Church. Why?

[Tryharder62]

It's converted to energy. A star is basically a big H bomb.

https://adogslove.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/bulldog10.jpg

 

[stickygirl]

It's converted to energy. A star is basically a big H bomb.

It's quite interesting that gravity is the force that compresses matter sufficiently for fusion to occur - a H bomb that keeps exploding but not flying apart because with such high mass, the 'weak' force of gravity keeps matter confined.

 

[juttjaw]

It's quite interesting that gravity is the force that compresses matter sufficiently for fusion to occur - a H bomb that keeps exploding but not flying apart because with such high mass, the 'weak' force of gravity keeps matter confined.

Hence, the future of our planet.

 

[pecksniff]

STICKY GIRL!!!!THANKS FOR THE RECIPE

For the cake
225ml ( 8 fl oz) sunflower oil
225 g light muscovado sugar - but I use plain brown
4 medium eggs
225g plain flour
1 1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1 1/2 ground cinnamon, sugarcube size of fresh ginger chopped fine
200g carrots coarsely grated

Icing
120g icing sugar, 100g double cream, 100g butter + teaspoon of vanilla essence

Preheat oven 170c. Grease & line baking trays 8-inch ( I use silicon ones )
Make a mud pie with oil, sugar, eggs, then add flour, soda, spices. Finally stir in carrots and dollop into trays.
I find 35 mins is long enough but it's never played tricks: when it's brown and a poked fork isn't wet, it's done. Don't over cook it so it starts to frazzle.

Pop them out onto a tray to cool.

Icing
Make sure the butter is soft, then slop in the cream and vanilla , getting it as smooth as possible before adding icing sugar ( I do it by hand but a blending thing would be helpful )
A dusting of icing sugar when you've added the icing between the layers makes it pretty.

YW. I'm making one tomorrow for a friend who's calling

Wish we lived close. That sounds delicious.

And that's what church is for!

 

[njlauren]

Well, I'm a biology girl. Life exhibits such complexity that it could not have come from a bang and fallen together randomly. By the way, didn't the big bang theory begin in 1920, by a guy who speculates what happened 15 billion years ago and could not possibly prove it by scientific method?

I agree though, God's creation is good and has been adapting well.

So I am quaint. I kind of like that....attractively unusual. I am not defeated but thanks for being kind. Today really stunk.


TGIF

The person who came up with the big bang theory was name Georges Le Maitre,a Belgian monk. The Pope at the time, Pius XI (not the Nazi pope, that was XII), when he heard of it was so moved he wanted to issue a proclamation that this was proof of the existence of God. Le Maitre talked him out of it, basically saying that the universe was a marvelous place but no one thing could prove the existence of God, that the whole point is you don't prove God, you experience him/her/it.

The complexity argument has ben used by creationists to try and argue that evolution or science cannot explain life. That argument has been blown out of the water time and again, for example creationists argue that human intelligence couldn't have happened by chance, since humans are so unique. What science has shown is higher order intelligence is all around us, and it isn't just primates and dolphins. Creatures as varied as Octopii and small mammals have shown higher order intelligence and emotions.

Birds have proven themselves to have incredibly complex minds, some of the parrots have the congitive ability of a 6 year old, african grays can understand phonetics and comprehend what they are saying, they literally are conversing. Crows are very intelligent, they use tools and can solve complex problems.

The complexity of life actually argues there was no single creator, no god shaping things out of mud, the complexity of life indicates evolution over long periods of time, and over time genetic drift through mutations has created this amazing world of life we see.

There are of course mysteries to life. If the earth had not been hit by a giant asteroid (that formed the moon), it wouldn't have a liquid iron core that spins, creates a magenetic field, and protects the earth from most cosmic radiation. If there wasn't a rather interesting ratio called the golden mean with the exact value it has, life wouldn't of happened. If the earth was further from the sun or closer than it is, likely life if it existed would be primitive life living in the deep oceans.

