Selfish and cowardish England in European Super League football

[gxnn]

First everybody agrees that it is a very bad performance of England or even the UK to withdraw from the EU, because it seems it cannot get the benefit from a big family as it wishes and when there is trouble and things you do not like, then you want to leave, as soon as possible, that is obviously very selfish and irresponsible, even if it is not a case of a country but simply for a human being, it is very unacceptable.

Now it is the European Super League, it is very obvious a big project that the 12 big football clubs (six of them are based in England) want to redefine the world of football and reshuffle the sphere of influence, but now when the real deal comes, both the European and world governing bodies of football are giving pressure to this new organization, and these six starting English clubs are the first to get out...Again it is very impressive...Can England behave like a (real) man? We are watching you.

 

[Lazaran]

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Boy you sure do try to stir up trouble.

Fortunately you're obvious about it.

Fucking troll.

 

[KeithD]

First everybody agrees

I stopped reading here because there's absolutely nothing that "everyone agrees" on.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

First everybody agrees that it is a very bad performance of England or even the UK to withdraw from the EU, because it seems it cannot get the benefit from a big family as it wishes and when there is trouble and things you do not like, then you want to leave, as soon as possible, that is obviously very selfish and irresponsible, even if it is not a case of a country but simply for a human being, it is very unacceptable.

Now it is the European Super League, it is very obvious a big project that the 12 big football clubs (six of them are based in England) want to redefine the world of football and reshuffle the sphere of influence, but now when the real deal comes, both the European and world governing bodies of football are giving pressure to this new organization, and these six starting English clubs are the first to get out...Again it is very impressive...Can England behave like a (real) man? We are watching you.

European Super League: All six Premier League teams withdraw from competition

 

[oggbashan]

England? The European super league idea is NOT English. It was devised by the millionaire club owners who are mainly foreigners and appears the project is now dead.

As for the EU? The democratic vote was to leave. That is the UK electorate's choice and since Brexit, the EU has shown what a fuck-up it is. Yes, it would be better to be in a European trading bloc - that is what the UK joined, and the EU is NOT that anymore.

Other countries' electorates are getting more annoyed with the EU and in some there is a sizeable minority, possibly even a majority, to leave too.

The EU is trying to make life as difficult as possible for the UK to punish the UK for daring to leave, and to deter other countries from leaving too. Even in France, one of the major supporters of the EU, many people are pissed off.

 

[WillJ8787]

You all know it is Mr.Troll.

Look at the location....South China, near Vietnam.

Someone is trying to bait everyone.

 

[oggbashan]

The OP is a Chinese government troll.

What about China's breach of international agreements on Hong King? They promised One Country; Two systems and have broken every promise they made.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

The world is watching china abuse human rights. Fuck china! May all their dogs taste like shit.

 

[gxnn]

Haha, haha, somebody feels uneasy.They are not your dads or mums, take it easy.

Everybody is a term used to give you some idea only, like "the people" or "human being" is something you know whom or what. If you are too hair-splitting, next time, you should stop saying "Hi, everybody!"

I am just a nobody to be here for fun, so do not say I am a paid agent of a certain government or things like that, or like the other guy, each time what he can say is "fuck XXX" and "Fuck YYY", as if he used to be a porn star, but even in real life, I am afraid he is just a cuckold, checking the webpage while swallowing the cum of the guy who is fucking his wife from behind. Show us your heroic dick if you are so liking fuck.

 

[gxnn]

The OP is a Chinese government troll.

What about China's breach of international agreements on Hong King? They promised One Country; Two systems and have broken every promise they made.

Technically, Biden can disallow what Trump did, right?
You want the promise honored, you should go to contact the one who gave you the promise.
George Washington and his comrades said the constitution should be like that, but why do you guys try to amend it from time to time? Are you unhappy with him?

 

[gxnn]

The world is watching china abuse human rights. Fuck china! May all their dogs taste like shit.

The five-eye alliance has now missed one eye. New Zealand has withdrawn from the clique.
You are NOT the world, OK? Not even half of the world, haha.

 

[oggbashan]

Yo cannot vote to change anything in your country. You are slaves.

 

[DeYaKen]

Just for the record, the European Superleague had nothing to do with the EU or even the European governing body for football, EUFA. It was not even Pan European, only clubs from three countries signed up to it, England, Spain and Italy.

The idea was to create a European competition in which every one of the founding members was guaranteed a place for the next 22 years. In other words a guaranteed income stream for the owners of said clubs. This goes against the principles that have governed football since leagues were invented. Our current system, The Champion's League is dependent entirely on merit, Only the top four clubs from each member country can play in it. This means that clubs like, Manchester United, that are big names but have had a long dry spell were cut off from the revenue from Champions league competition. It also meant that lesser clubs (in terms of how rich they are), like Leicester City get the chance to play in the Champions League and get the income from those matches.

