Senate GOP bill defunds Planned Parenthood for one year

[LadyFunkenstein]

The overwhelming vast majority of women do not regret having an abortion. Yes there are some that do. However the government is not and should not be in the business of protecting ourselves from our decisions. Abortion is a life changing decision - it's not "no big deal". But to treat it with kid gloves because of that is equally ridiculous.

Life isn't sanitized.

Abortion regret is a different topic, one I did not address. I only spoke on the affects on society. In fact I would never speak on abortion regret as it is too individual and personal to ever pinpoint.

 

[Que]

Abortions aren't covered by federal funding.

If you want to get into "fungible" (oh fucking christ really) go see funding to Israel and their government funded abortions.

What is covered are things like cancer screenings, annual physical check ups, birth control, UTI's etc. Basic medical services.

But in your judgmentalism you'd deny these basic services because you can't deal with the concept of abortion - something you'll never need.

Where do you read that as me being judgemental?!??

I'm in favor of lots of people having abortions. I simply don't want to pay for any of them with tax dollars and you should have no trouble getting that funded because it's only 3% of their procedures, right? That's far less then they spend on striping the parking lot.

I would contribute generously to a GoFundMe page where recipients for funding of that procedure must demonstrate Democrat, Socialist or Green party affiliation.

If that's not practical I would be willing to fund them in any Precinct where the Democrat received 85% or more of the vote.

I don't think that taxpayers at large should have to pay for my culling preferences.

 

[adrina]

Abortion regret is a different topic, one I did not address. I only spoke on the affects on society.

Ahhh well I can tell you a direct one. Medical costs. That is documented readily. Countries without abortion services spend ridiculous amounts of money making up for the health problems caused by lack of access to abortion. The budget is mainly eaten up by fixing complications from illegal and unsafe abortions.

And women dying because of lack of access to safe and legal abortion. That's a big one too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't really want to do psych 101 with you. Re-read your own words. Hint: It's not really or even just the "wanting everyone to pay for their own shit". Regardless of the factual realities of that statement.

So just your feels then....

 

[adrina]

Where do you read that as me being judgemental?!??

I'm in favor of lots of people having abortions. I simply don't want to pay for any of them with tax dollars and you should have no trouble getting that funded because it's only 3% of their procedures, right? That's far less then they spend on striping the parking lot.

I would contribute generously to a GoFundMe page where recipients for funding of that procedure must demonstrate Democrat, Socialist or Green party affiliation.

If that's not practical I would be willing to fund them in any Precinct where the Democrat received 85% or more of the vote.

I don't think that taxpayers at large should have to pay for my culling preferences.

Hyde Amendment.

Your sarcasm is noted. Thanks for being a swell human being.

 

[adrina]

So just your feels then....

You are such a bitter person.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are such a bitter person.

How do you figure?

 

[adrina]

How do you figure?

How do you not.

 

[Que]

It isn't clear cut at all. It is clear cut when you only examine the data points that support your view. If you examine them all without bias, you may see things differently. For instance, you say "just" as though it is a forgone conclusion that there are no negative effects to having an abortion. There most certainly are. I myself am pro choice and will not change my stance in my lifetime, but I also would like our country to have an honest dialogue about it. We don't. Lefties talk like it is removing a tumor, and righties talk like it is akin to putting a gun against a babies head and pulling the trigger. Both are wrong and do a disservice to women actually contemplating what to do in their situation

^^^ this is reality.

Anyone who does not see it with the above level of clear-eyed acknowlegement about how this topic that SHOULD be considered soberly and individually with all of the angst involvex in the real lives of real people is not worth sincerely engaging.

The "abortion is murder" crowd and the "It is JUST random cells" crowd consist entirely of sociopaths. In both cases, they display no sense of humanity.

I saw a car with two bumper stickers . One of them said "Meat is MURDER!" and the other one said, "MY body, MY choice."

 

[adrina]

How about: I trust the woman with the decision.

 

[BotanyBoy]

How do you not.

I'm not angry, don't hold any grudges and very much enjoy life.

And I don't consider not wanting to be punished for that bitter.

I think people who want to punish me for that, the ones who think they have a RIGHT to my prosperity because they fucked up the bitter ones.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

How about: I trust the woman with the decision.

Why is your particular trust of the decision making process of a woman you don'teven know enough to close this case?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

^^^ this is reality.

Anyone who does not see it with the above level of clear-eyed acknowlegement about how this topic that SHOULD be considered soberly and individually with all of the angst involvex in the real lives of real people is not worth sincerely engaging.

The "abortion is murder" crowd and the "It is JUST random cells" crowd consist entirely of sociopaths. In both cases, they display no sense of humanity.

I saw a car with two bumper stickers . One of them said "Meat is MURDER!" and the other one said, "MY body, MY choice."

Sadly, most people in the US fall into one camp or the other. And or shitty media panders to both sides.depending on which one butters their bread.

Abortion is serious business. There are pros and cons. Let's all stop lying about the cons that shake up our personal world view.

 

[adrina]

Why is your particular trust of the decision making process of a woman you don'teven know enough to close this case?

How is it not? We all tip toe around abortion but it comes down to one thing - us applying our morality to it. Well the person that is actually involved - the woman - is the one who should have the full ability and trust to make that decision. Not some asshat lawmaker that wants to make a doctor tell her lies, or require a three day waiting period, or close down clinics for regulations, or have to read literature telling medical falsehoods, or get a sonogram, or have insurance restrictions or any of the other eight million roadblocks specifically designed to stop a woman from getting an abortion.

If we trusted women with this decision it wouldn't even be up for debate.