Evolution itself could theoretically be guided. The rise of man involved a lot of intermediate steps, something caused what was once a sloth to the primate we are. Something drove early homonids to climb out of the trees and walk on the earth. In the pre cambrian extinction, when 90% of the life on earth died, if the wrong species died and another one lived, human beings wouldn't be here. If that asteroid hadn't of hit the earth 65 million years ago that caused the rise of mammals, it is possible that birds would be the dominant intelligent species on the earth (birds were already evolving away from the class of dinosaurs they came from when that asteroid hit).

I am not saying that evolution didn't happen via random natural selection, I am saying that it is possble that evolutionary steps potentially could have had help.

 

[pecksniff]

The complexity argument has ben used by creationists to try and argue that evolution or science cannot explain life. That argument has been blown out of the water time and again, for example creationists argue that human intelligence couldn't have happened by chance, since humans are so unique. What science has shown is higher order intelligence is all around us, and it isn't just primates and dolphins. Creatures as varied as Octopii and small mammals have shown higher order intelligence and emotions.

Birds have proven themselves to have incredibly complex minds, some of the parrots have the congitive ability of a 6 year old, african grays can understand phonetics and comprehend what they are saying, they literally are conversing. Crows are very intelligent, they use tools and can solve complex problems.

If anything ever tempts me to believe in God, it is music -- that is, the human capacity to create and appreciate music. That is unique to our species, it has no real parallel in other species' instinctive songs -- and, there is no apparent evolutionary advantage to it, nothing about it that enhances the chances of differential reproductive success. It may be that music is a divine thing, and we alone are made near enough to God's image to share in it.

Of course, music has been called "the brandy of the damned" -- not "the brandy of the saved."

 

[pecksniff]

Evolution itself could theoretically be guided. The rise of man involved a lot of intermediate steps, something caused what was once a sloth to the primate we are. Something drove early homonids to climb out of the trees and walk on the earth. In the pre cambrian extinction, when 90% of the life on earth died, if the wrong species died and another one lived, human beings wouldn't be here. If that asteroid hadn't of hit the earth 65 million years ago that caused the rise of mammals, it is possible that birds would be the dominant intelligent species on the earth (birds were already evolving away from the class of dinosaurs they came from when that asteroid hit).

I am not saying that evolution didn't happen via random natural selection, I am saying that it is possble that evolutionary steps potentially could have had help.

Of course, what is guiding evolution on this planet needn't be God as such, it could be the sufficiently advanced aliens of 2001: A Space Odyssey. (Cue Richard Strauss' "Also Sprach Zarathustra" -- which got the title from one of Nietzsche's books, which seems appropriate since Nietzsche was always writing about "the superman," and we see something like it at the end of the movie.)

 

[Tryharder62]

The person who came up with the big bang theory was name Georges Le Maitre,a Belgian monk. The Pope at the time, Pius XI (not the Nazi pope, that was XII), when he heard of it was so moved he wanted to issue a proclamation that this was proof of the existence of God. Le Maitre talked him out of it, basically saying that the universe was a marvelous place but no one thing could prove the existence of God, that the whole point is you don't prove God, you experience him/her/it.

The complexity argument has ben used by creationists to try and argue that evolution or science cannot explain life. That argument has been blown out of the water time and again, for example creationists argue that human intelligence couldn't have happened by chance, since humans are so unique. What science has shown is higher order intelligence is all around us, and it isn't just primates and dolphins. Creatures as varied as Octopii and small mammals have shown higher order intelligence and emotions.

Birds have proven themselves to have incredibly complex minds, some of the parrots have the congitive ability of a 6 year old, african grays can understand phonetics and comprehend what they are saying, they literally are conversing. Crows are very intelligent, they use tools and can solve complex problems.

The complexity of life actually argues there was no single creator, no god shaping things out of mud, the complexity of life indicates evolution over long periods of time, and over time genetic drift through mutations has created this amazing world of life we see.

There are of course mysteries to life. If the earth had not been hit by a giant asteroid (that formed the moon), it wouldn't have a liquid iron core that spins, creates a magenetic field, and protects the earth from most cosmic radiation. If there wasn't a rather interesting ratio called the golden mean with the exact value it has, life wouldn't of happened. If the earth was further from the sun or closer than it is, likely life if it existed would be primitive life living in the deep oceans.