The reason for it's collapse is that the players and coaches were all against it and were ver vocal about it. The fans would like to think it was them that won the day but it was really the fear of losing their top players that made the difference.

The best news clip from the whole fiasco was a film of large groups of fans outside the Chelsea ground Yelling
WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE.
We KNOW WHAT YOU ARE.
GREEDY GREEDY BASTARDS.
WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE.
summed it up quite nicely.

 

[Funit]

The owners of these clubs attempted to create for themselves an elite closed shop similar to some American sports where there is no relegation or promotion. As far as I'm concerned they should have been free to do that but the consequences should be that they cannot partake in the Premiere League, F A cup and Champions League. Some had suggested that their players should be barred from international competition but I don't agree with that, it's not their players that wanted this Super league.

 

[oggbashan]

The owners of these clubs attempted to create for themselves an elite closed shop similar to some American sports where there is no relegation or promotion. As far as I'm concerned they should have been free to do that but the consequences should be that they cannot partake in the Premiere League, F A cup and Champions League. Some had suggested that their players should be barred from international competition but I don't agree with that, it's not their players that wanted this Super league.

Some players had also indicated that they would have quit their current clubs if the proposal had gone ahead.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Stupid little chinaman, pushing his commie bullshit. They are such silly little people.

 

[Sean]

Some players had also indicated that they would have quit their current clubs if the proposal had gone ahead.

The ESL clubs would never have attracted a top player again. Every footballer wants to play for his or her country. None of them would sign for a club that would get them barred from the World Cup or the Euros.

#GlazersOut

 

[Wrong Element]

The owners of these clubs attempted to create for themselves an elite closed shop similar to some American sports where there is no relegation or promotion. As far as I'm concerned they should have been free to do that but the consequences should be that they cannot partake in the Premiere League, F A cup and Champions League. Some had suggested that their players should be barred from international competition but I don't agree with that, it's not their players that wanted this Super league.

As something of an outsider (I'm generally aware of what's going on in European soccer but I'm not emotionally invested), it likewise struck me how much this Super League was an attempt to bring an American-ish model to Europe. Owning a pro franchise in the U.S. is a perpetual license to print money, in large part because there's no fear of relegation. To people like the Glazers, whose NFL team has generally been pretty terrible (2021 being a major exception), being able to lock in membership at the top of European football regardless of performance must seem like the natural order of things.

I do find the cultural differences interesting, because while I think Americans who follow things closely are generally in sympathy with what seems to be the majority of European fans, it's also true that Americans would hate if any major domestic pro sports league was similar in any way to, say, the Premier League.

 

[Sean]

As something of an outsider (I'm generally aware of what's going on in European soccer but I'm not emotionally invested), it likewise struck me how much this Super League was an attempt to bring an American-ish model to Europe. Owning a pro franchise in the U.S. is a perpetual license to print money, in large part because there's no fear of relegation. To people like the Glazers, whose NFL team has generally been pretty terrible (2021 being a major exception), being able to lock in membership at the top of European football regardless of performance must seem like the natural order of things.

I do find the cultural differences interesting, because while I think Americans who follow things closely are generally in sympathy with what seems to be the majority of European fans, it's also true that Americans would hate if any major domestic pro sports league was similar in any way to, say, the Premier League.

This season's Premier League, the relegation battle is far more interesting than what's going on at the top.

 

[DeYaKen]

As something of an outsider (I'm generally aware of what's going on in European soccer but I'm not emotionally invested), it likewise struck me how much this Super League was an attempt to bring an American-ish model to Europe. Owning a pro franchise in the U.S. is a perpetual license to print money, in large part because there's no fear of relegation. To people like the Glazers, whose NFL team has generally been pretty terrible (2021 being a major exception), being able to lock in membership at the top of European football regardless of performance must seem like the natural order of things.

I do find the cultural differences interesting, because while I think Americans who follow things closely are generally in sympathy with what seems to be the majority of European fans, it's also true that Americans would hate if any major domestic pro sports league was similar in any way to, say, the Premier League.

The important thing for most fans is that their team should have a chance of playing at the highest level if they are good enough. The ESL wouldn't allow that since the fifteen founding teams would have had a guaranteed place, so there would be very little space for other teams.

It's interesting that you mention the Glazer family as their team, Manchester United, was the prime mover, in England, for the ESL. Their man on the board Ed Woodward has now resigned.

Germany,France and the Netherlands never took part because they have different laws as to who can and cannot own sports teams. In Germany, 51% of the shares in a club must be owned by fans. This idea is gaining popularity in Britain. If you look at world cup and European cup results it would seem that the German model is the most successful. That sort of thing couldn't happen in the USA, where I'm sure it would be dismissed as socialism.