███████████ Mueller Investigation Results Thread ███████████

[cowslinger64]

Couldn't be his shitty policy moves, right vette?

Here's two. Gotta keep those people outta da military, huh?

SCOTUS Lifts Two Injunctions Against Trump’s Trans Troops Ban—but the Policy Remains Blocked
On Tuesday, by a 5–4 vote, the Supreme Court lifted two injunctions blocking President Donald Trump’s ban on open transgender military service. The move bodes poorly for transgender plaintiffs challenging the policy, indicating that the court’s conservative majority will eventually declare the ban to be constitutional. But it does not allow the Pentagon to begin enforcing the new rules. For now, another nationwide injunction remains in place—though it seems quite likely that it will soon be lifted, as well.

 

[HisArpy]

Just wondering: were any of these folks now magically announcing that the Emoluments Clause does not apply to the president on record as saying this prior to November 2016?


The idea that the Framers had an obsession with the potential for foreign influence on American government, but somehow exempted the president just because, is not serious in any way; and if we didn't have a Republican president at the present time, this would be universally understood.

It's a good argument but yes, before the current political melodrama, there WERE a few instances regarding the emoluments clause.

A recent example is that Obama asked Congress for permission to keep his Nobel prize. Which bodes well for the complainants that the clause includes the President.

OTOH, Washington and a few others kept gifts given to them while they were Prez without consulting Congress and no one seemed to care.


IF I HAD TO CHOOSE whether the clause includes the President or not, I think the examples of those Presidents closest to the Framers (and in some cases WERE the Framers) would be controlling. What the complainants in this case seem to be asserting is that "tradition" is somehow "the law" but when viewed through the lens of history it appears that's not correct.

In any event, the courts will have to decide. Until they do, no one really knows.

 

[Que]

If I did not have him on fake ignore, I I would point out to him that his cut and paste suggests the exact opposite of what he's trying to convey.

 

[Aglaopheme]

First of all, he wasn't LEGALLY required to do anything. The emoluments clause exempts the President.

#ihateitwhenpeooledothat #winning


Ha! Wrong thread.

Tick tock, tick tock. I’m almost done.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Robert Mueller: "As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

 

[bbx56]

^^^Lunatic still pounds sand

 

[zipman]

Robert Mueller: "As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

Congress has no choice but to provide the oversight granted them in the constitution and continue to investigate Trump to determine once and for all if he committed crimes.

And that puts to rest the President's lie that he was exonerated.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

The Us Was Attacked By Trump's Russian Friends

 

[Wrong Element]

Robert Mueller: "As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

Very damning in its own way. He also made the distinction between the presumption of innocence everyone is entitled to, and an affirmative determination of innocence. It's really no change from what's in the report, but having him say it in public is important because cable news can't run footage of a report.

Also, with his constant references to the Justice Department guidelines, he was also saying in so many words that the only constitutional venue for determining guilt or innocence of a president is impeachment.

I still think he should testify publicly before Congress. The idea that in a democracy, it's somehow a sideshow for the American people to hear what the hell is going on strikes me as very elitist.

 

[HisArpy]

Congress has no choice but to provide the oversight granted them in the constitution and continue to investigate Trump to determine once and for all if he committed crimes.

And that puts to rest the President's lie that he was exonerated.

Then Congress needs to get off their collective politically blind asses and go read the Mueller report. Otherwise, what they're doing isn't "oversight" it's abuse of process.

Innocent until proven guilty means that unless there is an indictment or determination Trump committed a crime, he's been exonerated of the allegations made against him.

Or, IOW, unless you can prove it, it ain't so. Mueller specifically said he couldn't make such a determination of guilt and left it to the DOJ to make the final assessment. They said they couldn't find sufficient evidence either.

Guess what that means.

 

[zipman]

Very damning in its own way. He also made the distinction between the presumption of innocence everyone is entitled to, and an affirmative determination of innocence. It's really no change from what's in the report, but having him say it in public is important because cable news can't run footage of a report.

Also, with his constant references to the Justice Department guidelines, he was also saying in so many words that the only constitutional venue for determining guilt or innocence of a president is impeachment.

I still think he should testify publicly before Congress. The idea that in a democracy, it's somehow a sideshow for the American people to hear what the hell is going on strikes me as very elitist.

The republican senate has already said that they are going to do everything they can to make it a short trial if it comes to that so they can exonerate him.

They're a disgrace.

 

[HisArpy]

Also, with his constant references to the Justice Department guidelines, he was also saying in so many words that the only constitutional venue for determining guilt or innocence of a president is impeachment.

Parsing the words to create a narrative which isn't present on the surface of those words still doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Had Mueller had evidence that Trump committed a crime, he would have SAID SO even if he couldn't indict him.