Evolution itself could theoretically be guided. The rise of man involved a lot of intermediate steps, something caused what was once a sloth to the primate we are. Something drove early homonids to climb out of the trees and walk on the earth. In the pre cambrian extinction, when 90% of the life on earth died, if the wrong species died and another one lived, human beings wouldn't be here. If that asteroid hadn't of hit the earth 65 million years ago that caused the rise of mammals, it is possible that birds would be the dominant intelligent species on the earth (birds were already evolving away from the class of dinosaurs they came from when that asteroid hit).

I am not saying that evolution didn't happen via random natural selection, I am saying that it is possble that evolutionary steps potentially could have had help.

I did know who came up with the big bang theory. Crazy isn't it.

Let me ask you this: If the big bang theory isn't random (made, done, happening, or chosen without conscious decision.) Then who or what decided it?

I just think that scientists working on speciation need to develop a universal criteria in which to say that a species has changed to another species. Right now the evidence that I know of consists of a bacteria that turned into a..... bacteria and a finch that turned into a...... finch. If you look at it the scientists studying the finch really, they just "felt" the finch changed enough to be a new species. I think both of them adapted. Like the fish born with eyes that could see who started to live in caves and now have eyes but they do not function. They cannot see. I'm open to what they come up with.

There is no denying we have close ties to some species even without science. I love the video of Robin Williams interacting with the gorilla. This one is so touching.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B8TqcRABRs

I just wish I could get people to look at Jesus without all the pre-conceived notions. He lived. He is mentioned in almost every major religion. It really isn't a debate if Jesus was a man. The question is was he a diety.
https://religionfacts.com/charts/jesus-world-religions

 

[pecksniff]

Let me ask you this: If the big bang theory isn't random (made, done, happening, or chosen without conscious decision.) Then who or what decided it?

The theory says nothing about that, it only tracks what happened afterward.

 

[pecksniff]

I just wish I could get people to look at Jesus without all the pre-conceived notions. He lived. He is mentioned in almost every major religion.

No, only in Christianity and Islam.

And, there's the Church of the SubGenius, which has The Fightin' Jesus!

 

[Lazaran]

I did know who came up with the big bang theory. Crazy isn't it.

Let me ask you this: If the big bang theory isn't random (made, done, happening, or chosen without conscious decision.) Then who or what decided it?

I just think that scientists working on speciation need to develop a universal criteria in which to say that a species has changed to another species. Right now the evidence that I know of consists of a bacteria that turned into a..... bacteria and a finch that turned into a...... finch. If you look at it the scientists studying the finch really, they just "felt" the finch changed enough to be a new species. I think both of them adapted. Like the fish born with eyes that could see who started to live in caves and now have eyes but they do not function. They cannot see. I'm open to what they come up with.

There is no denying we have close ties to some species even without science. I love the video of Robin Williams interacting with the gorilla. This one is so touching.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B8TqcRABRs

I just wish I could get people to look at Jesus without all the pre-conceived notions. He lived. He is mentioned in almost every major religion. It really isn't a debate if Jesus was a man. The question is was he a diety.
https://religionfacts.com/charts/jesus-world-religions

After this thread you're going to be able to give some amazing blow jobs. Because you've had your teeth kicked in so many times that all you have left is puffy lips and gums.

*chuckles*

 

[Tryharder62]

After this thread you're going to be able to give some amazing blow jobs. Because you've had your teeth kicked in so many times that all you have left is puffy lips and gums.

*chuckles*

You gotta quit the drinking and drugs man.

 

[Tryharder62]

No, only in Christianity and Islam.

And, there's the Church of the SubGenius, which has The Fightin' Jesus!

You didn't press my link. Yes, there had to be a Jesus for them to have such pleasure in mocking him. To each his own.

 

[stickygirl]

I did know who came up with the big bang theory. Crazy isn't it.

