I'm White but not exactly White

[mayfly13]

I just had an 'Aha' moment.
Some Westerners see me as White but not exactly White. Just like they viewed Eastern Europeans, Greeks and Italians 50 years ago.

I don't hold grudges, many of them engaged in altruistic acts that none of my kind would have.

In saying that, why do people demand that I bash and hate Russians?
They always treated me with kinship, they never viewed me as "white but not exactly White".

 

[Saint Peter]

Why does Fata call you butterbean?

 

[toeskr]

Why does Fata call you butterbean?

Half white, Half black sharpie?

 

[mayfly13]

Half white, Half black sharpie?

I'm more interested as to why Russians have such an undeserved bad reputation.

They have one of the richest cultures in the world, they have the best minds in the world mathematicians, chess players and such.
They don't judge people based on race (they are multiethnic, there's no such thing as racism in Russia).

 

[oggbashan]

I'm more interested as to why Russians have such an undeserved bad reputation.

They have one of the richest cultures in the world, they have the best minds in the world mathematicians, chess players and such.
They don't judge people based on race (they are multiethnic, there's no such thing as racism in Russia).

That is NOT the experience of black university students in Russia. There are multiple claims of harassment in the street by so-called Russian patriots.

 

[Brains_N_Boobs]

Why does Fata call you butterbean?

Will the real Butterbean please stand up.


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[Sean]

They don't judge people based on race (they are multiethnic, there's no such thing as racism in Russia).

This is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen.

 

[MartinHeidegger]

I'm White but not exactly White

But does the carpet match the drapes?

 

[RoryN]

there's no such thing as racism in Russia.

.....

 

[thør]

Oh, you listened to NPR on Sunday?

 

[fgarvb1]

OK.

I'll bite...

How White are you?

Not that I care... and whats up with the Russian thingy.

 

[oggbashan]

I'm white. My extended family isn't.

 

[Sean]

Oh, you listened to NPR on Sunday?

Which would be interesting considering he claims to be in the antipodes.

 

[lovetoread]

Why does Fata call you butterbean?

is this hashtag?

did they move to russia?

 

[Saint Peter]

is this hashtag?

did they move to russia?

smells familiar

 

[Emerson40]

is this hashtag?

did they move to russia?

Yes.

No.

smells familiar

Bingo bang-go!

 

[oggbashan]

Add to racially motivated assaults in the UK, racial gangs operating as drug dealers (the Maltese connection), pickpockets and shoplifters, and all those who have avoided deportation after criminal acts because of their 'human rights'.

It is not all one-sided.

The Trump effect has impacted on the UK too, encouraging antagonism to other races.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Pakis aren't white.

 

[mayfly13]

That is NOT the experience of black university students in Russia. There are multiple claims of harassment in the street by so-called Russian patriots.

This is Anglo-saxon blue-eyed racist-against East Europeans
sneaky BULLSHIT, ogg.

You KNOW that Blacks, unfortunately got the short end of the stick and are often harassed in many countries: England, Greece, Italy, Middle Eastern countries, South and East Asian countries, East European countries and so on.
It's a harsh reality and an important & interesting topic in itself.

So you made this half equivalency to distract from the fact that East Europeans are seen, by many blue-eyed Brits., Australians, NZers, Canadians & as not really White, thus inferior to us - race.
Despite the fact that we register as Caucasians on census-es.

Me (I look 2/3 White, 1/3 Aboriginal or Maori despite being of pure EEuropean ethnicity) was NEVER looked down upon by the most blue-eyed Russians I met,based on my skin tone.
I was seen as one of THEM, someone they can relate to because we all read Maslow, Solzhenitsyn and stuff.

I love lay Russians! And despise their fascist leaders.
I can't stand superior lay-Brits! And l0ve their system and govts

 

[mayfly13]

There are two types of blue-eyed White supremacists:

The vitriolic, unsophisticated blue-eyed racists.
And the PC blue-eyed racists.

The later use the "I bleed for teh Blacks!"
as a means to assert their racial superiority
-- by claiming the moral ground over non-African races they see as inferior to them.

 

[islandman]

They don't judge people based on race (they are multiethnic, there's no such thing as racism in Russia).

As blanket statements go, that's incorrect.

 

[Champakian]

There are two types of blue-eyed White supremacists:

The vitriolic, unsophisticated blue-eyed racists.
And the PC blue-eyed racists.

The later use the "I bleed for teh Blacks!"
as a means to assert their racial superiority
-- by claiming the moral ground over non-African races they see as inferior to them.

Exactly, the soft bigotry of low expectation.

Those poor people, if not for me...

It's the same mentality that used to proclaim that "those people" were
better off on the plantation than they were in Africa, or
better off on the reservation...

... better off in camps for their own protection.

 

[oggbashan]

This is Anglo-saxon blue-eyed racist-against East Europeans
sneaky BULLSHIT, ogg.

No. It was just a rebuttal of the statement about Russia. Russia, like many countries., has embedded racism, even against people who are also Russian but the wrong colour.

The UK isn't exempt, not just racism by colour, but by country of origin. Poles, Spaniards, Bulgarians etc, all experience racism, daily - not from most but from a minority of assholes. The attitude - They're foreign - we don't want them here - is far too common and had been made worse by the Brexit vote. Despite leaving the EU, the UK is STILL European and has many links to Europe.

 

[bellisarius]

No. It was just a rebuttal of the statement about Russia. Russia, like many countries., has embedded racism, even against people who are also Russian but the wrong colour.

The UK isn't exempt, not just racism by colour, but by country of origin. Poles, Spaniards, Bulgarians etc, all experience racism, daily - not from most but from a minority of assholes. The attitude - They're foreign - we don't want them here - is far too common and had been made worse by the Brexit vote. Despite leaving the EU, the UK is STILL European and has many links to Europe.

Well now, here's a classic mismash of terms. Nothing personal here Ogg, you aren't the only one.

A great deal of that which you are ascribing to 'racism' is just plain old prejudice. And in many cases it's not even prejudice, just preference. Both racism and prejudice have a common component in their definition............"unreasonable." If a rational reason for a persons attitude towards another group exists it fits neither the definition of 'racism' or 'prejudice.'

Example; "I want noting to do with any Aztec."

"You're a racist!"

"No, it's that whole human sacrifice thing they've got going on there."

Is denigrating the Aztec over human sacrifices "unreasonable?"

Another;

"I want all illegals deported."

"You're a racist."

"No, I just want all immigrants to follow the laws of my nation."

Is expecting immigrants (legal implied) to follow the law "unreasonable?" Obviously in this case there are some that would argue it is "unreasonable." But exactly what is it that is unreasonable, the law of the individual that expects the law to be followed? I would argue that it is the law that that one group believes to be unreasonable and that being the case there is room for reasoned discussion as to how to restructure the law to make it reasonable.

Racism is unacceptable under any circumstance. The notion that one is superior to another by right of birth is as absurd as it is unreasonable. I accept that there are racists out there, always have been always will be. It is unlikely that that propensity on the part of some will ever be expunged from the human race. But more often than not we are actually talking about prejudice and once that becomes part of the discussion then we have to start talking about reasonability.

Cultural differences abound and there will always be one culture that finds the practices of another unacceptable and/or distasteful. Are they practicing 'prejudice' or merely 'preference? If I choose to join one organization over another am I being prejudiced or merely expressing a preference?

The issue is complex and simplistic one liners ascribing racism and/or prejudice without examination are, well, stupid.

 

[Champakian]

Well said.