"Jewish Genius," by Charles Murray

[JohnEngelman]

Commentary April 2007

As soon as Jewish children born under legal emancipation had time to grow to adulthood, they started appearing in the first ranks of the arts and sciences. During the four decades from 1830 to 1870, when the first Jews to live under emancipation reached their forties, 16 significant Jewish figures appear. In the next four decades, from 1870 to 1910, the number jumps to 40. During the next four decades, 1910–1950, despite the contemporaneous devastation of European Jewry, the number of significant figures almost triples, to 114.

To get a sense of the density of accomplishment these numbers represent, I will focus on 1870 onward, after legal emancipation had been achieved throughout Central and Western Europe. How does the actual number of significant figures compare to what would be expected given the Jewish proportion of the European and North American population? From 1870 to 1950, Jewish representation in literature was four times the number one would expect. In music, five times. In the visual arts, five times. In biology, eight times. In chemistry, six times. In physics, nine times. In mathematics, twelve times. In philosophy, fourteen times.

Disproportionate Jewish accomplishment in the arts and sciences continues to this day. My inventories end with 1950, but many other measures are available, of which the best known is the Nobel Prize. In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/charles-murray/jewish-genius/

 

[ll74]

Do you have an opinion on this ?

 

[JohnEngelman]

I have admired Professor Richard Herrnstein ever since September 1971 when he had an article published in the Atlantic that was entitled "IQ." I found the article fascinating, and convincing. It introduced ideas he was later to combine with Charles Murray in The Bell Curve, which was published in 1994.

I have read The Bell Curve, and I agree with it, except for two matters, which are unimportant to the central thrust of the book. First, Herrnstein and Murray argue that even in low skill, low paying jobs people with high IQs are more productive. I think the concept of overqualified is appropriate here. I suspect that an intelligent person in a low skill, low wage job who lacks an obvious way to get anything better, is likely to be bitter about his circumstances in life. This bitterness is likely to influence the way he behaves toward his boss, his coworkers, and the customers of his company.

Second, The Bell Curve claims that an IQ test is the best single way of picking the best candidate for any job. If I was the manager of a computer shop that used C++ in a Unix environment, and I had a choice between an applicant with an IQ of 120, who knew both, and an applicant with an IQ of 140, who knew neither, I would hire the applicant with the IQ of 120. I would need to train the applicant with an IQ of 140, and I would not have the time.

Other than that, I found The Bell Curve to be convincing, I have read "Jewish Genius" several times, and I agree with all of it.

 

[LeahWill]

Commentary April 2007

As soon as Jewish children born under legal emancipation had time to grow to adulthood, they started appearing in the first ranks of the arts and sciences. During the four decades from 1830 to 1870, when the first Jews to live under emancipation reached their forties, 16 significant Jewish figures appear. In the next four decades, from 1870 to 1910, the number jumps to 40. During the next four decades, 1910–1950, despite the contemporaneous devastation of European Jewry, the number of significant figures almost triples, to 114.

To get a sense of the density of accomplishment these numbers represent, I will focus on 1870 onward, after legal emancipation had been achieved throughout Central and Western Europe. How does the actual number of significant figures compare to what would be expected given the Jewish proportion of the European and North American population? From 1870 to 1950, Jewish representation in literature was four times the number one would expect. In music, five times. In the visual arts, five times. In biology, eight times. In chemistry, six times. In physics, nine times. In mathematics, twelve times. In philosophy, fourteen times.

Disproportionate Jewish accomplishment in the arts and sciences continues to this day. My inventories end with 1950, but many other measures are available, of which the best known is the Nobel Prize. In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/charles-murray/jewish-genius/

"So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math."

68% of Nobel prizes in the 21st Century have been won by non-Jews?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Do you have an opinion on this ?

Of course I agree. The facts speak for themselves.

 

[coati]

Charles Murray is a darling of the white nationalist movement. Read the critiques of his works that are summarized by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Note that the Orange Pig also obsesses about IQ scores and places a great deal of emphasis on his own alleged "genius" status. Murray's work at the American Enterprise Institute is currently being used by white nationalists to advance a new definition of a "master race", based on linking IQ scores with various racial and ethnic groups.

 

[Hel_Books]

Charles Murray is a darling of the white nationalist movement. Read the critiques of his works that are summarized by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Note that the Orange Pig also obsesses about IQ scores and places a great deal of emphasis on his own alleged "genius" status. Murray's work at the American Enterprise Institute is currently being used by white nationalists to advance a new definition of a "master race", based on linking IQ scores with various racial and ethnic groups.

See Stephen Jay Gould on the fallacies of Murray and Herrnstein.

 

[wallstreetguy]

Charles Murray is a darling of the white nationalist movement. Read the critiques of his works that are summarized by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Note that the Orange Pig also obsesses about IQ scores and places a great deal of emphasis on his own alleged "genius" status. Murray's work at the American Enterprise Institute is currently being used by white nationalists to advance a new definition of a "master race", based on linking IQ scores with various racial and ethnic groups.