Let me ask you this: If the big bang theory isn't random (made, done, happening, or chosen without conscious decision.) Then who or what decided it?

God, or the great lizard, or fairies. Where science ends thar be dragons and scientists are the first to admit "We just don't know"... so yea could be God, but that's based on 'we don't know'.

I just think that scientists working on speciation need to develop a universal criteria in which to say that a species has changed to another species. Right now the evidence that I know of consists of a bacteria that turned into a..... bacteria and a finch that turned into a...... finch. If you look at it the scientists studying the finch really, they just "felt" the finch changed enough to be a new species. I think both of them adapted. Like the fish born with eyes that could see who started to live in caves and now have eyes but they do not function. They cannot see. I'm open to what they come up with.

And Covid 19 is showing how evolution works in the every day world - no need to look at finches in the Galapagos for that. Random mutations, most of which fail or make no significant change. Delta variant currently more infectious but might be less deadly.
Evolution is cans of beer being stacked up randomly. There's more than one way to stack them without them falling over, but many more ways they fall over.

There is no denying we have close ties to some species even without science. I love the video of Robin Williams interacting with the gorilla. This one is so touching.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B8TqcRABRs

Of course but be careful about projecting our emotions and social habits onto other species or else you'll think your dog understands you when it tips its head to one side and is simply unable to form words to reply.

I just wish I could get people to look at Jesus without all the pre-conceived notions. He lived. He is mentioned in almost every major religion. It really isn't a debate if Jesus was a man. The question is was he a diety.
https://religionfacts.com/charts/jesus-world-religions

Who said Jesus was a deity? Did he? We're all the children of God was his message, "father why hast thou forsaken me?" he complained in an old version of the Bible. I say that kind of thing most weeks and it's about the missing bus.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I didn't create Jesus Christ. Most can concur that He lived and died on the cross. What people disagree with is whether or not he was divine.

Make generalizations much.

The hoax is that someone is telling you that they know for a fact that you are going to be judged by an invisible Santa Claus at the moment of your death and either be roasted in a fire or granted eternal paradise. And then they tell you to put money in the collection plate.

Another hoax is that you will be judged but get gardens and grapeyards; and young full-breasted maidens of equal age; and a full cup of wine (and 72 virgins or else be roasted in fire - So you better do the letter of what Allah says.

Same side of the Abrahamic coin and the same con.

 

[stickygirl]

This is my sixth reincarnation

 

[Tryharder62]

God, or the great lizard, or fairies. Where science ends thar be dragons and scientists are the first to admit "We just don't know"... so yea could be God, but that's based on 'we don't know'.

And Covid 19 is showing how evolution works in the every day world - no need to look at finches in the Galapagos for that. Random mutations, most of which fail or make no significant change. Delta variant currently more infectious but might be less deadly.
Evolution is cans of beer being stacked up randomly. There's more than one way to stack them without them falling over, but many more ways they fall over.

Of course but be careful about projecting our emotions and social habits onto other species or else you'll think your dog understands you when it tips its head to one side and is simply unable to form words to reply.

Who said Jesus was a deity? Did he? We're all the children of God was his message, "father why hast thou forsaken me?" he complained in an old version of the Bible. I say that kind of thing most weeks and it's about the missing bus.

This is my sixth reincarnation

I don't agree that scientists are the first to say I don't know. Covid strains are adaptation not mutation. The survival of the fittest. Jesus died because he was claiming to be God and it was a political threat. The Bible still says that Jesus said "Father why has though forsaken me." He knew the plan and his part in it. JOHN 10:18 says that Jesus gave his life willingly. He said those words because when he had the full weight of all our sins he felt that separation from God that we would have had to if Jesus had not died on the cross. Jesus was fully man and fully God. He has been through anything we have and understands. Also David said those words in the old testament psalms. Jesus' last words when he died were , "It is finished" The plan happened just as it should have. Whatever life you are on I wish you well.

 

[Tryharder62]

The hoax is that someone is telling you that they know for a fact that you are going to be judged by an invisible Santa Claus at the moment of your death and either be roasted in a fire or granted eternal paradise. And then they tell you to put money in the collection plate.

