Where to categorise uncle/niece role play?

[CeeDeeBee]

Can I ask for some advice please?

I’ve written a story to publish soon about a 30-something woman finding an older man from an adult site to fulfil one of her fantasies - meeting and pretending to be niece and uncle. He touches her sexually in front of his work acquaintances in a bar, before they move into a hotel room. Would Erotic Couplings be the best category as it’s only roleplaying at incest and only half of it is in public for exhibitionism?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It should most likely be placed in Incest /Taboo.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's going to get a weak response in Incest/taboo because its a role play, that category deals with 'real' taboo.

If there is an actual age gap between the two, I'd say mature because its older/younger. Otherwise erotic couplings which is the if you're unsure put it here catch all categoy.

One quick warning, make sure you state their real ages early on, and note in a disclaimer it is role play, or you could fall victim to the 'under age' rule if its one of the occasions the person vetting the stories is paying attention or giving a shit.

 

[sirhugs]

If the moderators think it belongs in Incest/Taboo thy will put it there, regardless of what category you pick.

Personally, I would submit it as Incest/Taboo mostly because there is no other obvious fit, and it is therefore as likely to get down voted anywhere else as in that category. In Incest/Taboo, at least the complaints might be that it is 'weak tea', not that people with aversion to anything incest adjacent had their delicate sensibilities shocked.

 

[SimonDoom]

I would suggest putting it in Mature. I think Lovecraft is correct that many incest readers will react badly if it is not real incest -- they will not be turned on and they will feel cheated and downvote you.

Mature is a popular category -- not as popular as incest, but probably with an audience more receptive to your story. If it goes in mature then I would be sure to emphasize the age difference and the buildup to the role play.

 

[CeeDeeBee]

Thanks all, yes, not wanting to mislead readers was a main concern, so I’ll go with Lovecraft and SimonDoom’s suggestion of Mature once I’ve done the final edit this weekend.

It’s clearly stated that she’s a woman in her early 30s and he’s in his mid-60s, and although there’s a bit of pretend-coyness, it’s not the dominating theme of the story, which is actually a woman getting her fantasy fulfilled on her terms.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[lovecraft68]

Thanks all, yes, not wanting to mislead readers was a main concern, so I’ll go with Lovecraft and SimonDoom’s suggestion of Mature once I’ve done the final edit this weekend.

It’s clearly stated that she’s a woman in her early 30s and he’s in his mid-60s, and although there’s a bit of pretend-coyness, it’s not the dominating theme of the story, which is actually a woman getting her fantasy fulfilled on her terms.

Thanks for the advice.

One more word of advice...even though its role play the niece can't act like she's 14 she has to be portrayed as a young adult 18 at least. Otherwise even though its pretend it could be seen by a reader as under age.

 

[KeithD]

Incest/Taboo. I would take it as taboo, because I can't think of any other aspect that was being played by establishing the relationship.

 

[CeeDeeBee]

One more word of advice...even though its role play the niece can't act like she's 14 she has to be portrayed as a young adult 18 at least. Otherwise even though its pretend it could be seen by a reader as under age.

Yes, thank you. There’s no pretence at her being anything other than an adult woman.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Much as I hate to disagree with Simon, I think I/T is the only spot for it. Unless I have misunderstood you, it involves a sexual involvement between niece and uncle, albeit only in fantasy. Yes, Mature would work, as would [distant 3rd place) EC, but incest is a super-sensitive concept for many people and I suspect that even fantasizing anywhere but in I/T about it will bring down a lot of downvotes and complaints.

If you decide elsewhere, I would suggest an upfront warning.

Good luck.

 

[RejectReality]

I say Mature as well. I have a few pseudo stepdaughter/stepson stories there that did very well and drew little criticism from the readership. ( the protagonist never actively engaged in parenting the children who were already teenagers during the marriage. That and the relationship being over is why I consider it pseudo. Naturally, they're over 18 at the time of the story )

The one where she actually calls him 'daddy' during sex did draw couple of tepid "kinda creeped me out" comments, but didn't really affect the numbers.

The readership in Mature doesn't balk when there are genuine previous familial relationships, so I don't know why they would go ballistic over a role-play one. It's certainly going to be ignored and criticized in I/T.

 

[SimonDoom]

Much as I hate to disagree with Simon, I think I/T is the only spot for it. Unless I have misunderstood you, it involves a sexual involvement between niece and uncle, albeit only in fantasy. .

I take my cue on this from Lovecraft, because I think he has the best feel of any author I know here of what really drives the I/T category and what its readers are looking for. He has a long track record to prove it.

I/T readers aren't looking for role play. They want to read about real relatives getting it on. If they don't get that, they will feel cheated.

The OP has to ask himself: what am I really writing and why? What is this story's real focus?

If it is about a 60 year old man and 30 year old woman who engage in role play, that's mature, especially if the story takes pains to emphasize the age difference.

If, on the other hand, the story summarily sets up the 60/30 difference, but then emphasizes the uncle/niece roles, then I think the OP needs to ask: why? Why write an incest story framed as a mature story? What's the point? Why not just write an uncle/niece story?

