How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[ishtat]

In the last few posts Xfrodo you have declared "I am not a Catholic" and "I am not a Lutheran." But given your total lack of compassion for the loss to these Christians I am beginning to suspect you are not a Christian of any kind.

After all, Jesus of Nazareth showed compassion to, or healed Greeks, Syro-Phonecians, Lepers, Samaritans; he included Prostitutes and Tax collectors in his entourage. Yet you seem unable to even express sympathy to your fellow Christians. I wonder what JC would think .

And as you mentioned doctrine, never forget that 99% of the doctrines you espouse you share with the fourth century Catholic, Augustine of Hippo.

 

[RocketLauncher]

Dear God,

https://youtu.be/p554R-Jq43A

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

In the last few posts Xfrodo you have declared "I am not a Catholic" and "I am not a Lutheran." But given your total lack of compassion for the loss to these Christians I am beginning to suspect you are not a Christian of any kind.

After all, Jesus of Nazareth showed compassion to, or healed Greeks, Syro-Phonecians, Lepers, Samaritans; he included Prostitutes and Tax collectors in his entourage. Yet you seem unable to even express sympathy to your fellow Christians. I wonder what JC would think .

And as you mentioned doctrine, never forget that 99% of the doctrines you espouse you share with the fourth century Catholic, Augustine of Hippo.

Ok, well you are free to think what you like. I wasn't aware that I had a lack of compassion for their loss of their great building. What exactly did I say to give you that false impression? I also wasn't aware that you don't consider Catholics and Lutherans Christian, even though they do have some false doctrine. So, is that problem that you have due to the fact that I pointed out their false doctrine and that makes me somehow hateful? Because correcting someone who is in err is the loving thing to do, not the hateful thing to do.

No, my doctrine doesn't come from the 4th Century, it comes from the 1st Century first hand writings of the Bible.

So, my question for you would be, have you placed your faith and trust in Christ and His Sacrifice? And why or why not?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

WHY AN EMPTY TOMB IS SUCH A BIG DEAL
Bill Federer recounts important people who knew their 'Redeemer liveth'

Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/why-an-empty-tomb-is-such-a-big-deal/#rsSzA8XUQiIpw0BW.99

 

[phrodeau]

The only ones who claimed to witness the resurrected Jesus were the “chosen” ones. Nobody else recognized him. They made quite a point of it in Acts.

 

[OldJourno]

"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and, if true, of infinite importance. The one thing it cannot be is moderately important." —C.S. Lewis

 

[Tryharder62]

Dear God,

https://youtu.be/p554R-Jq43A

The difference between us. He tears down the "tree" taking everyone with him in his anger. Be angry or do something!!!!

Dear God,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_RjndG0IX8

Just as a comment about Notre Dame. I had the pleasure of singing in a youth choir there in 1984. The acoustics were unreal and I will cherish the memory of singing there. A treasure was lost and although it will be rebuilt I believe it will never quite be the same.

 

[RocketLauncher]

The difference between us. He tears down the "tree" taking everyone with him in his anger. Be angry or do something!!!!

Dear God,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_RjndG0IX8

Just as a comment about Notre Dame. I had the pleasure of singing in a youth choir there in 1984. The acoustics were unreal and I will cherish the memory of singing there. A treasure was lost and although it will be rebuilt I believe it will never quite be the same.

Hey beautiful! Loving this Spring weather.
I love your optimism, a delightful foil to my pessimism.
Hope you had a lovely Easter, Passover, Spring Equinox.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The only ones who claimed to witness the resurrected Jesus were the “chosen” ones. Nobody else recognized him. They made quite a point of it in Acts.

Actually thousands saw Him after the resurrection. That's why there was an explosion of Christianity after the resurrection. Had there been no resurrection, Christianity would have died then and there.

 

[phrodeau]

Actually thousands saw Him after the resurrection. That's why there was an explosion of Christianity after the resurrection. Had there been no resurrection, Christianity would have died then and there.

Acts 10:41 says that Jesus didn't let everybody see who he was. Mark 16:12 has Jesus appearing in another form. In Galatians 1, Paul confesses that Jesus did not appear to him in human form. Paul's cite of "more than five hundred" in 1 Corinthians 15 is highly suspect, since he also adds in twelve disciples when there were only eleven at the time.