Another hoax is that you will be judged but get gardens and grapeyards; and young full-breasted maidens of equal age; and a full cup of wine (and 72 virgins or else be roasted in fire - So you better do the letter of what Allah says.

Same side of the Abrahamic coin and the same con.

At the time of our death we will get what we want. We don't have to do what anyone else wants us to do. If you believe in God and what Jesus did on the cross you can be with him. If you don't believe in God, you don't have to be with him. If you don't believe in heaven or hell why worry.

You can ask Muslims about the rest. Also you better be nicer to me or Santa won't bring you anything.

 

[pecksniff]

The question is was he a diety.

He didn't think so. When the rich man said, "Good master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus replied, "Wherefore callest thou me good? One there is who is good." I.e., not him.

 

[Tryharder62]

He didn't think so. When the rich man said, "Good master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus replied, "Wherefore callest thou me good? One there is who is good." I.e., not him.

This whole interaction is investigating who the rich young man thought Jesus was. Only God was ever called good by Jewish people. Was the rich young man acknowledging him as God? He never says not me.

 

[Lazaran]

At the time of our death we will get what we want. We don't have to do what anyone else wants us to do. If you believe in God and what Jesus did on the cross you can be with him. If you don't believe in God, you don't have to be with him. If you don't believe in heaven or hell why worry.

You can ask Muslims about the rest. Also you better be nicer to me or Santa won't bring you anything.

Non-responsive and childish.

Typical religious zealot.

*nods*

 

[BoyNextDoor]

At the time of our death we will get what we want. We don't have to do what anyone else wants us to do. If you believe in God and what Jesus did on the cross you can be with him. If you don't believe in God, you don't have to be with him. If you don't believe in heaven or hell why worry.

You can ask Muslims about the rest. Also you better be nicer to me or Santa won't bring you anything.

So you are saying you know what happens when you die. Got it.

I am telling you that is not the case, as a matter of fact. You have no idea what awaits just like everyone else.

And using that lie is the hoax.

 

[pecksniff]

What I find most offensive about Christianity is that it places value on faith. You can't get more wrongheaded than that. Faith is a vice, not a virtue.

 

[butters]

in all fairness to tryharder, i completely missed the 'Adaptation' she meant, i.e natural selection creating certain changes

having said that, though, adaptation is the primary mechanism of evolution

interesting child psychological studies have shown a natural cognitive bias in beliefs by very young children that things are a) there to serve a purpose (promiscuous teleology), and b) there exists an innate core that is ultimately unchangeable (psychological essentialism); these studies show that these beliefs are not limited to any specific religion or cultural influence, being as prevalent in secular as non-secular arenas. They also indicate that these biases are separate and somewhat fragmentary in 5 year olds but are coalesced by the age of 10.
Keleman's and Evans' studies: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15327647jcd0601_2

the older the child gets without learning the scientific evidence of evolution, the more entrenched these beliefs become, and this lends itself to informing how the growing person views their world. it hardens as they grow, till we even see some educators, politicians, lawmakers, even some doctors and nurses whose understanding of evolution is basically seriously flawed.

the good news is that if the basis of evolution is taught in schools to children as young as 5 years old (rather than leaving it till they're 14 or so when it has to fight all these preformed/solidified biases), the children not only retain the information but use it to apply to their understanding of their daily environments and the world.

the greatest threat to the human population is ignorance. ignorance can be addressed, with evidence-based fact and observable examples.

i'm not saying faith hasn't a place in our world: too many rely on it to control their behaviour-patterns and to draw comfort. i'm just saying faith shouldn't inform how we teach scientific truths to our kids, and there are many many people who don't find they need to rely on religious beliefs to have support and comfort in their lives.

 

[Tryharder62]

So you are saying you know what happens when you die. Got it.

I am telling you that is not the case, as a matter of fact. You have no idea what awaits just like everyone else.

And using that lie is the hoax.

I thought I was giving the Christian perspective. Ok, tell me what happens.