So he is a Nazi who thinks Jews are really smart? Is he a Klansman who admires black cooking?

 

[Hel_Books]

coati said:
Charles Murray is a darling of the white nationalist movement. Read the critiques of his works that are summarized by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Note that the Orange Pig also obsesses about IQ scores and places a great deal of emphasis on his own alleged "genius" status. Murray's work at the American Enterprise Institute is currently being used by white nationalists to advance a new definition of a "master race", based on linking IQ scores with various racial and ethnic groups.

So he is a Nazi who thinks Jews are really smart? Is he a Klansman who admires black cooking?

He's one of these scientific racism types. He can't claim that Jews are stupid, what with smart Jews throughout history from Philo of Alexandria to Maimonides to Spinoza to Disraeli giving the lie to any such specious "scientific" proofs. But he can try to claim that black people are lower in intelligence because they didn't write any great philosophical or scientific works in their spare time while living on massa's plantation!

 

[wallstreetguy]

He's one of these scientific racism types. He can't claim that Jews are stupid, what with smart Jews throughout history from Philo of Alexandria to Maimonides to Spinoza to Disraeli giving the lie to any such specious "scientific" proofs. But he can try to claim that black people are lower in intelligence because they didn't write any great philosophical or scientific works in their spare time while living on massa's plantation!

How many did they write since they left? Waiting...

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
He's one of these scientific racism types. He can't claim that Jews are stupid, what with smart Jews throughout history from Philo of Alexandria to Maimonides to Spinoza to Disraeli giving the lie to any such specious "scientific" proofs. But he can try to claim that black people are lower in intelligence because they didn't write any great philosophical or scientific works in their spare time while living on massa's plantation!

How many did they write since they left? Waiting...

So you're seriously going with this "black people are less intelligent than white people" thing? Even though your country made it pretty bloody hard for them to get the most basic education up until quite recently? Watch Hidden Figures and then get back to me, mmmkay?

 

[coati]

So you're seriously going with this "black people are less intelligent than white people" thing? Even though your country made it pretty bloody hard for them to get the most basic education up until quite recently? Watch Hidden Figures and then get back to me, mmmkay?

Yes , wallstreetguy is demonstrating exactly what the SPLC stated about how Murray's writings are being used by white nationalist groups.

Lit's Engleman was flushed out on this issue a long time ago. He now dodges it with the classic line that some of his best friends are black.

Others on this forum continue to assert that certain ethnic or racial groups are "superior" with regard to intelligence.

 

[schism666]

So you're seriously going with this "black people are less intelligent than white people" thing? Even though your country made it pretty bloody hard for them to get the most basic education up until quite recently? Watch Hidden Figures and then get back to me, mmmkay?

that movie rocks

 

[Hel_Books]

Yes , wallstreetguy is demonstrating exactly what the SPLC stated about how Murray's writings are being used by white nationalist groups.

Lit's Engleman was flushed out on this issue a long time ago. He now dodges it with the classic line that some of his best friends are black.

Others on this forum continue to assert that certain ethnic or racial groups are "superior" with regard to intelligence.

It doesn't really matter for the people who have a need to hate. The rich jews are the bankers that are foreclosing on you, the poor blacks are the thugs who are mugging you.

And all the while Donald J. Trump is trying to screw up everything from vaccinations to the Federal Reserve System. But, hey, he's a white protestant (well, at least he sells bibles!) just like them.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
So you're seriously going with this "black people are less intelligent than white people" thing? Even though your country made it pretty bloody hard for them to get the most basic education up until quite recently? Watch Hidden Figures and then get back to me, mmmkay?

that movie rocks

I especially like the scene where the boss finds out they don't have enough time to get their work done because they have to walk halfway across town just to pee because there was no "coloured" toilet in the building!

 

[wallstreetguy]

So you're seriously going with this "black people are less intelligent than white people" thing? Even though your country made it pretty bloody hard for them to get the most basic education up until quite recently? Watch Hidden Figures and then get back to me, mmmkay?

Hidden Figures? That's your counter argument? Six women out of thousands who worked on the program? Good for them, but fuck me, they were an exception.
Go to public school your whole life with black kids, work in a major corporation with DEI hires, and watch conservative blacks on social media talking about ghetto behavior, and then talk to me.
Actually, don't talk to me. I do not want you in my neighborhood either.

 

[wallstreetguy]

Yes , wallstreetguy is demonstrating exactly what the SPLC stated about how Murray's writings are being used by white nationalist groups.

Lit's Engleman was flushed out on this issue a long time ago. He now dodges it with the classic line that some of his best friends are black.

Others on this forum continue to assert that certain ethnic or racial groups are "superior" with regard to intelligence.

SPLC?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I have never seen a real person quote SPLC. It is for MSM only when they try to demonize white people.
You are either a bot or an unpaid intern for SPLC.