 

[Que]

Hyde Amendment.

Your sarcasm is noted. Thanks for being a swell human being.

Why would you think that is sarcasm? I agree with you that many people are highly likely to end up burdens to society. Anything that we can do to reduce societal burdens make sense from an economic and social cohesion and saftey perspective.

Sterilizations should be encouraged, abortions, assisted suicides. Low cost, easily available narcotics would lower life expectancies and help save social security.

 

[adrina]

Why would you think that is sarcasm? I agree with you that many people are highly likely to end up burdens to society. Anything that we can do to reduce societal burdens make sense from an economic and social cohesion and saftey perspective.

Sterilizations should be encouraged, abortions, assisted suicides. Low cost, easily available narcotics would lower life expectancies and help save social security.

Again, sarcasm noted. Thanks for being a swell human being.

 

[Que]

How is it not? We all tip toe around abortion but it comes down to one thing - us applying our morality to it. Well the person that is actually involved - the woman - is the one who should have the full ability and trust to make that decision. Not some asshat lawmaker that wants to make a doctor tell her lies, or require a three day waiting period, or close down clinics for regulations, or have to read literature telling medical falsehoods, or get a sonogram, or have insurance restrictions or any of the other eight million roadblocks specifically designed to stop a woman from getting an abortion.

If we trusted women with this decision it wouldn't even be up for debate.

What does who pays for it have to fo with "trusting women with this decision?"

Who else other than the woman involved is actually making this decision? As far as I know no one in America other than her make that decision. Not her parents, not the father. They can certainly suggest and should certainly be supportive but they can't either insist that she do so or insist that she does not.

Snce they have painted themselves into a corner insisting it's a mere 3% of their procedures, then defunding them may have other effects but it will have absolutely no effect on the availibility of abortions there, or nationally, since they insist that that really isn't why they're there. You've even insisted it in several of your posts here.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Again, sarcasm noted. Thanks for being a swell human being.

Natural selection.

Science is awesome.

 

[Que]

Again, sarcasm noted. Thanks for being a swell human being.

Is there some specific part of my societal-burden-reducing plan you oppose?

 

[adrina]

What does who pays for it have to fo with "trusting women with this decision?"

Who else other than the woman involved is actually making this decision? As far as I know no one in America other than her make that decision. Not her parents, not the father. They can certainly suggest and should certainly be supportive but they can't either insist that she do so or insist that she does not.

Snce they have painted themselves into a corner insisting it's a mere 3% of their provedutes, then defending them will have other effects but it will have absolutely no effect on that since they insist but that really isn't why they're there. You've even insisted it in several of your screeds, here.

Who else is involved? Really? Apparently several state legislatures that have all kinds of roadblocks and restrictions. Again this judgmentalism for something you will never want or never need.

Christ.

Hyde Amendment.

Also, did you know it's restricted by insurance plans for federal employees. Plus in many states it is also not allowed to be covered by insurance.

So one more time about how you are so burdened to be paying for these abortions....?

 

[adrina]

Is there some specific part of my societal-burden-reducing plan you oppose?

For someone that says they are so damn afraid of me and my ideals limiting their freedoms you have awful big of dreams of genocide by ideology.

I find your hypocrisy interesting yet nauseating.

 

[Que]

Who else is involved? Really? Apparently several state legislatures that have all kinds of roadblocks and restrictions. Again this judgmentalism for something you will never want or never need.

Christ.

Hyde Amendment.

Also, did you know it's restricted by insurance plans for federal employees. Plus in many states it is also not allowed to be covered by insurance.

So one more time about how you are so burdened to be paying for these abortions....?

Again, but slower.

What does who pays for it (and taxpayers already don't pay for a dime according to you because of the Hyde Ammendment)...

...have to do with "trusting women to make this decision?

Followup:


Since ZERO federal dollars go towards funding abortion, why would defunding Planned Parenthood affect the funding or availability of abortions?

Why can they not just continue to use the same, abundant, non-Federal dollars to fund abortions the way they do now?

 

[Que]

For someone that says they are so damn afraid of me and my ideals limiting their freedoms you have awful big of dreams of genocide by ideology.

I find your hypocrisy interesting yet nauseating.

Why would I "be afraid" of you or others that share your ideolgies? Generally speaking your side eschews even ownership of firearms and we've seen how well your side can shoot. I should post up that hilarious video of the liberal gun club from my locale. You can see they watched lots of movies before they went to the range.


Detesting your worldview has nothing to do with fear.

 

[BotanyBoy]

For someone that says they are so damn afraid of me and my ideals limiting their freedoms you have awful big of dreams of genocide by ideology.

I find your hypocrisy interesting yet nauseating.

So natural selection is now genocide by ideology?

LMFAO!!!

 

[adrina]

Again, but slower.

What does who pays for it (and taxpayers already don't pay for a dime according to you because of the Hyde Ammendment)...

...have to do with "trusting women to make this decision?

Followup:


Since ZERO federal dollars go towards funding abortion, why would defunding Planned Parenthood affect the funding or availability of abortions?

Why can they not just continue to use the same, abundant, non-Federal dollars to fund abortions the way they do now?

The closing of clinics does. The roadblocks to get them does. The insurance restrictions do. You act like the entire structure of PPH isn't under assault because they happen to perform abortions. Defunding PPH means closing clinics. If one doesn't have the clinic one can't have the abortion now can they.

But that's the goal of the extremists - no abortions. Regardless of the damage it would cause.

Play the mind game. You're really pretty disgusting on this subject. But then a lot of men are. Kinda used to it.