I'm a big believer in the concept of erotic focus. What's the real focus?

My sense is that this is primarily a mature story with some pseudo-incestuous role play. If that's what the story is, it belongs in Mature. If it's really an incest story but the author doesn't want to write an incest story and instead wants to pretend it's something else, then it's more complicated. These are issues only the author can resolve.

 

[lovecraft68]

I take my cue on this from Lovecraft, because I think he has the best feel of any author I know here of what really drives the I/T category and what its readers are looking for. He has a long track record to prove it.

I/T readers aren't looking for role play. They want to read about real relatives getting it on. If they don't get that, they will feel cheated.

The OP has to ask himself: what am I really writing and why? What is this story's real focus?

If it is about a 60 year old man and 30 year old woman who engage in role play, that's mature, especially if the story takes pains to emphasize the age difference.

If, on the other hand, the story summarily sets up the 60/30 difference, but then emphasizes the uncle/niece roles, then I think the OP needs to ask: why? Why write an incest story framed as a mature story? What's the point? Why not just write an uncle/niece story?

I'm a big believer in the concept of erotic focus. What's the real focus?

My sense is that this is primarily a mature story with some pseudo-incestuous role play. If that's what the story is, it belongs in Mature. If it's really an incest story but the author doesn't want to write an incest story and instead wants to pretend it's something else, then it's more complicated. These are issues only the author can resolve.

And I in turn when there is any doubt lean which ever way Reject Reality is suggesting. He hasn't steered me wrong yet.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Oops. An edit became a double post.

 

[ElectricBlue]

The readership in Mature doesn't balk when there are genuine previous familial relationships, so I don't know why they would go ballistic over a role-play one. It's certainly going to be ignored and criticized in I/T.

Agree this. The age gap alone suggests Mature is the better category and besides, readers in that category are grown up enough to tolerate a multitude of "category broken rules", whereas other categories seemed to be inhabited by many more "but that's not my kink" police.

 

[RejectReality]

The one caveat I'll put on that is that if the role-play is over the top ( constant use of the word uncle or especially niece in dialogue during the sex ) it might be enough to trigger the squick factor of the Mature readership.

You can sort of get away with a 'daddy' here and there because that doesn't necessarily imply an incestuous relationship. It's a trope to the point of the joke where she says "pass me the peas, daddy" at a family dinner and both the father and boyfriend reach for the dish.

Uncle and Aunt are fairly natural speech when including the first name, but too much of it will trigger readers outside the I/T category. Mom, mommy, etc. don't really have the same non-incestuous trope as daddy. Absolute trigger outside I/T. Niece, nephew, brother, sister ( bro and sis are sort of within bounds ) used in dialogue are absolutely jumping up and down on the incestuous kink, because they're not natural ( or at least very common ) when speaking to the person with that relationship. Those are even a little much in I/T, and absolute trigger territory outside the category.

Role-play incest doesn't really have a home on Lit. If that's your kink, then there's a good chance you're going to go a little hard for the readership in any other category, and the I/T readership simply won't latch onto anything that isn't genuine incest. You can get away with some step, in-law, etc. if there's enough family dynamics ( cuckolding Dad seems to be a big turn-on ) but once you get outside the blood nuclear family, you're risking a tepid response.

I honestly wouldn't post any here. I have the option of a tag-based navigation site, and one with separate incest and taboo categories, so I see no need to potentially throw something like that to the wolves here when there are places with appropriate homes for that kind of story elsewhere. I'll brush at the edges with stories like the ones in the first post, but incest role-play is too likely to be outside the squick border, when you're properly servicing the kink.

 

[Abbafan]

I've never come across something that was strictly role play in the taboo category, that I remember. That's not what most people who read the category are looking for, I think.

If you have a story that touches on other categories than the one its placed in, especially if some might be offended, I'd just put a little not about it at the start of the story. I can understand that some might want something to be a little plot twist, but I think it's more important that readers have some idea what they are getting when it comes to things like BDSM and incest related stuff.

 

[BiscuitHammer]

I've never posted in the category, buuuuut...

What about Fetish? It's not actual incest, and as people have pointed out, the Mature fans might have squick tantrums about the incest roleplay.

Am I missing something in proposing Fetish? It seems to fit the bill for the category...

 

[TarnishedPenny]

I've never posted in the category, buuuuut...

What about Fetish? It's not actual incest, and as people have pointed out, the Mature fans might have squick tantrums about the incest roleplay.

Am I missing something in proposing Fetish? It seems to fit the bill for the category...

Now, that's an interesting proposition.

 

[NotWise]

Now, that's an interesting proposition.

I don't think many people read Fetish for uncle/niece roll playing. Hardly anyone reads Mature. Whoever they are they're not friendly to me, but I'd still suggest Mature anyway.

 

[RejectReality]

Mature is easily the #3 category right after Incest and LW. Maybe tied with Anal.

I've only got a couple of stories in Fetish, but one of them is 800 votes/33k views and the other is 1600 votes/198k views, so it's hardly an unpopulated wasteland either.