 

[zipman]

Then Congress needs to get off their collective politically blind asses and go read the Mueller report. Otherwise, what they're doing isn't "oversight" it's abuse of process.

Innocent until proven guilty means that unless there is an indictment or determination Trump committed a crime, he's been exonerated of the allegations made against him.

Or, IOW, unless you can prove it, it ain't so. Mueller specifically said he couldn't make such a determination of guilt and left it to the DOJ to make the final assessment. They said they couldn't find sufficient evidence either.

Guess what that means.

LOL, yeah, Trump's hand picked stooge made that assessment. This requires independent oversight.

Mueller's statement also puts to bed the lie that this is a witch hunt.

Congress must use all of it's power to investigate this.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Congress has no choice but to provide the oversight granted them in the constitution and continue to investigate Trump to determine once and for all if he committed crimes.

And that puts to rest the President's lie that he was exonerated.

I think it’s clear that Mueller said Trump has committed crimes. Nothing he said is news, but him actually saying it is. Hopefully, this will light a fire under Congress.

 

[zipman]

I think it’s clear that Mueller said Trump has committed crimes. Nothing he said is news, but him actually saying it is. Hopefully, this will light a fire under Congress.

Exactly. The question remains were they impeachable offenses.

Considering Barr's conduct, which is more to protect the president than to act independently, congress has no choice but to investigate further.

And have the president testify under oath.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Very damning in its own way. He also made the distinction between the presumption of innocence everyone is entitled to, and an affirmative determination of innocence. It's really no change from what's in the report, but having him say it in public is important because cable news can't run footage of a report.

Also, with his constant references to the Justice Department guidelines, he was also saying in so many words that the only constitutional venue for determining guilt or innocence of a president is impeachment.

I still think he should testify publicly before Congress. The idea that in a democracy, it's somehow a sideshow for the American people to hear what the hell is going on strikes me as very elitist.

I agree. He should not be permitted to testify behind closed doors.

 

[HisArpy]

LOL, yeah, Trump's hand picked stooge made that assessment. This requires independent oversight.

Mueller's statement also puts to bed the lie that this is a witch hunt.

Congress must use all of it's power to investigate this.

Fake news. The meme about "hand picked" is sooooo much bullshit. Tell us, since you voted for your representative, are they "hand picked" as well? If so, does that taint their opinions too?

Mueller's REPORT proves it was a witch hunt. Parse all you want to, but the OFFICIAL WORD is that there is insufficient evidence to accuse Trump of committing a crime.

I already commented about Congressional abuse of power.

 

[HisArpy]

I think it’s clear that Mueller said Trump has committed crimes. Nothing he said is news, but him actually saying it is. Hopefully, this will light a fire under Congress.

Mueller SPECIFICALLY SAID that "no American" aided or assisted the Russians. He also said that he was unable to determine whether obstruction actually occurred.

How you get from there to "it's clear that Mueller said Trump committed crimes" is completely baffling to anyone who actually uses their head for more than a hat rack.

 

[Rightguide]

Then Congress needs to get off their collective politically blind asses and go read the Mueller report. Otherwise, what they're doing isn't "oversight" it's abuse of process.

Innocent until proven guilty means that unless there is an indictment or determination Trump committed a crime, he's been exonerated of the allegations made against him.

Or, IOW, unless you can prove it, it ain't so. Mueller specifically said he couldn't make such a determination of guilt and left it to the DOJ to make the final assessment. They said they couldn't find sufficient evidence either.

Guess what that means.

See people like Zip and others would prefer a system where the prosecutor makes an allegation and the poor fucker so charged is automatically found guilty without the due process of judge and jury or the benefit of the Constitution.

 

[Aglaopheme]

And second, the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing. And beyond department policy, we were guided by principles of fairness. It would be unfair to potentially — it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/politics/mueller-transcript.html

 

[Rightguide]

The bottom line to what was said today is that the Democrat narrative was crushed by Mueller saying there's noting more than what is in the report. Also that he isn't going to testify before Congress. He said the report is his testimony, there was no collusion, no obstruction of justice. So tough shit for Schiff, Pelosi, and Nadler.

 

[Rightguide]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/politics/mueller-transcript.html

Yes we know, it's called Impeachment. Tell Pelosi to get right on that.

 

[zipman]

See people like Zip and others would prefer a system where the prosecutor makes an allegation and the poor fucker so charged is automatically found guilty without the due process of judge and jury or the benefit of the Constitution.

LOL, you're such a sad little man, vette.

Why do right wingers always have to make shit up that people never said?

No wonder you love Trump so much, he lies as much you idiots do.

 

[bbx56]

WOW

Niggers still swimming in concrete

#SAD

 

[RoryN]

Thank you, Mueller, for putting lies from deplorables to rest.

This is a great day.