 

[JohnEngelman]

that movie rocks

Yes , wallstreetguy is demonstrating exactly what the SPLC stated about how Murray's writings are being used by white nationalist groups.

Lit's Engleman was flushed out on this issue a long time ago. He now dodges it with the classic line that some of his best friends are black.

Others on this forum continue to assert that certain ethnic or racial groups are "superior" with regard to intelligence.

I have known a few blacks I liked. Other blacks have mugged me, robbed me at gunpoint, and nearly murdered me.

The public school system in Washington, DC. spends more per student than nearly every public school system in the fifty states. Washington, DC gets some of the worst test scores in the United States. Why do you think that is?

 

[JohnEngelman]

SPLC?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I have never seen a real person quote SPLC. It is for MSM only when they try to demonize white people.
You are either a bot or an unpaid intern for SPLC.

If the Southern Poverty Law Center lived up to its name it would provide legal assistance for those who cannot afford to hire lawyers. Instead, it tries to suppress open political debate. Too often it succeeds.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Charles Murray is a darling of the white nationalist movement. Read the critiques of his works that are summarized by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Note that the Orange Pig also obsesses about IQ scores and places a great deal of emphasis on his own alleged "genius" status. Murray's work at the American Enterprise Institute is currently being used by white nationalists to advance a new definition of a "master race", based on linking IQ scores with various racial and ethnic groups.

Charles Murray (political scientist)​

​

Murray credits his time in the Peace Corps in Thailand with his lifelong interest in Asia. "There are aspects of Asian culture as it is lived that I still prefer to Western culture, 30 years after I last lived in Thailand," says Murray. "Two of my children are half-Asian. Apart from those personal aspects, I have always thought that the Chinese and Japanese civilizations had elements that represented the apex of human accomplishment in certain domains."[21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(political_scientist)

​

 

[coati]

Oh my, I riled up WallStreetBigot and Eugenicist-Englemann with the mere mention of the SPLC.

It don't take much to flush out the racist posters on Lit.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Oh my, I riled up WallStreetBigot and Eugenicist-Englemann with the mere mention of the SPLC.

It don't take much to flush out the racist posters on Lit.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
So you're seriously going with this "black people are less intelligent than white people" thing? Even though your country made it pretty bloody hard for them to get the most basic education up until quite recently? Watch Hidden Figures and then get back to me, mmmkay?

Hidden Figures? That's your counter argument? Six women out of thousands who worked on the program? Good for them, but fuck me, they were an exception.
Go to public school your whole life with black kids, work in a major corporation with DEI hires, and watch conservative blacks on social media talking about ghetto behavior, and then talk to me.
Actually, don't talk to me. I do not want you in my neighborhood either.

Speaking of public schools (as you did), did you ever consider that the difference in black kids' achievement could be due, not to some inherent evil caused by dark skin, but to the fact that in your country people with dark skin get sent to crummier schools in poorer neighbourhoods? Because white people make sure the tax money goes to schools in white neighbourhoods, of course.

Give them an equal chance and you'll see a lot more "exceptions." Don't believe me? Just consider, say, the statistics on life expectancy. Are dark-skinned people naturally less healthy? Or maybe it has to do with poverty, a crummy health-care system and trigger-happy cops.

Or you can consider all those asian kids getting all those good grades, winning those science scholarships and explain why you think white people are inherently less intelligent than asians.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Speaking of public schools (as you did), did you ever consider that the difference in black kids' achievement could be due, not to some inherent evil caused by dark skin, but to the fact that in your country people with dark skin get sent to crummier schools in poorer neighbourhoods? Because white people make sure the tax money goes to schools in white neighbourhoods, of course.

Give them an equal chance and you'll see a lot more "exceptions." Don't believe me? Just consider, say, the statistics on life expectancy. Are dark-skinned people naturally less healthy? Or maybe it has to do with poverty, a crummy health-care system and trigger-happy cops.

Or you can consider all those asian kids getting all those good grades, winning those science scholarships and explain why you think white people are inherently less intelligent than asians.

The public school system of Washington, DC spends more per student than the public school system of nearly every state. Nevertheless, Washington, DC public schools get some of the lowest test scores. East Asians usually perform well, even in poorly funded public schools, because they have high average IQs.

 

[wallstreetguy]

Speaking of public schools (as you did), did you ever consider that the difference in black kids' achievement could be due, not to some inherent evil caused by dark skin, but to the fact that in your country people with dark skin get sent to crummier schools in poorer neighbourhoods? Because white people make sure the tax money goes to schools in white neighbourhoods, of course.

Give them an equal chance and you'll see a lot more "exceptions." Don't believe me? Just consider, say, the statistics on life expectancy. Are dark-skinned people naturally less healthy? Or maybe it has to do with poverty, a crummy health-care system and trigger-happy cops.

Or you can consider all those asian kids getting all those good grades, winning those science scholarships and explain why you think white people are inherently less intelligent than asians.

TL/DR
Excuses, excuses.
I am glad you hold them to such low expectations. Seriously, it makes me happy.