Well, Trump has finally and overtly committed treason

Why did Russia annex Crimea? The mainstream narrative is much too simplistic.
When you look back in time, Crimea has a very complicated history. Basically neither Ukraine, nor Russia have the upper moral hand, although Crimea was part of to the Russuin Empire for a far longer period of time.

But after the forced relocation of it's majority Tatar and Greek inhabitants and repopulation, Crimea's majority became overwhelmingly ethnically Russian. They opted to join Russia, through the referendum. And Russians have a higher cultural affinity to the region than Ukrainians do (see their writers) .
So while Putin was in no right to annex Crimea, his was a soft coup as opposed to an invasion.

Why did he do it? Opinions vary.
Some say that it was due to Putin's desire to rebuild "The great empire."
Others say that it was because of it's strategic position. Most of the Black Sea ports were already NATO base, NATO's regional arms have been doing lots of posturing prior to 2014. The naval base in Sevastopol would have been Russia's best defense in front of a potential NATO's threat.
Who knows...

So, Russia hasn't sold off lots of WMDs, interfered with the Ukraine, seized Crimea and parts of Georgia through puppets, suppressed the rights of LGBT Russians, coddled the Russian Orthodox Church, silenced Russian dissidents, and helped Assad stay in power? Next you'll try to convince me that Russia's a democracy. :rolleyes:

The only bullshit is Russian propaganda denying their role in such things.


Yes, Russia is both an ongoing threat to the region (as you rightfully pointed out about it's other acts of aggression), and has engaged in espionage and subversive activities against the States and other countries.
But American Mass Media isn't helping by painting things with such a lack of nuance.

I'm baffled by Mass Media's exclusive focus on "The Russians are coming!" instead of focusing on things that are much more threatening to the West (ie China's rise as a superpower, the petro-yuan and so on)
 
Sorry, Severusmax. I didn't intend to hone on you, I agreed with many other things that you said.
I mainly used your post as a trampoline to express my bewilderment with "The Russians are taking over the States!" never ending Mass Media memes. To the exclusion of issues that are just as important.
 
Sorry, Severusmax. I didn't intend to hone on you, I agreed with many other things that you said.
I mainly used your post as a trampoline to express my bewilderment with "The Russians are taking over the States!" never ending Mass Media memes. To the exclusion of issues that are just as important.

I understand about the Chinese and others....but China isn't tampering with our elections. Russia is. That makes it a direct threat to our national security in a way that China isn't.
 
I understand about the Chinese and others....but China isn't tampering with our elections. Russia is. That makes it a direct threat to our national security in a way that China isn't.

Actually, every Nation with the capacity to do so, interferes in the elections of other Nations. The biggest and most dangerous player in this game is Uncle Sam.
Russian tampering in the 2016 election is very very minimal. DeepState interference in the 2016 election is a much more serious and tangible problem. What happened to Bernie Sanders? Was Hillary really given debate questions in advance? What's up with this fake FBI/CIA "dossier"? Russia is not your enemy.
 
I understand about the Chinese and others....but China isn't tampering with our elections. Russia is. That makes it a direct threat to our national security in a way that China isn't.

You sure China isn't fucking with our elections?
Do you think Russia is stealing more intellectual property from us than China?
Do you think the U.S. fucks with elections in other countries?
 
You sure China isn't fucking with our elections?
Do you think Russia is stealing more intellectual property from us than China?
Do you think the U.S. fucks with elections in other countries?

I haven't seen evidence of the former. I know for a fact that the Chinese do intellectual property theft (they even stole some of my Lit stories, in fact), but I don't know of any election fraud. Don't get me wrong. Intellectual property theft is serious. It's just not a direct assault on the integrity and veracity of our national elections.

As for what we do in other countries, I won't go there, because I probably don't know the half of the evil meddling that we do, and probably neither do you. The CIA in particular. This doesn't make Russia any less of our enemy, though, and yes, they are an enemy. They're not an ally or neutral. They're an enemy nation, hostile to the United States.
 
You sure China isn't fucking with our elections?
Do you think Russia is stealing more intellectual property from us than China?
Do you think the U.S. fucks with elections in other countries?

Has China launched a chemical weapon attack on a NATO ally?
 
I haven't seen evidence of the former. I know for a fact that the Chinese do intellectual property theft (they even stole some of my Lit stories, in fact), but I don't know of any election fraud. Don't get me wrong. Intellectual property theft is serious. It's just not a direct assault on the integrity and veracity of our national elections.

