Incest -- what's the appeal?

[MindYaBitness]

Freud stated clearly that Oedipus himself did not have that complex.

But the name was too appropriate not to use.

He may have been hinting that if you want to bang your mom that you should probably go ahead and gouge your eyes out.

 

[LargoKitt]

'Motherfucker' is rarely a compliment. "She was raped by her dad," just about always gets gasps. But it is fascinating the range of relationships that turn people on. If you have experienced involuntary incest, from someone you otherwise love and trust, or need for support, the effect in terms of how you feel about yourself can have big long-term consequences: Choosing abusive mates because you feel too 'dirty' for good ones. Hours of expensive therapy or time spent inside a bottle or a needle. "Do you ever have suicidal ideation"? "Um, of course, doesn't everybody?" OTOH, incest is 'frequent', if not 'normal'. The number of women who have had 'innappropriate sexual advances' from family members is huge. But, ironically, I tip my hat to the men who live with their fantasies about family members who first got them hot. Same goes for gals. Enjoy the playground in your head. Just don't pass it along IRL.

 

[MindYaBitness]

'Motherfucker' is rarely a compliment. "She was raped by her dad," just about always gets gasps. But it is fascinating the range of relationships that turn people on. If you have experienced involuntary incest, from someone you otherwise love and trust, or need for support, the effect in terms of how you feel about yourself can have big long-term consequences: Choosing abusive mates because you feel too 'dirty' for good ones. Hours of expensive therapy or time spent inside a bottle or a needle. "Do you ever have suicidal ideation"? "Um, of course, doesn't everybody?" OTOH, incest is 'frequent', if not 'normal'. The number of women who have had 'innappropriate sexual advances' from family members is huge. But, ironically, I tip my hat to the men who live with their fantasies about family members who first got them hot. Same goes for gals. Enjoy the playground in your head. Just don't pass it along IRL.

Show me incest between consenting adults who do not live together, and have no power dynamics at play, and you'll see just how uncommon it is. Your comment of "The number of women who have had innappropriate sexual advances' from family members is huge" just means that men are creeping on women the way they do in the rest of their life, and even family is not a safe place girl/women to avoid advances?

 

[LargoKitt]

He may have been hinting that if you want to bang your mom that you should probably go ahead and gouge your eyes out.

Freud was saying that men who feel like banging their mom's are pretty darn common. Often hard for a human to know where the 'love urge' ends and the 'sexual urge begins' especially for little ones. He probably recognized that for those whose mom's did bang them, (Remember it usually happens that way when someone is under age) the self-loathing is huge and society socially castrates (two round balls, get it?) someone who crosses that line. Curiously, further study of Freud's female patients determined that many had 'hysteria' and 'Electra complexes' because they had been sexually exploited by a relative. And then there are boys that have been raped by their fathers, and girls by their mothers (Yes it happens--Sybil) No handy myths for those.

 

[LargoKitt]

Show me incest between consenting adults who do not live together, and have no power dynamics at play, and you'll see just how uncommon it is. Your comment of "The number of women who have had innappropriate sexual advances' from family members is huge" just means that men are creeping on women the way they do in the rest of their life, and even family is not a safe place girl/women to avoid advances?

"even family is not a safe place girl/women to avoid advances?" Statistically, most sexual abuse is from family members.

 

[MindYaBitness]

"even family is not a safe place girl/women to avoid advances?" Statistically, most sexual abuse is from family members.

I'm well aware. I was raised by psychologist, and my spouse was a detective for a decade. As a result I can tell you the classism & misogyny that allowed a label of "hysteria" on girls rather than publicly out their predator fathers & brothers, and the regurgitate the stats on not only family abuse, but down to which cultures in our country tolerate & hide it. Like I said earlier, I cannot suspend my unbelief to even get through a story on here to try to understand why anyone would want to perpetuate the delusion that it's always consensual.

 

[Wilson23]

Curiously, further study of Freud's female patients determined that many had 'hysteria'

Which was never a real thing. It means "wandering uterus" -- doctors once thought a uterus could move around the body and that would cause trouble. But in fact a woman's uterus stays fixed in place between her hips from birth to death (or to hysterectomy). "Hysteria" really meant "being-a-woman disease," it was the standard diagnosis for any female patient of even slightly unusual emotions.

 

[Abeona1]

I thought it was more to do with power play.