Old-fashioned values disappearing

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I am reading Kurt Andersen’s most recent book right now (“Evil Geniuses”), and I find it amazing what can be learned from his sociological treatment of history. Most particularly of the 1960s and 70s, as a preparation of the real serious downfall of America, and eventually of the whole world, which started with the reign of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.

And I began wondering, how much manners and what is perceived as “common decency” has begun deteriorating, starting in the mid-1960s. Driven initially by the credibility gap surrounding Vietnam, and later on extending to almost anything voiced by authorities and experts.

I used to see the cultural revolution initiated then as mostly positive, and in many ways it has been. But unfortunately, revolutions of any kind are never entirely positive only. Now I see one of the main mantras of those days as having driven horrible consequences: “I do my thing and you do your thing”.

Look at today’s political culture, and compare that with how the 1960s began, with JFK’s inauguration speech.

Now it may not be easy to accept all this as one of the drivers for ghosting and other forms of bad manners. Which have become so widely accepted by most anybody here, on the Personals forum. I bet had Lit been in existence in 1960 already, there would be a lot less of that. Anybody care to comment?
 
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It starts when you begin to overlook good manners. Any time you quit hearing Sir and Mam the end is pretty much in sight...
—Cormac McCarthy, No Country for Old Men
 
Lol...linking a "credibility gap during the Vietnam War" to ghosting? You were ghosted because you want to see more than there is.
 
You really need to define "Old Fashion Values" before this topic has legs. I can say that a thousand years ago there were old fashioned values. Women were used to keep the huts warm and churn out babies.

We can look to the eighteen hundreds old west, when you hung a person for steeling a horse. Can you imagine hanging car thieves in the town square? We'd have a lot less theft, but that would be uncivilized, lol.

I could ramble on, but I'm not big into debates anymore.
 
I totally agree people seem to have lost there sence of humour and requirement for fun :D:D

No they haven’t. They’ve likely lost YOUR sense of humor.

This whole ‘things used to be better when....’ is great when you’re a white christian male. Old fashioned values in place for fear of not conforming to them costing you a job or ability to live somewhere isn’t a value.

Manners haven’t deteriorated - people staying in their places has and people who benefitted from the old system see that as the downfall. When other peoples right threaten the status quo, people in. Power get uncomfortable. A lot of what you might perceive as rudeness could be the ‘perpetrators’ as now participating in society as everyone else has to them for decades.
 
Lol...linking a "credibility gap during the Vietnam War" to ghosting? You were ghosted because you want to see more than there is.

dribble, I am so glad to run into people now and then, who can explain everything on earth in simple terms. You know for sure why I get ghosted, and I am sure you also know exactly, who invented the Corona virus.

I vaguely recall some passage from the bible: blessed are those light in brain power, or something like that.
 
You really need to define "Old Fashion Values" before this topic has legs. I can say that a thousand years ago there were old fashioned values. Women were used to keep the huts warm and churn out babies.

We can look to the eighteen hundreds old west, when you hung a person for steeling a horse. Can you imagine hanging car thieves in the town square? We'd have a lot less theft, but that would be uncivilized, lol.

I could ramble on, but I'm not big into debates anymore.

deacon, when one is unwilling to read the entire text of a post, one will always be able to concoct a non-sensical argument against it.

But I know reading everything is hard these days. Selective reading is much faster, and we have countless examples in high places, for this becoming the favorite modus operandi.
 
deacon, when one is unwilling to read the entire text of a post, one will always be able to concoct a non-sensical argument against it.

But I know reading everything is hard these days. Selective reading is much faster, and we have countless examples in high places, for this becoming the favorite modus operandi.

I'm sorry, didn't you just bemoan the loss of old fashioned values and decorum?
<gets whiplash>
 
deacon, when one is unwilling to read the entire text of a post, one will always be able to concoct a non-sensical argument against it.

But I know reading everything is hard these days. Selective reading is much faster, and we have countless examples in high places, for this becoming the favorite modus operandi.

Oh I read it all, trust me. I'm glad you can be so easily influenced by one man's writing.

Now, the flip side of me. You're a fucking clown looking to start a fight. You asked for a discussion, but I think what you really wanted was for all of us to act amazed at your insightful regurgitation of another man's thoughts.

Why on earth would you think ghosting is new? Its a new name for an age old bad habit. I'd explain it to you, but I'm way too nonsensical (no hyphen smart guy)

Now you go on iggy for being a waste of bandwidth:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
They ghost you because they don't like your values?

Are you saying that you don't have old fashioned values and that makes people ghost you? Or your personality is fine and there is something wrong with people that dump you? :confused:
 
Oh I read it all, trust me. I'm glad you can be so easily influenced by one man's writing.

Now, the flip side of me. You're a fucking clown looking to start a fight. You asked for a discussion, but I think what you really wanted was for all of us to act amazed at your insightful regurgitation of another man's thoughts.

Why on earth would you think ghosting is new? Its a new name for an age old bad habit. I'd explain it to you, but I'm way too nonsensical (no hyphen smart guy)

Now you go on iggy for being a waste of bandwidth:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i had tried to find a benign reason for you coming up with your stupid argument, when I assumed you had failed to read all of my post. But when you now tell us, you did read it all, your problem seems to go deeper. you are incapable of understanding what other people say.

I did mention the positive effects of what happened in the 1960, man with tomatoes on your eyes! Or a clogged-up brain. But contrary to other simpletons, I am able to draw some understanding out of books other people write. Because I allow anybody to educate me about something I had not understood before.

You - on the other hand - with your opinions on reading books, (a suposed "regurgitation") apparently never read anything from your list of unapproved authors. And learning something new seems way beyond your capabilities.

Much easier to bash anybody who says or writes something you never heard of before.
 
You really need to define "Old Fashion Values" before this topic has legs. I can say that a thousand years ago there were old fashioned values. Women were used to keep the huts warm and churn out babies.

We can look to the eighteen hundreds old west, when you hung a person for steeling a horse. Can you imagine hanging car thieves in the town square? We'd have a lot less theft, but that would be uncivilized, lol.

I could ramble on, but I'm not big into debates anymore.
I have to agree with this. There should be parameters for the discussion.
 
What sucks is people making up silly words when good old fashioned ones do just as well.
 
There are plenty to go around for everybody to have a different one.
 
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