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DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN FOR YOUR SINS?

  • YES

    Votes: 48 16.4%

  • NO

    Votes: 148 50.5%

  • I ALREADY ACCEPTED JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE

    Votes: 62 21.2%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 35 11.9%
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    293
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"Moses supposes his toeses are Roses,
But Moses supposes Erroneously,
Moses he knowses his toeses aren't roses,
As Moses supposes his toeses to be!
Moses supposes his toeses are Roses,
But Moses supposes Erroneously,
A mose is a mose!
A rose is a rose!
A toes a toes!
Hooptie doodie doodle
Moses supposes his toeses are Roses,
But Moses supposes Erroneously,
For Moses he knowses his toeses arent roses,
As Moses supposes his toeses to be!
Moses
(Moses supposes his toeses are roses)
Moses
(Moses supposes erroneously)
Moses
(Moses supposes his toeses are roses)
As Moses supposes his toeses to be!
A Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose is
A rose is for Moses as potent as toeses
Couldn't be a lily or a daphi daphi dilli
It's gotta be a rose cuz it rhymes with mose!
Moses!
Moses!
Moses!
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
The Old Testament was written by many different authors. Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy. Joshua wrote Joshua. David wrote some of it. Solomon wrote some of it. Even so, it all fits together as if it was written by one person because it was all inspired by God. It is the same for the New Testament. All together, I think the entire Bible had about 40 authors, written by the eyewitnesses.
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This statement is entirely predictable from you Xfrodo and almost entirely wrong.

I will deal first with the part you got right and in this comment will only deal with the Old Testament. The OT was inspired by the Hebrews experience of God and their relationship with their deity.

You do not have a scintilla of evidence to support the fantasy that Moses wrote anything at all. He is generally reckoned to have lived sometime between 1450 and 1250 BC yet the oldest writing in the first five books (and in the Deuteronomistic histories) is in a form of Hebrew not used until the late 7th century BC, the time of King Josiah - some 600 to 800 years after Moses death! It would be like finding a new poem by Chaucer but written in modern English - clearly a nonsense.

Genesis clearly responds to some very old traditions but was not finally redacted and written until the fourth/third century BC when the two creation stories in Chapters 1 and 2 were finalized. The clear evidence for this is in the large number of Aramaic (Persian) words used. Aramaic was unknown in Israel for more than a thousand years after Moses. The Hebrews had no experience or knowledge of this language until after their exile to Babylon in 587 BC. Moses would have been a clever guy to anticipate that. (An example - Paradise is a Persian word)

Joshua, David and Solomon did not write anything either. Like Moses it is extremely unlikely that any of them could write at all. I am not saying that Moses was not important, he got the Jews out of trouble and is credited through the ten commandments with giving a sound ethical dimension to Yaweh worship.

Read the attached Wiki article. It is by no means exhaustive but will give you a much sounder appreciation of how the Bible was made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

This is a fairly simple outline but is a good start.:)
 
ishtat said:
This statement is entirely predictable from you Xfrodo and almost entirely wrong.

I will deal first with the part you got right and in this comment will only deal with the Old Testament. The OT was inspired by the Hebrews experience of God and their relationship with their deity.

No, it was actually inspired by God Himself, but it does center on the Jews and particularly their Messiah Christ and how His people came about.

You do not have a scintilla of evidence to support the fantasy that Moses wrote anything at all. He is generally reckoned to have lived sometime between 1450 and 1250 BC yet the oldest writing in the first five books (and in the Deuteronomistic histories) is in a form of Hebrew not used until the late 7th century BC, the time of King Josiah - some 600 to 800 years after Moses death! It would be like finding a new poem by Chaucer but written in modern English - clearly a nonsense.

I have nearly all of the Scholars and Historians that say that Moses wrote these books, so you would be at odds with them. I will believe them that Moses wrote them.

