The Donald accuses Barry of wiretapping Trump Tower after the election

LOL, are you really going to try and discuss this rationally with a man who wants to give a pathological liar like Trump "the benefit of the doubt?"

I get your point. The conservative element around here has never been high on truth but lately, it seems mostly 4th grade. Gump has been around and isn't stupid but obviously not particularly honest. It was either him or subject myself to the "Socratic Method" with a twist of rope-a-dope.
 
LOL, are you really going to try and discuss this rationally with a man who wants to give a pathological liar like Trump "the benefit of the doubt?"

Whatever Trump lacks in veracity cube that and apply it to President Obama who lied to the American people with a straight face for eight years.
 
Whatever Trump lacks in veracity cube that and apply it to President Obama who lied to the American people with a straight face for eight years.

LOL, Trump has absolutely ZERO credibility. None. Zilch.

The implosion of his administration is coming sooner than I thought.

He is mentally unfit and unstable. :D
 
I think liberals are wrong. They think conservatives are evil. How often do you see leftists criticizing their own?

Very often indeed. If you look at progressive outlets like Salon, RawStory and Alternet, you're sure to see some articles critical of others of the same politics; they're always disagreeing over tactics, if not goals. Right now the hot issue is whether progressives should vote for moderate or conservative Democrats if there's no progressive on the ballot. See this article and this response.
 
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I get your point. The conservative element around here has never been high on truth but lately, it seems mostly 4th grade. Gump has been around and isn't stupid but obviously not particularly honest. It was either him or subject myself to the "Socratic Method" with a twist of rope-a-dope.

I agree. There are two types of conservatives (and I use the term loosely) here.

There's the 4th grade type (the miles and vetteman types) who simply spew whatever insults and talking points they read without even understanding them.

And there are the A_J and Ishmael types who view democrats and liberals as the enemy and will use the most twisted logic imaginable to try and defend or deflect criticism away from their "team."

It's somewhat amusing to poke holes in their logic at times, but it's ultimately a waste of time as they have no integrity whatsoever.

But that line about giving Trump the benefit of the doubt was a real hoot. :D
 
I think it might be working. Clinton news network is opening this morning with it.

No sign of Russians yet.

Maybe they'll infuse them in later with: Russians spied on Obama and informed Radio Host who informed Trump.

Hmmmm.. plot thickens!

CNN actually said Trump made "false allegations."

WTF?????
 
Nice try Gump, but totally non responsive and a poor attempt to deflect. What we are talking about here is the reaction from millions of citizens like me who are organizing to eliminate or marginalize the extreme right wing agenda of Trump, Bannon and Ryan. Again, how is what citizens in opposition to Trump any different from the formation of the Tea Party? We're just following their very successful example. Btw, in America we don't just practice democracy on election day. Have you read the Bill of Rights?

You might as well be standing in the middle of a windstorm trying to grunt out an audible fart. It's over.

Whenever he encounters a reply he does not like, especially one that hits home, it's a deflection.

I discussed that in my answer. The difference is tone, tactics and motivation.
 
I get your point. The conservative element around here has never been high on truth but lately, it seems mostly 4th grade. Gump has been around and isn't stupid but obviously not particularly honest. It was either him or subject myself to the "Socratic Method" with a twist of rope-a-dope.

Show us the lies.
 
Leftists' responses to this news was entirely predictable and not at all unlike their reaction to Clinton losing the election.

It begs the question: how much more bad news and disappointment can they tolerate until they completely go off the deep end?
 
Leftists' responses to this news was entirely predictable and not at all unlike their reaction to Clinton losing the election.

It begs the question: how much more bad news and disappointment can they tolerate until they completely go off the deep end?
Divide the country all you like. It's the first step to conquering.
 
8 years ago the Tea Party formed in opposition to Obama. They were very successful in acquiring political power and electing candidates to congress. They are the deplorable base of the Trump supporters. Why should the opposition to Trump be any different?

Did they hold violent protests? No, they assembled peacefully sang, prayed made a few speeches and cleaned up after themselves when they left.

Did they use the IRS/EPA/FEC on their political enemies? No, those were all used against them by the Deep (Democrat) State and its agencies.

Did they bug Merkel, Israel and possibly Republican Senators? No, that was the Obama Administration.

Did they play by all the rules and do the American thing of winning power by convincing people that government needed to be reformed and that we were Taxed Enough Already? And having won these elections and being sent to Washington to enact the will of their voters, was it not right and proper behavior to do just that? Yes it was.

Now, the same thing has happened for President Trump (as per the guidelines established over in Renard's thread and as per Fro-DOH!'s contention that all Lit posters are part of the Press, I will say Trump from here on out having shown the proper respect) and how has the loyal opposition behaved? Violent protests, name calling (Hitler/NAZI) never ending serious charges, the press and the Deep state are out to destroy him, everything that we would consider to be Banana Republic behavior.

