idiots off more than a story like that in LW I think it may be their stumbling into one in a category where they don't expect it. Mother-fucking is supposed to be a safe space! (Despite having worked out so poorly for the royal family of Thebes)

 

[jaF0]

but I'd written a story about Stags & Vixens.

Both of those terms are made up nonsense and I'm opposed to their use in any form.

 

[tomlitilia]

If you can't take all the abuse and downvoting, I have a helpful suggestion: if the story has any exhibitionist elements (and many of these stories do), publish it in E&V. I've done that with "hot wife" stories and had good success, and much less nasty commenting and downvoting. E&V is one of the most tolerant and open-minded category readership groups.

I've done this too, especially if it's for a contest. But there are many potential readers who won't find the story there.

 

[gordo12]

FYI new writers Beware of the Loving Wives category!

Ha! I just got scorched! Ripped to shreds in comments for two chapters posted to Loving Wives!

It's not a category I normally post to, but I'd written a story about Stags & Vixens. For those that don't recognize the terms, a 'stag' is a man that likes to watch other men have sex with his wife/GF, the vixen. This lifestyle is different from a cuckold man. The women isn't shaming or sneaking around on her man.

Hmm? Where to put a story about a husband and wife and consensual adultery? I scanned the categories. This one says 'Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more'. Oh, Loving Wives seems like the perfect fit.

NOT! At least not by the readers. The comments were hilarious. Those folks defend there ground!

So you got almost 23,000 views (assuming they read) and a whole 20 comments, most of which were from the regular crowd of "trash anything we don't like!" The ones who there every day and read every store before trashing it. Does it make you kind of wonder why they're there?

That's 1/10 of 1% of that 23,000 potential readers, and you want to run for the door?

It also got a lot more favs than negative comments. Focus on that. I'll also bet the vote total is one of the largest you have on any story.

A sweep wll get rid of the shitty votes. There are a lot of positives to LW. You just have to look past the outspoken ones.

 

[SimonDoom]

That doesn't work either.

It doesn't eliminate the problem, but it significantly reduces it. I have a "Slut Wife" story I posted in Exhibitionist and Voyeur that has over 100,000 views and a score of 4.66. Had I posted it in Loving Wives, it might have more views, but it certainly would have a much lower score. The story received relatively few nasty comments. It would have been savaged in Loving Wives, and my guess I'd have more people bombing my others stories as well.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Both of those terms are made up nonsense and I'm opposed to their use in any form.

Everything is or was at one time a made up term. Hell, just think about the phrase Safe-Space, it didn't exist a decade ago, now it's in almost every state of the union.

 

[RetroFan]

If you can't take all the abuse and downvoting, I have a helpful suggestion: if the story has any exhibitionist elements (and many of these stories do), publish it in E&V. I've done that with "hot wife" stories and had good success, and much less nasty commenting and downvoting. E&V is one of the most tolerant and open-minded category readership groups.

I've never published in E & V, but last year I had a hot wife story I published in Group Sex, as the main theme was the adulterous, mooching wife having an orgy with five of her grumpy husband's 18-year-old students, three guys and two girls who give the husband an especially hard time in his job as a high school teacher. The Group Sex readers generally seemed indifferent to it, and it didn't score highly either.

A Loving Wives story I published earlier this year certainly got low scores and negative comments. They were critical of the characters and their actions in the story, of me for writing an 11 page story and wasting their time, my apparent lack of skill as a writer, and of Donald Trump too, although what Donald Trump had to do with the story (set in Australia) wasn't so easy to determine. But while most of the comments were negative, I was anticipating far worse given the themes in the story such as the wife's gay cousin being the real father of their young son and that it was narrated by the husband's lesbian sister. I've copped nastier comments in Incest/Taboo and even in Fetish.

 

[LAHomedog]

I have a "Slut Wife" story I posted in Exhibitionist and Voyeur that has over 100,000 views and a score of 4.66. Had I posted it in Loving Wives, it might have more views, but it certainly would have a much lower score.

Question: If your name isn't SilkStockingLover how do you get over 100k views?

Meaning no disrespect at all. I've read your stuff and you are a terrific writer, but how does a story get that many views? Do you have a zillion followers? Is it the category? Just curious.

 

[DanDraper]

Incel central in the LW section. Gotta be careful how you write stories there, they pounce on any minor detail to attack the female character in those stories.

What's crazy is that they know this is all fantasy, but comment as if it's real.


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[RetroFan]

Incel central in the LW section. Gotta be careful how you write stories there, they pounce on any minor detail to attack the female character in those stories.

What's crazy is that they know this is all fantasy, but comment as if it's real.


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One way to really annoy some readers (and I've noticed this in other categories too) is to present the female characters in your story as being more intelligent and resourceful and the male characters as bumbling buffoons.

Your observation about people commenting on fictional stories as though they are true is spot on. Last year I wrote an aunt/nephew story in first person from the aunt's perspective. A commenter thought the 8 page story was too long and said so, advising that 'we don't need to hear your life story.' The word 'your' in the comment is quite telling. They didn't say 'we don't need to hear the aunt's life story' or 'Emily's life story' (the name of the aunt), but used the word your, clearly mixing up fantasy and reality a little here.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I've wondered about publishing in LW, with a story that could fit there or EC or Group or E/V.

Is the number of actual readers, ie those who open the story and read rather than simply skimming until their hot button gets hit, much higher in LW? Hateful comments as a proportion of appreciative readers' comments might be worth it, but if the appreciation is hardly more than I might get from EC, why bother?