Genesis clearly responds to some very old traditions but was not finally redacted and written until the fourth/third century BC when the two creation stories in Chapters 1 and 2 were finalized. The clear evidence for this is in the large number of Aramaic (Persian) words used. Aramaic was unknown in Israel for more than a thousand years after Moses. The Hebrews had no experience or knowledge of this language until after their exile to Babylon in 587 BC. Moses would have been a clever guy to anticipate that. (An example - Paradise is a Persian word)

That would be inaccurate. Genesis was written about 1500 BC according to the Scholars and Historians. I don't think that Moses wrote in Aramaic. I think only a few of the psalms were written in Aramaic and Moses's writings were written in Hebrew.

Joshua, David and Solomon did not write anything either. Like Moses it is extremely unlikely that any of them could write at all. I am not saying that Moses was not important, he got the Jews out of trouble and is credited through the ten commandments with giving a sound ethical dimension to Yaweh worship.

That's false. Yes they did. It's unfortunate that you are getting your information from faulty sources but it contradicts nearly all of the Scholars and Historians. My advice is that you stop going to twisted Liberals for the facts and go to real Bible scholars.

Read the attached Wiki article. It is by no means exhaustive but will give you a much sounder appreciation of how the Bible was made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

This is a fairly simple outline but is a good start.:)

Interesting that even Wikipedia would support my assertion the authors of the Bible. Not trying to be vindictive, but you are getting your info from the wrong source.
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My response is in bold above.
 
Was kind of surprised to find a thread like this on the site. But the question is much more simple than mankind and church have made it out to be.

The way you get to heaven if by having FAITH, believing in Jesus Christ as your Savior. It's not "how good" vs "how bad" you are, not how many times you have gone to church, it is nothing of your own merit. The ONLY thing that gets someone to heaven if by having FAITH in Christ.

Ephesians 2:8-9 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
 
FAITHandFLESH said:
Was kind of surprised to find a thread like this on the site. But the question is much more simple than mankind and church have made it out to be.

The way you get to heaven if by having FAITH, believing in Jesus Christ as your Savior. It's not "how good" vs "how bad" you are, not how many times you have gone to church, it is nothing of your own merit. The ONLY thing that gets someone to heaven if by having FAITH in Christ.

Ephesians 2:8-9 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
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If you would have read this first post, you would have seen that I clearly stated all of that. Nonetheless you are right.
 
You are not going to heaven

I have no desire to go to heaven and I hate to break it to you but you are not going there either. And your warped ideas in no way represent what the Bible actually says. Take a deeper look.
 
FAITHandFLESH said:
Was kind of surprised to find a thread like this on the site. But the question is much more simple than mankind and church have made it out to be.

The way you get to heaven if by having FAITH, believing in Jesus Christ as your Savior. It's not "how good" vs "how bad" you are, not how many times you have gone to church, it is nothing of your own merit. The ONLY thing that gets someone to heaven if by having FAITH in Christ.

Ephesians 2:8-9 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
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Sure it is.
James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
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Shelly2inme said:
I have no desire to go to heaven and I hate to break it to you but you are not going there either. And your warped ideas in no way represent what the Bible actually says. Take a deeper look.
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Ok, well, I will believe what the Bible actually says rather than you. I take a deeper look every day by reading my Bible. You should try it yourself.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
James was written to JEWS under the Gospel of the Kingdom, Romans was written to Gentiles under the Gospel of Grace. We are under Grace today.
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Different gospels for different people.

Probably different gods, too. Jehovah, Elohim, Yahweh, Abba and Jesus. More than a trinity, I’d say.
 
phrodeau said:
Different gospels for different people.

Probably different gods, too. Jehovah, Elohim, Yahweh, Abba and Jesus. More than a trinity, I’d say.
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No, what it was is that the Jews were to accept their Messiah Jesus Christ, but He hadn't yet died and rose again for our sins, the Gospel of Grace is that Jesus Christ died and rose again for our sins and we need to place our faith in Him for salvation.
 
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