The Donald accuses Barry of wiretapping Trump Tower after the election

[KingOrfeo]

This article should help put things in perspective.

His tweetstorm sent Washington into hysterics, leading to a whiplash of news. Here’s a quick primer on what’s been happening:

1. James Comey, the FBI director, has discredited Trump’s wiretap-related tweets.

Data from the 2016 presidential election may show that the decision by James Comey, the FBI director, to announce that the bureau was revisiting Hillary Clinton’s email server scandal may have cost Democrats that election. Nevertheless, Comey took a stance that appeared to be less favorable to Trump after the president accused former President Barack Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower. On Saturday Comey asked the Justice Department to publicly dispute Trump’s claims, constituting an exceptionally rare break between an FBI director and a president.

2. What is the significance behind Trump’s talking about wiretapping in the first place?

Of course, it doesn’t help that Trump’s tweeting could have disclosed a classified wiretapping program. It’s also worth noting that there are a lot of details which complicate Trump’s narrative of Obama straight-up spying on him during the election. It would almost certainly be illegal for a president to order a wiretap of a politician’s phones. Beyond that, phone calls from inside Trump Tower with foreign agents or caught in foreign surveillance sweeps could have been captured without Obama’s direct involvement.

While it is legal to wiretap American citizens on American soil in connection with criminal investigations or intelligence gathering, it is very difficult for someone to meet that threshold, especially when dealing with a political candidate.

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7. The Trump administration doesn’t seem to have the evidence.

As Stephen F. Hayes of The Weekly Standard explained, it seems likely that people will either believe or disbelieve Trump’s allegations based more on their partisan bias than any objective understanding of the facts — especially since hard facts seem to be in short supply about this case.

“Most of what we’re seeing in the media is the public version of an elaborate game of ‘telephone’ that’s taking place behind the scenes,” Hayes wrote.

One thing that’s clear, though, is Trump is taking a big risk by making these accusations. “The risk is that there’ll be a day of reckoning — perhaps after documents are subpoenaed and testimony demanded — when a Republican Congress embarrasses the White House by saying the president was flat wrong when he accused his predecessor of a crime,” wrote Axios.

And to shed light on the president’s state of mind in the days leading up to his Twitter rants against Obama President Trump, some news outlets have reported that President Trump is furious with how his staff handled the controversy surrounding Attorney General Jeff Sessions in the wake of reports that he had conversations with a Russian ambassador that he had not disclosed.

“Nobody has seen him that upset,” said one source to CNN. Trump was apparently livid about the Sessions coverage not only because it raised further questions about his campaign’s relationship with the Russian government but because it also wound up overshadowing his joint address to Congress in the news. When Sessions recused himself from any investigations into Russia after Trump specifically predicted the attorney general would not, the president again turned his wrath against the staff for what he felt was inadequate protection for Sessions.

 

[Rightguide]

Zipperhead's goto response to everything is ridicule.

He does not engage in discussion; he is too good for that, too smart, too erudite, too omniscient...,



It's why he's on ignore and why he is so fixated on Ish and me just like so many of the other Left-wing trolls who feel that they have no reason to offer an opinion that they may have to defend, instead they denigrate with their mean girl "humor" those whom they feel might actually have lucid, cogent and effective posting styles in order to signal that this is not a real person of education, but a stupid deplorable. They really never truly learn anything in defeat and self-segregation...

Ideological indoctrination is grounded in the arrogant belief of intellectual superiority, that belief in the supremacy of liberal ideology is its defensive bulwark against the truth.

 

[Rightguide]

Where in that does it show any proof that Obama ordered a wire tap?

It doesn't.

But I'm sure posting a link to an article made you feel better.

It would make me feel a lot better if you could explain how they could report the surveillance in January and then say there is no proof today. Did the NYTs lie in January?

 

[Rightguide]

In these debates I'm always the one with the real facts on my side, backed up with cites to reliable sources. You base everything on alternative facts, i.e., falsehoods.



That is a lie, and a damned lie too.



I'm a lot smarter than you, much more honest than you, and almost certainly better than you morally.



As presidents go, he has a remarkably good track record for veracity.

The above is simple testimony to your delusional psychosis.

 

[Parminderjeet]

The trump-a-tears are still up in arms about a baseless tweet coming from a conspiracy theorist and known liar? It's sad how much their hatred towards liberals devours their common sense. At least they are getting a good circle jerk out of it, donnie would like that.