As to categorizing incest role-play there... It's a viable option. I don't think it would get as many reads as it would in Mature. It could possibly get less blowback, but my direct experience in the category is limited, and my time regularly perusing the feedback portal back in the day didn't establish any major patterns for the category either. That could be because it's something of a grab-bag, and the readership seems to be fragmented. They don't seem to be in competition the way the LW readership is, but the foot folks don't cross over with the shaving folks, etc.

I don't think many people who might be interested would look for it there. There's a fair amount of crossover readership between Mature and Incest, and the story in question is an age-difference story, so I think it's a better fit there. If the role-play is over the top and squicky, Fetish might be a safer choice.

 

[jsmiam]

Can I ask for some advice please?

I’ve written a story to publish soon about a 30-something woman finding an older man from an adult site to fulfil one of her fantasies - meeting and pretending to be niece and uncle. He touches her sexually in front of his work acquaintances in a bar, before they move into a hotel room. Would Erotic Couplings be the best category as it’s only roleplaying at incest and only half of it is in public for exhibitionism?

Also with reference to thoughts from @lovecraft and @simon, I have a taboo-only story that’s not really incest, placed in the incest/taboo category, with a short author note letting people know it’s not classic incest. It did ok by my standards, I wasn’t bombarded with trolls. I had a cousins story a while back too, same situation, also received in an uneventful manner.

Just sharing a personal experience.

 

[Ginlover]

It's kind of sad a story about role playing dynamics cant be placed in BDSM.

The readership is largely female and often romantsis power exchange or authority exchange. But you mention this young woman is actively seeking then playing out her rp fantasy. If you show her confidence and bravery taking that step then the dynamic play with the 'uncle' I think it could be well received there especially if she gives him control once they start the RP. If you turn it on its head and have her as a neice manipulating him into sex then those BDSM female readers wont be happy lol

 

[CeeDeeBee]

Oh gosh, thanks for all the suggestions and debate - I hadn’t checked on here since I last posted on Friday. I submitted it into Mature and it went live a few hours ago (published quicker than my ‘incest’ categorised stories?). 1 favourite, 4.64/11 votes and 809 reads so far. I made sure the description made it clear it was roleplay (A silver-haired stranger fulfills Jess’ roleplay fantasy)...and I now have no idea if it’s in the right category or not .

I think maybe I wrote this for myself rather than a more ‘commercial’ sense of where it fits in? Another lesson learned as a newbie perhaps, we’ll see.

If anyone has time to review, I’d be really interested in your thoughts of whether it’s in the right category or not, and where you would have put it:

https://www.literotica.com/beta/s/hello-uncle

The OP has to ask himself: what am I really writing and why?

Herself

What is this story's real focus? If it is about a 60 year old man and 30 year old woman who engage in role play, that's mature, especially if the story takes pains to emphasize the age difference.

If, on the other hand, the story summarily sets up the 60/30 difference, but then emphasizes the uncle/niece roles, then I think the OP needs to ask: why? Why write an incest story framed as a mature story? What's the point? Why not just write an uncle/niece story?

I'm a big believer in the concept of erotic focus. What's the real focus?

My sense is that this is primarily a mature story with some pseudo-incestuous role play. If that's what the story is, it belongs in Mature. If it's really an incest story but the author doesn't want to write an incest story and instead wants to pretend it's something else, then it's more complicated. These are issues only the author can resolve.

It was based on a fantasy of mine, definitely about pretending in public with an older man - not about an actual ‘uncle/niece’ relationship (which I’ve happily written about in my ‘On The Farm’ incest-categorised series) so I think I’m happy with the Mature category...although the ‘Taboo’ category would have sufficed if it wasn’t entwined with the ‘Incest’, which it doesn’t fit in with because of the roleplay.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's kind of sad a story about role playing dynamics cant be placed in BDSM.

The readership is largely female and often romantsis power exchange or authority exchange. But you mention this young woman is actively seeking then playing out her rp fantasy. If you show her confidence and bravery taking that step then the dynamic play with the 'uncle' I think it could be well received there especially if she gives him control once they start the RP. If you turn it on its head and have her as a neice manipulating him into sex then those BDSM female readers wont be happy lol

Just because its an older man with a younger woman doesn't mean its a power play or authority exchange. If that was the case every mature story with an older man should in BDSM

Just because its Uncle Niece does not mean uncle is using his position or authority to control her. She could be the instigator.

Just because a young woman may have a 'daddy thing' doesn't mean she wants a daddy dom.

Also...being this is a taboo role play...if the uncle does use his authority it is a reminder to anyone who likes taboo or even a taboo role play such as this what incest is in real life and how many uncles have molested their nieces, that reality check is a knee jerk one bomb and nasty comment.

Here's a newsflash about women reading BDSM...not every woman wants to give up power and be a simpering sub. Not every woman romanticizes power exchanges. For those who do that's great, but there are others who don't.

There is no reason the niece has to be yet another simpering cliche who needs to be controlled, maybe she takes the reins, seduces the uncle?

This just shows the trash the category has become where femdom is down votes and trolled and every woman in the category has to become meek and submissive when it comes to sex....or just be raped because that's what half the slop in that lost its way category is these days.

That's what's sad about this.