 

[ishtat]

Ok, well you are free to think what you like. I wasn't aware that I had a lack of compassion for their loss of their great building. What exactly did I say to give you that false impression? I also wasn't aware that you don't consider Catholics and Lutherans Christian, even though they do have some false doctrine. So, is that problem that you have due to the fact that I pointed out their false doctrine and that makes me somehow hateful? Because correcting someone who is in err is the loving thing to do, not the hateful thing to do.

No, my doctrine doesn't come from the 4th Century, it comes from the 1st Century first hand writings of the Bible.

So, my question for you would be, have you placed your faith and trust in Christ and His Sacrifice? And why or why not?

I don't criticize you for lack of compassion for a building I criticize you for your lack of compassion for people, for human beings, the kind of compassion that JC showed and which I have never once seen from you.

You never will be a christian Xfrodo so long as you insist that only you and similarly minded people are always right. Your religion is intolerant of any difference of opinion and is supported by a woefully inadequate education.

If you relied on a first century new testament the nearest you could get to it would be Marcion's list, which excluded 3 of the 4 Gospels and most of the later writings attributed to Paul. Interestingly you would be very short of a resurrection story without the later additions. (You may remember that many early churchmen wanted to exclude the Gospel of John because it is so obviously Gnostic in tone. However, it was included eventually precisely because it was so unequivocal on Christianity's main sales pitch to potential converts - the myth of resurrection).

The Canon wasn't completed until the fourth century and whether you like it or not modern Protestant doctrine relies very heavily on the Catholic Augustine. Calvin and Augustine have more in common than Augustine does with modern Catholicism. My major point is that rather than point out what you think are other christian's "errors" you should look for where you agree (and they should do the same) I have an advantage in this respect because I can read Greek which gives one a startling insight as to how inconsistent/anomolous different editions of the very early writings were.

You may still correct these people's "errors" - provided of course that you accept it with equal tolerance when they point out your mistakes .

I am not a christian but I believe that JC was a great moral exemplar and teacher. His Sermon on the Mount is one of the greatest of all summaries of ethical and moral teachings. However, I do not believe he was either the son of God or is God. The resurrection myth is commonplace in many ancient religions and the one in the NT is as much nonsense as the Egyptian, Sumerian and numerous others which came before it.

Finally Xfrodo you started your comment with the phrase "OK you are free to think what you like." The idea of freewill and freedom of thought/expression was first enunciated, not by a Christian, not by a Jew, nor even an ancient pagan, but but by the monotheist Zoroaster 1000 years before JC. and even before Elijah and Yaweh were having their stoush with the priests of Baal. Yet today we still retain that element in our beliefs, in a similar way to which modern Protestants owe so much of their doctrine to Catholic predecessors.

As an aside if you are interested, you can find the heirs of Zoroaster in the NT - if you know where to look!

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Acts 10:41 says that Jesus didn't let everybody see who he was. Mark 16:12 has Jesus appearing in another form. In Galatians 1, Paul confesses that Jesus did not appear to him in human form. Paul's cite of "more than five hundred" in 1 Corinthians 15 is highly suspect, since he also adds in twelve disciples when there were only eleven at the time.

1) There were thousands who saw Him, but obviously there were people alive at that time who didn't see Him.

2) It says He appeared in another form but before and after that, He just appeared as a man. So, not sure what your point is.

3) It doesn't say that Jesus did not appear to Paul in human form. It says that the gospel that He preached was not after man.

4) The 500 that Paul cites doesn't include woman and children, so it was actually around 1500 or more people. When they cited crowds back then, they didn't include woman and children. So, if it's minus 1, I'm not sure what your point is. It's a lot of people.

 

[heathergives]

In the last few posts Xfrodo you have declared "I am not a Catholic" and "I am not a Lutheran." But given your total lack of compassion for the loss to these Christians I am beginning to suspect you are not a Christian of any kind.

After all, Jesus of Nazareth showed compassion to, or healed Greeks, Syro-Phonecians, Lepers, Samaritans; he included Prostitutes and Tax collectors in his entourage. Yet you seem unable to even express sympathy to your fellow Christians. I wonder what JC would think .

And as you mentioned doctrine, never forget that 99% of the doctrines you espouse you share with the fourth century Catholic, Augustine of Hippo.