 

[Rightguide]

Zipperhead's goto response to everything is ridicule.

He does not engage in discussion; he is too good for that, too smart, too erudite, too omniscient...,



It's why he's on ignore and why he is so fixated on Ish and me just like so many of the other Left-wing trolls who feel that they have no reason to offer an opinion that they may have to defend, instead they denigrate with their mean girl "humor" those whom they feel might actually have lucid, cogent and effective posting styles in order to signal that this is not a real person of education, but a stupid deplorable. They really never truly learn anything in defeat and self-segregation...

Just heard Rush say: "What if we find out that Obama hacked the election and Hillary still lost."

 

[zipman]

It would make me feel a lot better if you could explain how they could report the surveillance in January and then say there is no proof today. Did the NYTs lie in January?

The simplest explanation (and most probable) is that the US Intelligence agencies had the Russians under surveillance and therefore, anyone in contact with them would have had those communications intercepted.

It certainly isn't any kind of proof that Obama wire tapped Trump as the Idiot in chief has asserted.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

This article should help put things in perspective.

I am not even sure why I am bothering with you copy and paste Queen. But screw it, proving idiots wrong is fun even if they do not see it. Lets just look at point one:

James Comey, the FBI director, has discredited Trump’s wiretap-related tweets

No he didn't. Everything you hear about this comes from a NYT article that only mentions a "high level source says". This is not a fact at all. Given the NYT history of making up sources and posting fake news there is more proof that it isn't true. Add that top the fact that the owner of the NYT lost 16 billion thanks to Trump and only a idiot would take that story at face value.

Fact is there is more proof that there was some kind of surveillance, even though there is no hard proof yet, than the democratic story of Trump working with Russia. A narrative that actually has real proof showing the allegation to be false...

"The FBI has been conducting multiple investigations of alleged connections between Russia and Donald Trump, his presidential campaign or its backers. But none so far have yielded proof of criminal connections between the parties"

From the actual FBI...not some pretend hidden source.

Anyway... have a good day you BB want to be moron

 

[KingOrfeo]

Ideological indoctrination is grounded in the arrogant belief of intellectual superiority . . .

Not necessarily; e.g., religious indoctrination is not. It could be founded in a simple conviction one is right.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Given the NYT history of making up sources and posting fake news . . .

That's a lie.

 

[water505]

You've turned out to be the biggest liar of all. You deny simple facts. Obama is a pathological liar, the history of his 8-year administration is replete with them. Don't try that phony outrage on your superiors. Here's a fact checked list by the WaPo:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-20/obamas-biggest-lies

Like most of his ilk Oreo is incapable of admitting that Barry is a liar. "If you like your plan/doctor" wasn't a lie to him. It was a miscalculation. Or a misunderstanding. Or a misquote.

 

[water505]

The above is simple testimony to your delusional psychosis.

You're being far too kind.

 

[KingOrfeo]

NYT update:

If there was a wiretap order targeting Mr. Trump or his associates, what would that mean?

If it was a criminal wiretap, it would mean that the Justice Department had gathered sufficient evidence to convince a federal judge that someone using the phone number or email address probably committed a serious crime. If it was a national security wiretap, it would mean a federal judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court had a basis to believe the target was probably an agent of a foreign power, like Russia.

Could a judge have approved tapping something at Trump Tower for another reason?

Yes. For example, FISA orders have two parts. After determining that there is probable cause to believe that the target is a foreign agent, a judge also has to approve directing surveillance at a particular “facility,” like a phone line or an email address, that the target is probably using to communicate. So in theory, if there was reason to believe that some other lawful target was communicating from Trump Tower, a judge could have authorized surveillance at a facility there for that reason.

What about the computer server at Trump Tower?

Several news media outlets have reported that investigators last year were puzzled by data transmissions between a computer server at Trump Tower and a computer server associated with a Russian bank. Although Mr. Trump on Twitter talked about his “phones,” in theory a judge might determine that the computer address of the server in the tower was a facility being used by a foreign power, Russia, to communicate, and authorize surveillance of it.

Isn’t there a report about an October surveillance court order involving that server?