 

[tomlitilia]

I've wondered about publishing in LW, with a story that could fit there or EC or Group or E/V.

Is the number of actual readers, ie those who open the story and read rather than simply skimming until their hot button gets hit, much higher in LW? Hateful comments as a proportion of appreciative readers' comments might be worth it, but if the appreciation is hardly more than I might get from EC, why bother?

I've never posted in EC, but I can say that I get more appreciative comments when I publish in LW than anywhere else. I am convinced the readers who like stories about wives having sex with not their husband make up the vast majority of LW readership. This is where they look for such stories, as they should.

 

[SimonDoom]

Is the number of actual readers, ie those who open the story and read rather than simply skimming until their hot button gets hit, much higher in LW?

Loving Wives gets the second-most views of any Literotica category, after Incest, or perhaps third, after Illustrated. The drop-off after Loving Wives is big. The numbers bear that out. 8Letters did some useful analysis a while ago in a thread he called, if I'm not mistaken "Story Stats."

It's impossible to know what percentage of those who click on a story actually read it, because those statistics are not available and can only be guessed at, but it is evident that Loving Wives stories have more comments per views than other stories, so I suspect the read:view ratio is no worse than that of any other category.

I agree with Tomlitilia that the best way to maximize readership of a stag-vixen/hotwife/slut wife/cuckold type story is to post it in Loving Wives. You just need a thick enough skin to deal with the crap you'll get.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Loving Wives gets the second-most views of any Literotica category, after Incest, or perhaps third, after Illustrated. The drop-off after Loving Wives is big. The numbers bear that out. 8Letters did some useful analysis a while ago in a thread he called, if I'm not mistaken "Story Stats."

It's impossible to know what percentage of those who click on a story actually read it, because those statistics are not available and can only be guessed at, but it is evident that Loving Wives stories have more comments per views than other stories, so I suspect the read:view ratio is no worse than that of any other category.

I agree with Tomlitilia that the best way to maximize readership of a stag-vixen/hotwife/slut wife/cuckold type story is to post it in Loving Wives. You just need a thick enough skin to deal with the crap you'll get.

^^^^ This. I write a lot of LW stories. Some of each type. My comments are very high, scores, in the beginning very low, depending on whether or not it's a BTB or a RAAC or a Stag/Vixen type story. Scores do eventually come up, but not to the level of my Sci-Fi stories.

 

[Fervid]

If you can't take all the abuse and downvoting, I have a helpful suggestion: if the story has any exhibitionist elements (and many of these stories do), publish it in E&V. I've done that with "hot wife" stories and had good success, and much less nasty commenting and downvoting. E&V is one of the most tolerant and open-minded category readership groups.

There's a similar problem in E&V, if you are at all interested in how your stories are being rated. Any story qualifying for the Hall of Fame (100 votes) and rating above 4.8 is instantly 1-bombed. You have to keep watching to see your post-sweep scores for a true reading.

 

[RejectReality]

There's a similar problem in E&V, if you are at all interested in how your stories are being rated. Any story qualifying for the Hall of Fame (100 votes) and rating above 4.8 is instantly 1-bombed. You have to keep watching to see your post-sweep scores for a true reading.

That's every category. Once you're in toplist territory, you're riding a yo-yo until you have enough votes to weather the storm.

 

[SimonDoom]

There's a similar problem in E&V, if you are at all interested in how your stories are being rated. Any story qualifying for the Hall of Fame (100 votes) and rating above 4.8 is instantly 1-bombed. You have to keep watching to see your post-sweep scores for a true reading.

My attitude about that is that if you have a 4.8, don't sweat it if it gets knocked down to 4.79. That's still a really terrific score. I think people exaggerate the importance of scores. I have stories with high scores that don't get that many views, and I have stories with lower scores that get far more views. The single thing that drives positive reader reaction most is views: getting eyeballs on your story.

Think of it this way:

Scenario 1: Story A has 100,000 views, a score of 4.35, 200 favorites, and 30 positive comments and 20 viciously negative comments.

Scenario 2: Story A -- exactly the same story -- has 10,000 views, a score of 4.85, 20 favorites and 8 comments, all positive.

I don't understand why anyone would pick Scenario 2. In Scenario 1, you've succeeded in reaching out to a far greater audience of readers that appreciate your story.

And note that I am assuming for the sake of argument that the story is the same, so the artistic achievement is exactly the same. My point is to query what sort of reaction authors want to get after controlling for the quality of the story.

 

[tomlitilia]

My attitude about that is that if you have a 4.8, don't sweat it if it gets knocked down to 4.79. That's still a really terrific score. I think people exaggerate the importance of scores. I have stories with high scores that don't get that many views, and I have stories with lower scores that get far more views. The single thing that drives positive reader reaction most is views: getting eyeballs on your story.

Think of it this way:

Scenario 1: Story A has 100,000 views, a score of 4.35, 200 favorites, and 30 positive comments and 20 viciously negative comments.

Scenario 2: Story A -- exactly the same story -- has 10,000 views, a score of 4.85, 20 favorites and 8 comments, all positive.

I don't understand why anyone would pick Scenario 2. In Scenario 1, you've succeeded in reaching out to a far greater audience of readers that appreciate your story.

And note that I am assuming for the sake of argument that the story is the same, so the artistic achievement is exactly the same. My point is to query what sort of reaction authors want to get after controlling for the quality of the story.

Well, scenario 2 is better if the aim is to win a contest, either yearly, monthly or special topic. But other than that, yes, I agree it's more rewarding to know the story found its audience, even if that means it also found its haters.