Now, you keep this up, and you keep calling everyone who doesn't agree with you or see the clear and present danger that you think Trump presents all the disparaging things that you can dream up, because that worked so well for you in the last election, but at this point, between you and me, if Trump says he was bugged and the Democrats, the Deep State, the Press and you say it didn't happen...,

:eek:

I'm giving Trump the benefit of the doubt because he was duly elected by the people following all the rules of the Electoral College and breaking all of the Democrat (and Press)-established rules of how a Republican is supposed to behave in the face the outrageous slings and arrows of those who feel that they are the elite and the born to rule class.

Let's examine some other facets and differences. Firstly, talking about truth and how some people don't tell it, The TEA Party was not formed to oppose President Obama, it was formed to peacefully take back the soul of the Republican Party by fly-over conservatives appalled by the lack of spine in the Elites in the Republican Party.

Your movement which you see as the exact same thing (which it is not as I outlined above is expressly being formed to destroy President Trump and nothing else. I say that because they have articulated nothing, whereas The TEA Party did. In short, The TEA Party was about bringing to bear a positive change whereas the current hysteria seeks only to bring out a negative change. They do not wish to reform their Party or examine the roots of their defeat, they want to tear down others in order to be the only choice left, but they aren't offering a single thing other that a mutually assured destruction if that's what it takes.

The TEA Party was a grass-roots movement that was self-funded and pretty much as hoc with little or no real organization. The movement we have now is being funded and directed top-down by ultra-rich international Leftists who are opening training centers, advertising for paid protestors and welcoming of the violent elements of the Left such as the Black Bloc activists. The TEA Party never violently attacked anyone, but your movement does.

I remember the first time The TEA Party was discussed on Lit and I warned all, Republicans, Libertarians, conservatives and independents not to embrace The TEA Party, because I knew how the Democrats would react to it. They would lie about it (as we saw above, it was out to get Obama), they would find it racist, dangerous, subversive, crazy, violent, ill-tempered which is the exact same tactic being employed against Trump.

So yeah, they are organizing to make a political change, but what they are organizing for can be in no way, shape or form be compared to what The TEA Party accomplished before fading away into the shadows of History before the various individuals drifted onto other hopes for the future, like Trump.
 
Whatever Trump lacks in veracity cube that and apply it to President Obama who lied to the American people with a straight face for eight years.

Not even you believe that. You are a damned liar, and perhaps the most shameless damned liar on this board.
 
I agree. There are two types of conservatives (and I use the term loosely) here.

There's the 4th grade type (the miles and vetteman types) who simply spew whatever insults and talking points they read without even understanding them.

And there are the A_J and Ishmael types who view democrats and liberals as the enemy and will use the most twisted logic imaginable to try and defend or deflect criticism away from their "team."

It's somewhat amusing to poke holes in their logic at times, but it's ultimately a waste of time as they have no integrity whatsoever.

But that line about giving Trump the benefit of the doubt was a real hoot. :D

Maybe you should try and poke holes in this NYTs article of Jan.20th:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

Where the NYTs is reporting surveillance on Trump and compare it to their present claims Trump has no proof he's being surveiled.
 
Maybe you should try and poke holes in this NYTs article of Jan.20th:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

Where the NYTs is reporting surveillance on Trump and compare it to their present claims Trump has no proof he's being surveiled.

Zipperhead's goto response to everything is ridicule.

He does not engage in discussion; he is too good for that, too smart, too erudite, too omniscient...,

;)

It's why he's on ignore and why he is so fixated on Ish and me just like so many of the other Left-wing trolls who feel that they have no reason to offer an opinion that they may have to defend, instead they denigrate with their mean girl "humor" those whom they feel might actually have lucid, cogent and effective posting styles in order to signal that this is not a real person of education, but a stupid deplorable. They really never truly learn anything in defeat and self-segregation...
 
You've turned out to be the biggest liar of all. You deny simple facts.

In these debates I'm always the one with the real facts on my side, backed up with cites to reliable sources. You base everything on alternative facts, i.e., falsehoods.

Obama is a pathological liar, the history of his 8-year administration is replete with them.

That is a lie, and a damned lie too.

Don't try that phony outrage on your superiors.

I'm a lot smarter than you, much more honest than you, and almost certainly better than you morally.


As presidents go, he has a remarkably good track record for veracity.
 
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Zipperhead's goto response to everything is ridicule.

He does not engage in discussion; he is too good for that, too smart, too erudite, too omniscient...,

;)

It's why he's on ignore and why he is so fixated on Ish and me just like so many of the other Left-wing trolls who feel that they have no reason to offer an opinion that they may have to defend, instead they denigrate with their mean girl "humor" those whom they feel might actually have lucid, cogent and effective posting styles in order to signal that this is not a real person of education, but a stupid deplorable. They really never truly learn anything in defeat and self-segregation...

LO, did the "mean girl humor" upset the precious snowflake?

Btw, nice ascription. ;)
 
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