Yes. The Breitbart story relied heavily on a Nov. 7 article in a British blog called HeatStreet. It claimed that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court had approved a “warrant” in October in connection with activity between the server and Russian banks. It further stated that “it is thought in the intelligence community” that this purported warrant permitted the collection of emails and other communications of Americans connected to the server investigation, which “thus covers Donald Trump.”

As things stand, there are reasons to be skeptical. HeatStreet had vague sourcing — two “sources with links to the counterintelligence community” — and it does not regularly publish investigative stories about American intelligence or law enforcement operations. To date, reporters for The New York Times with demonstrated sources in that world have been unable to corroborate that the court issued any such order. On Sunday, James Clapper, who was the director of national intelligence until Jan. 20, denied to NBC News that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court had approved monitoring at Trump Tower.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

That's a lie.

Keep telling yourself that Queen. With your IQ it should be pretty easy to fool yourself in to thinking it is true:

NYT:
"His speech also included a promise to throw undocumented immigrants “the hell out of the country” and a recitation of his law-and-order campaign promises."

actual transcripts of said speech:

"We are also going to save countless American lives. As we speak today, immigration offers [officers] are finding the gang members, the drug dealers and the criminal aliens and throwing them the hell out of our country."

 

[SyKoKo]

FAKE NEWS: Same NY Times Reporter Said Trump Team Was Wiretapped In Jan., But Said TRUMP Lacked Evidence of Wiretapping In March. “In January Michael S. Schmidt perpetuated the rumor that team Trump had Russian connections, and to support his point he said that Trump’s people were wiretapped. However when President Trump claimed his people were wiretapped, the same guy, Michael S. Schmidt said there was no evidence. Either the Times editors and Mr. Schmidt are trying to skew the story, or they are all suffering from a form of dementia and have no memory.”

So it seems to work this way:

Press: Leaked transcripts of Trump wiretaps show Trump was being investigated by the Obama administration.

Trump: Obama wiretapped me!

Press: Transcripts? What transcripts?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Keep telling yourself that Queen. With your IQ it should be pretty easy to fool yourself in to thinking it is true:

NYT:
"His speech also included a promise to throw undocumented immigrants “the hell out of the country” and a recitation of his law-and-order campaign promises."

actual transcripts of said speech:

"We are also going to save countless American lives. As we speak today, immigration offers [officers] are finding the gang members, the drug dealers and the criminal aliens and throwing them the hell out of our country."

Fair and honest reporting, since Trump clearly draws no distinction between undocumented immigrants and "criminal aliens."

 

[phrodeau]

"Here's a legitimate, totally factual report from the Washington Post, that I could only find on zerohedge.com."

Ten lies from Obama. Pfft. Trump surpasses that every day before his morning bowel movement.

 

[Rightguide]

The simplest explanation (and most probable) is that the US Intelligence agencies had the Russians under surveillance and therefore, anyone in contact with them would have had those communications intercepted.

It certainly isn't any kind of proof that Obama wire tapped Trump as the Idiot in chief has asserted.

Here's what it would prove if that were true. The conversation of the American citizen would immediately become the subject of "minimalization," the number of people with access to it would be diminished, his identity masked and classified. So we know that a major felony has been committed with the unmasking of Flynn's name and those of others who have been named.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The above is simple testimony to your delusional psychosis.

Predictable, and content-free.

 

[SyKoKo]

Fair and honest reporting, since Trump clearly draws no distinction between undocumented immigrants and "criminal aliens."

undocumented is ILLEGAL

 

[KingOrfeo]

Like most of his ilk Oreo is incapable of admitting that Barry is a liar.

Of course he's a liar, they all are, but Obama ranks higher than most in honesty, and immeasurably higher than Trump. Honesty in politics is is not a pregnant/not-pregnant dichotomy, it's a sliding scale.

 

[SyKoKo]

WikiLeaks: Obama Has History Of Spying On Friends And Rivals, Here’s Our Proof…

https://wikileaks.org/nsa-201602/

 

[water505]

Of course he's a liar, they all are

It must have been someone else in Oreo drag posting under your username who just called someone a liar for saying Obama was a liar.

Get a fucking grip.

 

[water505]

undocumented is ILLEGAL

It all depends on how you define the word "illegal."

The man has totally lost it.

 

[zipman]

It must have been someone else in Oreo drag posting under your username who just called someone a liar for saying Obama was a liar.

Get a fucking grip.

Why don't you post another meaningless link, vette.