As for what we do in other countries, I won't go there, because I probably don't know the half of the evil meddling that we do, and probably neither do you. The CIA in particular. This doesn't make Russia any less of our enemy, though, and yes, they are an enemy. They're not an ally or neutral. They're an enemy nation, hostile to the United States.

dude, your naivete is a danger to yourself, and anyone you opine with. Get to know your CIA. What do you imagine they do all day? Do you know about all the assassinations, of world leaders, that the CIA has engineered? Any idea who shot JFK, MLK, and RFK? Who do you think was a primary enabler in the WTC attacks on 9/11? How did the U.S. get involved in the Vietnam War? Who insisted that Saddam Hussein had WMD? Check into the other America; South America. << literally a playground for CIA fascist interference.
Note that when the USSR collapsed, Uncle Sam immediately created another enemy, Al Queda/Taliban/Isis. Now, with ISIS waning, the DeepState push is to make Russia THE enemy.
I don't blame you for ignorance, but please temper your irrational, unfounded rhetoric about Russia being an enemy. The enemy is US.
 
dude, your naivete is a danger to yourself, and anyone you opine with. Get to know your CIA. What do you imagine they do all day? Do you know about all the assassinations, of world leaders, that the CIA has engineered? Any idea who shot JFK, MLK, and RFK? Who do you think was a primary enabler in the WTC attacks on 9/11? How did the U.S. get involved in the Vietnam War? Who insisted that Saddam Hussein had WMD? Check into the other America; South America. << literally a playground for CIA fascist interference.
Note that when the USSR collapsed, Uncle Sam immediately created another enemy, Al Queda/Taliban/Isis.

Now, with ISIS waning, the DeepState push is to make Russia THE enemy.
I don't blame you for ignorance, but please temper your irrational, unfounded rhetoric about Russia being an enemy. The enemy is US.

lol you're not helping. :D
 
Has China launched a chemical weapon attack on a NATO ally?

Did Russia import African slavery into America and then build warships for and back the the slave states Confederacy against the Union during America's Civil War?
 
Anyone truly interested in what an alien, lawless, and uncaring culture China today is under the Communist Party, and the threat that poses to the US as the CPC increases its foreign expansion to meet its goal of fully replacing the US as the world's political, economic and military power by 2025, should take the time to read and comprehend this first-hand account:

http://www.baldingsworld.com/2018/07/17/balding-out/
 
Did Russia import African slavery into America and then build warships for and back the the slave states Confederacy against the Union during America's Civil War?

Did Norway enforce a tuna embargo and then launch deadly Fjord missiles at our coasts during The War?
You know the answer as well as I do.
 
Our brave President has indeed committed treason; against the globalist DeepState. Thank You. President Trump
 
Time has a tendency to pass and we forget things. In 1996 22 people were convicted of illegal contributions to the DNC campaign of Bill Clinton. The ringleader was a Chinese business man who funneled Chinese government provided funds through cut-outs to donate to the DNC to the tune of 2 million dollars plus. The money itself came straight from the Chinese government, including 300K from the head of Chinese Military Intelligence, with the stated intention of helping Bill Clinton win the election. Fortunately, they were caught and the DNC was forced to return the money.

In the most recent round of elections, Terry McAuliffe got caught accepting 200K from a Chinese company, owned by a delegate from the Chinese government. Additional while Clinton was at State and into the election run up the Clinton Foundation accepted multi-million dollar donations from Chinese nationals and Chinese companies.
 
Time has a tendency to pass and we forget things. In 1996 22 people were convicted of illegal contributions to the DNC campaign of Bill Clinton. The ringleader was a Chinese business man who funneled Chinese government provided funds through cut-outs to donate to the DNC to the tune of 2 million dollars plus. The money itself came straight from the Chinese government, including 300K from the head of Chinese Military Intelligence, with the stated intention of helping Bill Clinton win the election. Fortunately, they were caught and the DNC was forced to return the money.

In the most recent round of elections, Terry McAuliffe got caught accepting 200K from a Chinese company, owned by a delegate from the Chinese government. Additional while Clinton was at State and into the election run up the Clinton Foundation accepted multi-million dollar donations from Chinese nationals and Chinese companies.

This is what happens when we elect ambitious politicians who care only about lining their own pockets with cash. I suppose the one or two that are caught, mask the wide expanse of corruption in our Government.
 
"Deep State"....um, no. Just no. There is no such thing. The CIA goes crazy for sure, but it's still composed of American patriots. The same with the FBI. They can do wrong, but they're still patriots.

There's no such thing as the "Deep State," no matter how many times Alex Jones tells you about one.
 
more nothing, whoopee.

Your conspiracy lunacy is nothing more than a tactic to engage in argumentative discourse. You do not have proof of any of the things you claim. You are what is wrong with America. All you spout is wild conjecture to get a rise out of people. To divide. Again, you are what is wrong with these states United. Go pay homage to your Russian overlords somewhere else.


And put on a fucking shit for christ sake.
 
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