TANSTAAFL (socialization of healthcare)

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Whether you like it or not, healthcare is not a right and it is not free. You cannot socialize the cost of healthcare forever. You will eventually go broke.



Sooner or later a choice will have to be made.



A choice will have to be made between price rationing or death panels.


Don't like that choice? Don't blame me. Reality and nature will insist.





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"If something can't go on forever...
it won't."​
-Herb Stein​








http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/cpichart2019.png



Original article by Mark J. Perry, Ph.D.
(excerpted and edited by trysail)




"...During the most recent 21-year period from January 1998 to December 2018, the CPI for All Items increased by exactly 56.0% and the chart displays the relative price increases over that time period for 14 selected consumer goods and services, and for average hourly earnings (wages). Seven of those goods and services have increased more than average inflation, led by hospital services (+211%), college tuition (+183.8%), and college textbooks (+183.6%). Average wages have also increased more than average inflation since January 1998, by 80.2%, indicating an increase in real wages over the last several decades.

The other seven price series have declined since January 1998, led by TVs (-97%), toys (-74%), software (-68%) and cell phone service (-53%). The CPI series for new cars, household furnishings (furniture, appliances, window coverings, lamps, dishes, etc.) and clothing have remained relatively flat for the last 21 years while average prices have increased by 56% and wages increased 80.2%.

Various observations that have been made about the huge divergence in price patterns over the last several decades include:

a. The greater (lower) the degree of government involvement in the provision of a good or service the greater (lower) the price increases (decreases) over time, e.g., hospital and medical costs, college tuition, childcare with both large degrees of government funding/regulation and large price increases vs. software, electronics, toys, cars and clothing with both relatively less government funding/regulation and falling prices.
Blue lines = prices subject to free market forces.
Red lines = prices subject to regulatory capture by government. Food and drink is debatable either way.
Conclusion: remind me why socialism is so great again.
b. Prices for manufactured goods (cars, clothing, appliances, furniture, electronic goods, toys) have experienced large price declines over time relative to overall inflation, wages, and prices for services (education, medical care, and childcare).

c. The greater the degree of international competition for tradeable goods, the greater the decline in prices over time, e.g., toys, clothing, TVs, appliances, furniture, footwear, etc..."



 
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Whether you like it or not, healthcare is not a right and it is not free. You cannot socialize the cost of healthcare forever. You will eventually go broke.



Sooner or later a choice will have to be made.



A choice will have to be made between price rationing or death panels.


Don't like that choice? Don't blame me. Reality and nature will insist.





Your stupid post got even more stupid with the death panels bit..


The US lags behind the world in healthcare, except in price.

Regardless of what the fatass in Norco thinks, the ACA is a much better program than the republican plan of fuck you, suffer and die.


List of Countries with Universal Healthcare...as of a few years ago.

Norway 1912 Single Payer
New Zealand 1938 Two Tier
Japan 1938 Single Payer
Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate
Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate
United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer
Kuwait 1950 Single Payer
Sweden 1955 Single Payer
Bahrain 1957 Single Payer
Brunei 1958 Single Payer
Canada 1966 Single Payer
Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier
Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate
United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer
Finland 1972 Single Payer
Slovenia 1972 Single Payer
Denmark 1973 Two-Tier
Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate
France 1974 Two-Tier
Australia 1975 Two Tier
Ireland 1977 Two-Tier
Italy 1978 Single Payer
Portugal 1979 Single Payer
Cyprus 1980 Single Payer
Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate
Spain 1986 Single Payer
South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate
Iceland 1990 Single Payer
Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier
Singapore 1993 Two-Tier
Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate
Israel 1995 Two-Tier
United States 2014? Insurance Mandate
 


There is no such thing as a free lunch.

If people believe it's free they'll consume it until the people paying the bill run out of money.


And just as sure as the sun rises in the morning, the money will run out.

 


Whether you like it or not, healthcare is not a right and it is not free. You cannot socialize the cost of healthcare forever. You will eventually go broke.


Canada hasn't gone broke, and does not appear likely to.
 


There is no such thing as a free lunch.

If people believe it's free they'll consume it until the people paying the bill run out of money.


And just as sure as the sun rises in the morning, the money will run out.


We all pay into the system, we all get something out. Those countries have been doing it for years...


Where does your healthcare come from?
 


There is no such thing as a free lunch.

If people believe it's free they'll consume it until the people paying the bill run out of money.

It's health care. People will consume it until they feel better, then stop.
 


Whether you like it or not, healthcare is not a right and it is not free. You cannot socialize the cost of healthcare forever. You will eventually go broke.



Sooner or later a choice will have to be made.



A choice will have to be made between price rationing or death panels.


Don't like that choice? Don't blame me. Reality and nature will insist.





___________________________


"If something can't go on forever...
it won't."​
-Herb Stein​






Stick to quoting science deniers, graphboi. You'll look less stupid.
 


In one way or another, every one of 'em rations healthcare.


They may not call it that, but it is effectively what happens.



 


In one way or another, every one of 'em rations healthcare.


They may not call it that, but it is effectively what happens.




That's what I thought...You're just another whiny cunt like fatass botanydummy... I got mine, fuck you!!!


What a couple pieces of shit. :rolleyes:
 
We all pay into the system, we all get something out.

If that were true you wouldn't need to engage in wealth redistribution in order to get it....everyone would voluntarily pay in and it would be called insurance.

The reality is you don't like freedom and want the government to go stick a gun to the top 20%'s head to pay for everyone elses bullshit, openly support authoritarian shit head policy at least grow the fuck up and be honest about what it is you support.

That's what I thought...You're just another whiny cunt like fatass botanydummy... I got mine, fuck you!!!


What a couple pieces of shit. :rolleyes:


Desiring freedom from other peoples stupidity and bullshit doesn't make you a piece of shit, it makes you an American.

You wanting to force other peoples problems upon each other collectively is however demonstrably fucking evil...you communist scum bag.
 
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In one way or another, every one of 'em rations healthcare.


They may not call it that, but it is effectively what happens.




So what should the 30% of Americans who have no insurance, and cannot afford it do?
 
The Black Plague era thought the same way about universal healthcare as the thread starter. We should ask them how well that worked out.
 
The Black Plague era thought the same way about universal healthcare as the thread starter. We should ask them how well that worked out.

And if a plague of that scale hit again it would fucking IMPLODE not just every socialized HC system on the planet, nearly all of which are barely holding it together as it is, but probably every modern mixed economy out there too.


Only a complete moron would think otherwise.
 
Our first step toward single payer, Obamacare, resulted in an online enrollment that went on for page after page, crashed frequently, and ended up costing over $1B for just the website.
Big government. Fuck yeah, that's how all the smart people here want our health care dollars spent.
 
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