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.VkuVBflpT9SSU_vIqECoUAAAAA&w=194&h=190&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7

 

[phrodeau]

1) There were thousands who saw Him, but obviously there were people alive at that time who didn't see Him.

2) It says He appeared in another form but before and after that, He just appeared as a man. So, not sure what your point is.

3) It doesn't say that Jesus did not appear to Paul in human form. It says that the gospel that He preached was not after man.

4) The 500 that Paul cites doesn't include woman and children, so it was actually around 1500 or more people. When they cited crowds back then, they didn't include woman and children. So, if it's minus 1, I'm not sure what your point is. It's a lot of people.

If women don’t count as witnesses, what about Mary Magdalene and the other women with their cockamamie story of angels in an empty tomb?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

If women don’t count as witnesses, what about Mary Magdalene and the other women with their cockamamie story of angels in an empty tomb?

Women do count as witnesses, I am just saying that they didn't count women and children in those days. That 500 number is the number of MEN present, not counting woman and children. The empty tomb happened just as the Bible says and History shows.

 

[Super-Surprise]

Shut.

 

[Super-Surprise]

Down!

 

[adrina]

Now!!

 

[colddiesel]

Women do count as witnesses, I am just saying that they didn't count women and children in those days. That 500 number is the number of MEN present, not counting woman and children. The empty tomb happened just as the Bible says and History shows.

So you are saying that for the first 1900 years of christianity women did not count as witnesses but they do count now. Problem with that is that if Mary Magdalene's witness was of no account (John 20) your resurrection claptrap is just that - claptrap.

My take is that the writer of John wrote down somewhere between 60 and 90 years after the event that he had been told that a reformed whore (MM) had a good yarn about an empty tomb. And this was a great marketing idea to herd gullible converts into the fold.

Ever thought that it was much more likely that MM had put in another overnight professional shift and was looking for excuses for being out late - much more plausible.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Down!

That's what people say who can't win a debate on the facts. Silence those with whom they disagree.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So you are saying that for the first 1900 years of christianity women did not count as witnesses but they do count now. Problem with that is that if Mary Magdalene's witness was of no account (John 20) your resurrection claptrap is just that - claptrap.

My take is that the writer of John wrote down somewhere between 60 and 90 years after the event that he had been told that a reformed whore (MM) had a good yarn about an empty tomb. And this was a great marketing idea to herd gullible converts into the fold.

Ever thought that it was much more likely that MM had put in another overnight professional shift and was looking for excuses for being out late - much more plausible.

I didn't say that for 1900 years Christian women didn't count as witnesses. I said that when crowds were counted in that culture and at that time, only men were counted. Don't get mad at me, get mad at the entire world at that time. I never said that mary's witness didn't count. The last I checked, she wasn't a crowd of people. It's all 100% true, so you can think what you want.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

'CENSORS OF RELIGIOUS SPEECH' – WILL PRAYER BECOME A MOCKERY?
Bill Federer recounts history of Senate chaplains

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/censors-of-religious-speech-will-prayer-become-a-mockery/

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

:d:d:d

 

[colddiesel]

I didn't say that for 1900 years Christian women didn't count as witnesses. I said that when crowds were counted in that culture and at that time, only men were counted. Don't get mad at me, get mad at the entire world at that time. I never said that mary's witness didn't count. The last I checked, she wasn't a crowd of people. It's all 100% true, so you can think what you want.

Well I dunno where you got your information about crowd counting from. The only counting they talked about in the NT was when Joseph carted his missus of to Bethlehem for the Census. he wouldn't have taken her if she wasn't gonna be counted.

Basically you gotta accept the sensible view that 90% of the NT is a complete fairy tale - total bollocks made up by a bunch of smart Jews to market their new religion, to gullible folk - folk like you xfrodo.

And the biggest nonsense of all is the Resurrection tosh; did they really think that the re-vamped Osiris myth they pinched from the Egyptians was gonna fool anybody. But then I suppose it had worked for the Egyptians for 2,500 years, before JC or even the old bloke Yaweh were even thought of.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You get to Heaven when you honor Allah or Buddha

False. It's only through faith Jesus Christ and His sacrifice alone. He proved who He was through His miracles, fulfilled prophecy, death and resurrection, Secular History supports the Biblical account, the eyewitness writings of the Bible support Him and much more.